Oligo

No need to fight about this. As far as I understood, I managed to relay my point across. That's all that matters.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Mar. 18 2002,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> "when anti-US ppl threw grenades over the weekend, they STFU." Everybody knows the anti-US people are bad, horrible, evil, merciless, incidious, cowardly, immoral, etc. so there really is no need to whine about their breach of human rights. You kind of expect those bad, horrible, evil, merciless, incidious, cowardly, immoral, etc. people to do stuff like that anyhow. So everybody shuts up, but that doesn't mean that those anti-US people aren't punished when captured. "when us bombed a mosque(accidently as i believe), human-right groups criticized." 'Human rights' people whine because U.S. is a supposedly bening entity and thus they shouldn't do stuff like that. Also, nobody is going to get punished for this act, thus whining is necessary to maybe change that. It's simple really. What I think is really funky is when gunmen attack the Indian parliament and it barely gets mentioned in the news. Imagine if the White House was assaulted by gunmen...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 18 2002,09:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well why didn't you say so in the first place?<span id='postcolor'> I really don't know. Because this is what I was talking about all the time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Mar. 18 2002,09:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Interesting. Now that Americans died people take notice. The last time christian churches got targeted there I didn't see any posts about it... Some people died and that is to bad. Whats even worse is that it gets MORE media coverage and becomes MORE important because Americans died. I don't know, but it seems stupid to me. I thought all men were equal...<span id='postcolor'> It's just the way world works, mate. "All men are equal, but some men are more equal than others." -Orwell

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 18 2002,09:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No. I described how real Jews have gotten killed here - for buying coffee at a West Bank restaurant or purchasing fruits and vegetables at an Arab market. About the only words they may have had a chance to say is "please don't". We haven't had any such "stupid Jews" for the last few months fortunately. Like Pavlov's dog, repeating the punishment about a dozen times gets the lesson through.<span id='postcolor'> Sigh. Yes, the situation is very very bad in there. But what I'm talking about is the responsibility of everyone of us to avoid obvious threats to our life or get killed. If such deaths like you described indeed happened (coffee purchasing was enough to provoke a killing), they are actually a fine real life example of what I am talking about: When the first such killing happened, all the sensible people started to avoid doing such things as going to a West Bank coffees shops. When the second and third such incident happened, the slow-headed people started to avoid those places. When the rest of the killings happened, the stupid people started to avoid those places. The killings were sad, unfortunate and wrong. But the last people to get killed that way were also not very sensible. In situations where the reason of death was the action of other people, we tend to forget the responsibility of our own life we all have, like avoiding obvious threats. But if somebody drowns in a flooding river while trying to swim across it, we can only blame the stupidity of the swimmer. Lesson: Stay out of those flooding rivers, enraged mobs and churches in hostile areas. You'll live longer.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 18 2002,09:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, im sure the US staff workers in the church were too buisy screaming about how muslims are all smelly pathetic terrorists to even get around to worshipping..<span id='postcolor'> I was giving an extreme example so that you'd get my point, because you failed to get it from the first post. I mean, come on! If you were a pissed off muslim extremist wanting blood, what would you attack? I'll tell you that an unguarded church sounds very juicy, since you get to attack the people you have targeted AND their religion. So avoiding churches in Pakistan seems like a good survival tip to me.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 18 2002,09:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> "Isn't it amazing folks? Now I would have thought that the comparison would have been a Jew simply walking into a Shechem and Nablus,asking where he can buy a good cup of coffee. But no! Obviously a Jew couldn't refrain him/herself from calling them scum." It was a freaking example. I wasn't making any political statements whether jews are calling palestinians scum or not. I was just describing a sure way to get yourself killed... sheesh! I was describing how a REALLY STUPID, hypothetical jew would act. I could have given other examples also, like a white guy going to Harlem and yelling: "White Power" on the streets. Or some Londoner parading in some volatile Northern Ireland city yelling: "Those IRA blokes are a bunch of wankers." My examples were extreme just to get my point across. Like, mellow out people...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 18 2002,08:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> "oh so americans shoudlent expect to be able to go to church without fearing death unless they are in america.. thats nice.." I wasn't saying that. I was saying americans (or people of any nationality to that matter) shouldn't go to churches at the moment in places like Pakistan, Afganistan and such. That's just making yourself a target. "yea, they are innocent, they are just people doing a job to support their family.. but of someone kills them its THEIR fault? they shouldent be there.." And I wasn't talking about any FAULTS either. Just that making yourself an easy target is an easy way of getting yourself killed. So the people in the church were indeed as innocent as any average person is. The people who threw grenades into the church were BAD. It was a little stupid to go into a church in Pakistan. An example: An israeli jew walks alone into the palestinian areas in West Bank and shouts: "You palestinians are just scum. You should all be killed." Promptly some pissed palestinians beat the jew to death. Was it wrong to kill the jew? Yes. Was the jew stupid for doing what he did? Yes. "people preach and piss and moan about how the al-queda prisoners need their koran, their cold gotorade, thier prayer mats, and their spritual leader.. but if innocent americans get killed overseas.. thats their problem, they shouldent have gone to chruch." I wasn't saying any of this. See above.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 18 2002,01:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hmm.. interesting posts.. Â terrorists toss grenades into a church and kill a woman and her daughter as well as others.. and you say "well thats what the US gets".. and point out every bad thing the US has ever done EVER.. as some sort of excuse for them.. like it was justified..<span id='postcolor'> Well, I think you have to be really fucking stupid to go into a church in Pakistan. Doesn't much differ from going out into the fields with a big sign saying 'I'm U.S. so target me'. Mebbe they should have just stayed in their guarded embassy, especially when the natives don't much LOVE the U.S. at the moment. After all the shit U.S. has pulled recently, however justified (and I'm not saying it's not), the extremist muslims are bound to be a little pissed at the moment. So no point in making yourself an easy target.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 17 2002,10:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Has anyone ever thought about why the Mossad had to do any of this in the first place? Why not simply tip off the local authorities?<span id='postcolor'> Because the local authorities need a little more evidence than just a tip from Mossad? Maybe the local authorities respect the local law like that?

