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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ Feb. 08 2002,05:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sadly that would require an engine change. currently the maps cannot have polys under eachother, ie the landscape is created by vertical displacement.<span id='postcolor'> That is true of the landscape itself, but objects can be placed on top, such as houses. It seems like it would be possible to make bridges or even caves by using non-landscape objects, altough the performance might be very bad.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Feb. 07 2002,15:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">23 wipes is a lot of toilet paper, they would probaley back up the toilet<span id='postcolor'> You could flush after every 5 wipes or so to avoid clogging the toilet.

One thing I've always wondered is how do blind people know when they've wiped enough?

I just went to check for changes to the IL website, and it seems like all there is now is a single page with an ad-like picture showing the newspaper and some screen shots. How long has it been like this? Did they make a mistake in releasing more earlier?

Here's the picture, so you don't have to go to the other forum...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @ Feb. 01 2002,20:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think there was once lots of plant life on the planet...what happened to it who knows.......<span id='postcolor'> I bet it died.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @ Feb. 05 2002,06:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That fuckin sucks for the cheater.....cheating is nothing more than entertainment.....so many people don't realize that......<span id='postcolor'> Spoken like a true cheater.

here it is

Maybe you should have thought twice before you made those comments about placebo's mother

Maybe you should have thought twice before you made those comments about placebo's mother

Is the forum slow and/or unavailable very often for many other people here? Half the time whne I try to connect I just get an error, or the top banner stuff will load, but no topic or forums will come up (The browser just keeps trying to load forever.) BIS really needs to add bandwidth. Am I right?

First of all, I want to apologize if this poll is too graphic. I don't mean to be vulgar, I'm just interested. I had always subconsciously assumed that everyone does it the same way I do, but that may not be true. Also, anyone know how blind people know when they have wiped enough?

It's about time we had this poll. I would have done it myself, but I'm too lazy

LSTs shouldn't sink when a helecopter lands on it. Makes the landing pad pretty useless. Also, helecopters shouldn't be able to survive sinking under the water and just fly out again.

Enemies should not be able to enter an armored vehicle with open spots (if turned in anyway.) Several times I've stolen a tank as a Black Op and start blasting stuff as a gunner. The driver for the tank will come running over, hop in, and start driving around. Either he should not be able to get in, or there should be a fight in the tank (ie, one of us dies or something).

Rogue: I posted some responces to your evedence back on page 1. Do you have any responce? Am I wrong? I am truely interested in having as much of a real discussion as possible, not just a flame war (judging from the way you're getting so pissed, I don't know if this is possible.) Got anything else to say?

oops, forgot this: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">people standing in big shadows you shouldn't be able to see yet you could see them in very clear detail<span id='postcolor'> Why shouldn't you see someone standing in a shadow? You don't need direct sunlight to be illuniated. Light will bounce off the ground and illumiate someone in a shadow, just like it does on earth. The atmosphere isn't the only reason you can see someone standing in a shadow during the day on earth.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rogue2020 @ Jan. 23 2002,15:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there wasn't a single star in any photo.<span id='postcolor'> There aren't stars in pictures of earth taken from orbit either. Too big a difference between the brightness of sunlight on the surface and the starlight. I guess I can't comment on pictures I don't have in front of me. What about the mirrors left behind on the surface? Are you saying that no manned mission has gone and these were left by unmanned landers? There is certainly no doubt that there are mirrors on the moon that can be used to measure the speed of light etc.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Oligo @ Jan. 22 2002,09:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If we assume that God created us, naturally it is responsible for us and for what we do. "Free will" is just an illusion, since God created each of us to be like we are. Thus it is God who should be judged for our sins, not us who are just made to be what we are. You have to remember that an omnipotent God does not make mistakes and controls EVERYTHING (hence omnipotent), so it must have intentionally made us so that we would sin. <span id='postcolor'> The idea is that in creating being with free will God gave up a little bit of His control of everything and gave us the power to control ourselves. He intentionally made us so we could sin. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any talks about "a great plan" (which would explain why God doesn't save everybody all the time) are just bogus, since if that plan involved some babies dying in horrible pain, God would be evil. A good and omnipotent God could make plans that didn't include babies dying in horrible pain, since EVERYTHING is possible for it. Thus when making plans, God doesn’t care what happens to us. <span id='postcolor'> God certainly doesn't have any plans involving death, destruction and pain. Because we have free will, many things happen that God wishes didn't happen (this is the definition of sin). </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For helping victims of natural disasters (caused by God not giving a damn that people die needlessly) we don't need God. We just need to work together. Eve ate the fruit, because God made her so that she would. It was Gods sin. <span id='postcolor'> This is just my point. We can reduce pain and suffering, but we don't. This is our fault, not God's. Eve (and Adam too for that matter) ate the fruit because she chose to (see above). </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A just-born baby absolutely has not sinned yet. Still some of them die. And the bible is filled with examples of people getting more than they deserve (like Job and the pharaoh and people of Egypt). <span id='postcolor'> Job had sinned in his life so a perfect; righteous God could have rightly killed him for it (rebellion against God surely deserves death, in fact that is why Jesus die for us). God was very merciful with the Egyptians. He gave Pharaoh chance after chance to do the right thing. Pharaoh basically told God F-you 9 times before he really got it. (And even then he didn't get it.)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ Jan. 21 2002,17:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why not? He would still be the supreme most powerful being in the universe, no? <span id='postcolor'> The most powerful being in the universe isn't what we need in a "God." A very powerful being would just be like Q in Star Trek, not our creator with a say in how we live our lives and how we spend eternity. It would not be a source of ethics or be outside our physical existence. It would just be another physical being like us. Who needs a God like that? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Let's see, what exactly do you know about "God" that isn't conjecture, fantasy, wishful thinking?? <span id='postcolor'> I know he sent his Son to earth to die for our sins and save us from ourselves. This is a historical fact. An analysis of the historical facts, documents and archeology proves this much more firmly than almost anything else the same period of history. (The life of Julius Caesar for example) </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There's nothing logic about it, there's only instant superficial security since you can explain everything you don't understand as being "the will of God" or "God works in mysterious ways". <span id='postcolor'> I don't recall ever saying this... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's ok if you call the Big Bang illogical, just don't the concept of "God" logical. <span id='postcolor'> I didn't say the big band is illogical, just that it is illogical to say everything exploded from nothing for no reason at all. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> say the universe is an infinitely more fantastic place, without the idea of a god. It makes everything so much more precious...<span id='postcolor'> I'd see it as just the opposite. If there is no God, all of life is meaningless. There is no thing as right or wrong, there is no goal in life except to be as happy as possible, as much as possible. In the end you're just going to die so what does it matter anyway?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Thehamster @ Jan. 21 2002,15:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey I think the universe was a total fluke in happening.<span id='postcolor'> Ok, you're entitled to your opinion, that just takes too big a leap of faith for me . </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if there were a creator god why would he bother creating a universe... for fun? Was he board?<span id='postcolor'> He wanted someone to have a relationship with. To love and be loved essentially. This is why we have free will, and live in a world where it is possible to ignore God. Love is meaningless unless there is the possibility of hate. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How would know the concept of a universe if one did not exist?<span id='postcolor'> It seems that He has a good imagination </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do we not know this only one of many Universes each one eventually dying out and new one being created from each one as we go along this could be the billionth universe in the process for all we know.<span id='postcolor'> No one is saying this isn't possible. Almost any scenario you can come up with is possible. The question is what is most likely. God is certainly more likely

