KillorLive

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from animalica on 5:02 am on Dec. 28, 2001 I tried the Tribes2 demo out today ( ftp://sierra.de/tribes2/demos/t2demo.exe - 80 MB) and I must say that the maps dont look so big like in OFP - maybe 1 squaremile. It`s very foggy and the landscape has many steep hills and deep valleys so you can´t look that far. The built in server list was an 700 Mhz PC (Mhz`s are displayed in the list) and there were approximately 25-30 players playing. I got an 1,4 GHZ, 512 MB ram PC with an 64 MB graphics card and ADSL connection and it was an fluid gameplay. If there would be such an landscape in OFP and such an bad weather I bet that OFP would be also much more fluid in gameplay. Or move the Tribes2 vehicles and many players to an OFP landscape and it will lag too. (Edited by animalica at 5:04 am on Dec. 28, 2001) <span id='postcolor'> That's just the demo. There are many MANY huge maps. The map never ends, in essense you can run forever. Though the playable area in most maps is about 5-10 clicks. Vehical based maps 40. [edit] Tribes 2 is CTF (usually), and besides air/armor battles you usually don't see more than 20-30 people defending an objective, if that. (Edited by KillorLive at 6:09 pm on Dec. 28, 2001)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Rogue2020 on 7:24 pm on Dec. 27, 2001 Well what about all those people who don't know anyone else that has the game....connecting to someones IP is bulls**t.......it's true though that this game would lag because of everything in it....i'm just used to playing swat 3....that game has great multiplayer and there are always at least 50 people there wanting to play all the time....... <span id='postcolor'> Huh. I took "KillorLive's T-3 fun- LPB's!" down a few months ago since it had jack for hits and was a total waste of my connection.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from supah on 11:02 pm on Dec. 23, 2001 That is probably due to the previewer being a bit ignorant about military aircraft. The russian IRL have never used the A-10 nor will they. The only one to field them is the US Airforce. Nowadays allot of them seem to be getting put in the boneyard at davis- montisham or someplace like that in the desert. <span id='postcolor'> They're phasing them out. Sadly it's the ignorant pen pushers. That's the best d*amn aircraft (for it's quotta). NOTHING performs better at killin' tanks than the A-10, except maybe the Commanche that's comming in '06.... Most A-10's are being run until they screw up, then they're stripped and buried with whatever metal is left. Kind of like all tracked APC's.

Huh. Weird, it seems that AI also runs infront of your weapon when you have a weapon firing, and it turns out YOUR fault. Must be a bug. Also, shooting in the mud after a while seems to KILL you. Wonder what ass they pulled that out of... Yes I know they're not bugs, I'm pointing out the irony, idiot.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from OBiJuan on 6:40 pm on Dec. 21, 2001 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from **** * on 8:30 am on Dec. 21, 2001 Obijuan, you give up too easily. You sound inteligent. Y not contribute a little more here? <span id='postcolor'> I will no longer participate because YOU refuse to accept any other opinion as valid. Â You've labelled my arguments illegal, harmful, etc, so there is no room for discussion with you on this topic, am I not right? A debate is a consideration of other points of view and to challenge those points of view with questions/facts/etc. Â But for you, there is no middle ground. Â Hitting your kids is illegal, harmful, etc. Â Any variation from that is not valid in your view. My position is simple: It's OK to spank your kids as long as: 1. Â You are in control. 2. Â YOu are not upset when you do it. 3. Â They are under your care. Now in your latest post, you threw in "sexual abuse." Â Geez. The only thing I called you was a liberal and you got a bit defensive. Â Do you consider yourself a conservative? You've also alleged that I don't allow for other points of view, but you've proven that that is actually YOUR problem. I would wish you a Merry Christmas, but that would probably offend your "open-minded" liberal zealotry. Good lord. <span id='postcolor'> Thank you. I cannot stand this guy anymore. "It" is a bullheaded liberal, and ignorant to boot. "It" think's that you need age to be intelligent, and that kids being spanked are automatically sexually, AND physically, AND emotionally abused. "It" is on ignore for me, and I suggest that alot of you put "it" on ignore since "it" will just ignore you and ramble on about the abuse and that "it" is right. I don't mind an argument, and I don't even mind losing, but with someone whom WANTS to argue his point YET remains stead fast no matter what, even after several virtual disclaimers have been shown to him AND explained. I don't argue with that, period. (Edited by KillorLive at 3:34 pm on Dec. 27, 2001)