Stumbled on this funny story: Check it out! Those guys are really good in satire.

Aww... This is really anticlimatic, but this might work or not: I don't really care. Have a nice one.

GwzRk... Too much effort. Somebody set me up the bomb. For great justice.

So this Angelfire thingy actually detects it is ME viewing these pages and displays the image as it should be, but displays some crap logo for everybody else? That's quite screwed. Guess nobody is going to see the picture then. Oh, what the fucking ever...

What the fuck? I have loads of effort to post a picture and the crap doesn't show it to anybody but me.... So how DO you post a picture in this forum?

What you say?

Too bad those Onion people forgot to complete the still picture from Gulf War II, The Vengeance: Angelfire sucks, OK?

Couple of hours of work to do still. Then I'm off to run for half an hour. After that I have to sit in a train for two hours. But then I get to drink beer. I'd say eight hours to go, before I'm totally drunk.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 15 2002,09:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ive tried creatine.. I didnt find it too effective.. I tried it 20 min before, 20 min after.. and over 2 months it didnt show any increased.. anything... Â I prefer xenadrine and or ripped force.. gives ya tons of energy to lift more weight, run more.. etc etc.. build more muscle.. but make sure ya dont have any heart problems.. because it tweaks ya out pretty good..<span id='postcolor'> Oh, yeez. Xanadrine a.k.a. Ripped Force a.k.a. Thermadrine is a real number. This stuff has almost every legal stimulant on the market: -Ephedrine which is a stimulant found in herbal extacy. Has caused several deaths BTW. -Guarana Extract to give you more kick -Caffeine to kick you even further -Aspirin to mask any pain Whoa. I remember you complained about insomnia a while back. Stuffing that much stimulants into your system, I'm surprised you can EVER sleep. Oh, yeah. Forgot to mention this: These capsules contain NO energy whatsoever. All this stuff, it's just stimulants.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gorgi Knootewoot @ Mar. 15 2002,09:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> "Those people where hard workers. I work on a lab, and that is not very tough work. The heaviest thing i lift here are probably the lab animals i work with." I think it's a quite nice thing to work in a lab, because you have to walk around for the whole day. I mean, you have to go to this instrument and to that instrument and fetch this from the storage room. I feel sorry for the people who just sit on their ass in front of a computer whole day. It is however true that there isn't much heavy lifting involved. "The people with muscular body's are mostly people with shitty jobs, like people who make streets, building dam's and other heavy things. With this heavy work, they also eat more. If they don't, they won't get much muscles. But if they do, they also grow fast. My father is a carpenter and also makes roofs, builds houses and he eats like a pig. He gots huge muscles without sport and eating supplements. My uncle does the smame work, but doesn't eat much. He is a skinny guy and looks like a gnome." Gaining muscles is also a genetic thing. Your father probably has genes, which push him towards muscular development. I don't know, but your uncle on the other hand might have genes that press him towards endurance development. Building huge muscle mass is not good endurance-wise. During my treks in the nice wilderness areas we have up north, I have stumbled upon lot of quite old people who look like gnomes and are very skinny. But those people can do 40 kilometers a day with a backpack in a countryside devoid of any paths. That's endurance. Man I wish I had such stamina.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gorgi Knootewoot @ Mar. 15 2002,08:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Trust me, i've been doing it quit some time and have seen bodybuilders grow or not grow, depending on their diet.<span id='postcolor'> You have to remember that people have been like brick walls long before somebody came up with the idea of stuffing us full of diet 'supplements'. So you really don't need anything except normal food, suitable genes and a lot of exercise to put up muscle mass. But if you WANT to pay up, I'm not going to stop you. I hope that the kidney damage part isn't true.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gorgi Knootewoot @ Mar. 15 2002,08:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are right about that. But it is hardly to believe that a man was raped by an ape. Â <span id='postcolor'> Correct. I didn't mean it LITERALLY reversed.