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What you all fail to see is the fact that it does not make any difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not: According to general moral rules, you are responsible for what you do. Now if you look at the world, good and bad things seem to happen to everybody, including the innocent (f. ex. babies), without any particular bias. Thus if you assume that God still affects the world (and hasn't for example gone for a vacation), you must make the conclusion that this hypothetical omnipotent God is not good nor is it evil. Since God is not good or evil, the actions it takes can be considered to be totally random from the perspective of humans. Incidentally, if God did not exist, things would also be totally random. Thus, it makes no difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not. If believing in God helps you to be happier in life, believe away. If you are miserable because you believe in God, denounce the bastard. <span id='postcolor'> If God (at least the God of Christianity) does exist, it surely matters more than anything else because it means that how you live your life now determines how you will spend eternity. The fact that God doesn't stop bad things from happening to good people doesn't prove that He doesn't care or that He doesn't have a stance on good and evil. This could be the case, but it also could be that He has some reason not to save everyone all the time. God gave everyone free will to do as they please. That means it is not God's fault that we screw up all the time. All human suffering is a result of human sin. What about natural disasters? Almost all victims of natural disasters would be saved if we did a good job of distributing resources and helping each other. Earthquakes and such will always cause death and destruction, but even this would be different if humans had never fallen (Eve eating the fruit etc.) In the end the problem "bad things happening to good people" is sort of a false problem anyway. There are no "good" people. Perhaps with the exception of small children, everyone has sinned and screwed up. No one ever gets more than they "deserve." Theologically this issue is very well studied, and although it is hard to understand on an emotional level (who doesn't think "Why me?" when something bad happens) it isn't a problem for the existence of God.

I think the empire would have trouble dealing with transporter technology. Warp in, beam photon torpedo into power core (or better yet, blob of anti-matter), warp away... etc.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Damage Inc @ Jan. 21 2002,12:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe that the Big Bang created God.<span id='postcolor'> Then your "God" probably isn't worthy of the title "God"

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Thehamster @ Jan. 21 2002,11:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeha but where the hell did god come from if nothing existed before god told it too. God could not exist if there was nothing there for god to exist from.<span id='postcolor'> It all comes down to the fact that "something" has to be the original "thing" that has always existed and is the supreme cause for everything, probably the cause of time itself, so the question "what was before it" or "what caused it" don't make sense. Two good candidates for this are God, and the Universe itself. Now our best sience tells us that the universe had a beginning (big bang etc.) so it seems to not be an eteral cause of everything. Something must have caused it. Sientific study of this universe cannot tell us about causes before the universe, so there could be causes totaly unknown and unknowable to us. Or you could say that the universe just popped into existance with no cause, which is illogical, or you have God. God seems to me to be the best choice, as it is not illogical, and it is something we can know something about. Clearly this is on proof, but it seems to be to take the smallest leap of faith, especially because our modern picture of the universe appearing out of nother in a big bang is just what you might expect from God creating the universe. (In fact many sientists were unconfortable with the big bang, or regected it for this very reason when it was first suggested)