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gorgi Knootewoot @ Mar. 15 2002,08:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Using creatine while a train makes them want more proteins in order to grow. I eat chicken or fish every last meal (at 18: 00), but i don't want to eat it every part of the day. A human body can absorb 20 gram of protein (or amino-acids) in two hours. So eating meat every two hours is not what i want. So that's why i use the pills and the eXplode. And the creatine i am going to use is, just what u say, to have a little more energy. My muscles will demand the proteins in order to grow a little, which i will give them direct after the training in fluid form (the eXplode).<span id='postcolor'> Creatine doesn't make your muscles want more protein. Creatine is an energy storage molecule. When you exert, your muscles eat up the supply of ATP in the muscle very quickly. Meanwhile, the muscles are stripping energy stored in creatine and thus making more ATP. When loaded creatine runs out, the muscles have to turn to glycogen and in the end, to fat for more energy. If you want to charge the creatine in muscle with energy, you eat sugar, not protein. And you don't have to eat meat every two hours either. Human body absorbs 10 gram of protein every hour, but when you eat a good steak, it doesn't come flying out of your rear end right away. It stays in your intestine for hours if not days, so your body can suck in the amino acids, 10 grams per every hour. So, eat meat during meals for aminos. Eat creatine, if you want to have a little more punch, while risking kidney damage.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gorgi Knootewoot @ Mar. 15 2002,07:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually not. Apes have a different AIDS virus, called SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus). Also very aggresive, but those damn apes won't use condoms  <span id='postcolor'> Yep. But what I was pointing out is that if some weirdo with HIV screwed an ape, he might transmit his HIV to an ape. In there, the virus might succeed in proliferating, since the environments are so similar, thus being called a SIV after that. Hell, this is the way humans got HIV, only reversed: Inter-species transmission of viruses. HIV and SIV are genetically almost identical. You could call them different strains of the same virus.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Gorgi Knootewoot @ Mar. 15 2002,07:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is called "Creatine". And yes, it is not harmfull and it works quite well. I myself have never used it, because it is very expensive and i am a student  I suggest one would use "Amino-eXplode" and "Amino-pills" at first. They are a lot cheaper, not harmfull and perfect for beginners to build up a little body first. Then i would try "Creatine" to build up a lot of mass. I think 1 kilo of this stuff is about $70 (70 euro's). But you have to eat so much of this stuff to gain effect, it is empty within a month.<span id='postcolor'> Creatine is the second step energy storage molecule of human muscle. Bodybuilders eat it raw, because it is believed it increases the amount of energy available for a muscle in a fast exertion. So basicly eating it would enable you to rapidly pump weights for a slightly longer amount of time. Some people also claim it increases the rate of muscle healing after exertion, but there is little evidence to support this. Thus eating creatine does not directly help you build up muscle mass, it just let's you do a couple more lifts with the weights. However, if you believe it works for you, eating it can have a placebo effect and thus make you THINK you are doing better. Some studies suggest eating creatine can cause kidney damage. Amino-pills basicly contain amino acids (which make up proteins) that your muscles need in order to grow. However, normal western diet has quite a bunch of amino acids as it is. If you believe Amino-pills work for you, eating them can have a placebo effect and thus make you THINK you are doing better. But if you don't want to put your money on crap, eat more meat to get more amino acids (meat = mostly muscle = lots of proteins = lots of amino acids). Meat tastes better and is cheaper than the pills. You don't have to believe me, but I do have a M.Sc. in biochemistry and what's more, my colleague is a weight lifter with a M.Sc. in biochemistry and you can bet that he has really read up on this issue. Cheers.