Contradiction? Bulls**t. Having a rifle has nothing to do with being civilized. "I know you think you're protecting your child when you hit them, but it is becoming proven more and more that this kind of discipline is not effective, nor does it raise a healthy child. " Hitting? I thought we explained that. Bad moron! BAD! About me being immature, I'm 15, lemme alone, or something. About politics, I don't care about politics or alot of recent events because quite frankly I could give a s**t. Politics nowadays are all about who got the latest scandal where. Â About your opinion of kids, they need that extreme every once in a while, teaching them warm water is bad isn't going to work, telling them no just makes them MORE curious. If they don't learn to trust your word they're going to get worse, but like I said, go ahead and have prom queens. "I urge you to put a bit more effort into your study methods, and you will find that any form of abuse is illegal, and abuse can, for the extreme part, be put down to a simple brush of the hand. That can be interpreted as sexual abuse. You do know this, no?" No, I don't. You're a moron. It takes atleast 3 occasions of emotional abuse and one account of physical abuse (that is credible) for a sexual abuse warrant for arrest can be sent out. Learn US law before you try to act "grown up", no? A brush of the hand is a brush of a hand, only cruel people would call that physical abuse, but, since we're talking about you, I guess that already qualifies you. I call a spade a spade, you, of course, are just a shell of a man, and shall remain so with your opinions. I leave you to whatever you do at work, but it is sad that you will raise kids in such a manner. Ahh well, c'est la vie. People are people, and ignorant as they may be, there are always those that surprise me. This is one of those cases.... (Edited by KillorLive at 9:06 am on Dec. 21, 2001)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from CanisDEK on 3:36 am on Dec. 21, 2001 Blind death... he might only be 14 and he might be british... but his post sure did show more wit that yours. There is no reason for him to feel stupid... he has to grow up first. It is when you become an adult, thinking you know all and that kids are just stupid you have a reason to worry. <span id='postcolor'> He needs the extra support. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny just jumped his ass last week, and he still hasn't stopped crying. 15 years old + the only thing "wrong" with "us" compared to "adults" growing wise is that we're emotionally unstable, you may have a 6 year long girlfriend, then you find out you don't like her (it's all very normal), and the idiotic ones are out of touch with reality (I'm going to be a president one day! WOOHOO!) Other than that we're perfectly functioning humans. But, of course, our brain doesn't have all that much experience and more oft than not we show ignorance/immaturity, probably both, all the time. Basically, we're not fully emotionally built, nor physically (in some cases, I'm 6-2 230lbs, but still expected to grow another 3-8 inches).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from timmy on 7:47 am on Dec. 21, 2001 have any of yall played the medal of honar allied assault demo? the sound is by far the best part of it. and its made by EA. <span id='postcolor'> I have the full game, I might buy it later when it's out. Thank god for Kazaa.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 3:38 am on Dec. 21, 2001 OK. KillorLive. I haven't stated your name for a long time. Even so, just make me. And have something worth sayin if you're gonna continue with the argument. And I don't remember you tellin me to leave you alone anywayz. M not really takin notice of who I'm postin to, just replying to all the ignoramouses out there. (btw. I know that ignouramous is probably spelt incorrectly. I don't care.) Obijuan. Yes. Respect for other ppls property. Like their own person. Maybe I got a bit carried away, but often simply spanking when it's common practice turns into much more than spanking. ie. the bigger the bad, the bigger the punishment. The bigger the kid, the bigger the bad. Yes. Teaching them the consequences of what they do wrong. The consequences for scratching a cd aren't meant to be that you'll get a branded ass. The cd doesn't work and a new one has to paid for with money. And yes. Choice. But not when it conflicts with rights, and/or has such a negative effect. ie. Teaching ppl it's ok to hit. Btw. Hitting is hitting. You DON'T have the right to hit anyone in any way. That IS abuse. Physical punishment IS abuse and IS illegal. Ask a lawyer. KillorLive. Ask your parents. And also, I said only the adults now. So that was definitely not directed at you KillorLive. Legal adult = 18+. In my opinion, for most, adult = 20/21+. <span id='postcolor'> Amos give up while you can. This is for Troubleshooting moron. Let's get back on track or CLOSE THIS GODd*amn TOPIC. You, amos, are losing, saying that you can't spank one because it's so drastically hurting them physically and emotionally, scarring them for life and lawyers (*shudder*) get involved. I suggest you shutup before you say something REALLY stupid. Spanking someone does NOT kill them, it DOES hurt them, it is NOT illegal, lawyers ARE evil, you ARE a liberal, you NEED help, your opinions ARE s**tty. It's to teach them a lesson, if you want your boys to be prom queens that's your affair, but I'd rather give them a spanking if they do something wrong, at 2-3 they're not sentient enough to think straight, all they remember is subconcious and physical. Only at 4-5 do kids really start remembering certain conversations, events, etc. etc. All kids deserve to be spanked, even if only once, to teach them who's boss, and if they f**k up they're getting punished, taking Pokemon away for a week doesn't teach them anything, except to despise you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Alaskan on 10:01 pm on Dec. 20, 2001 Well here is my opinion on this matter.. my little girl is 3 i have taught her to take my cd out and and put in hers. She trys really hard to do this and to put my cd in its jewl case. But she is only three.. For all those who punish there kids for trying to learn then shame on you if my cd gets ruined cause my little girls beats me to cpu then its my fault i shoulda taken cd out and put it into its case.. My cpu is for my family to use...not just for dady to boss hog cpu try teaching the kids how to use cpu and cd's it will only increase the learning curb guys <span id='postcolor'> Now, to make me sound smart, or something, a CPU doesn't have a cd. You can not beat someone to the CPU. It's a part, a computer, however, usually has a CD-ROM drive, and that's where the CD for Operation Flashpoint, or Barbie, goes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 10:17 am on Dec. 20, 2001 Aaah. So no one is trying to contradict me anymore? Just picking on my non existant spelling mistakes. Ok. You try to prove to me that hitting, HITTING your children is ok. Acceptable behaviour from an adult. Now only the adults speaking plz. <span id='postcolor'> Amos, f**k off. I told you not to talk to me, this is the second warning. f**k off is required here obviously since "leave me alone" doesn't work.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from OBiJuan on 10:45 pm on Dec. 20, 2001 Look, let's stick to the facts here. Â amos is going off because someone suggested that it's OK to discipline kids using physical punishment. Â Here is the quote from the original poster: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Paco1 on 2:08 am on Dec. 7, 2001 I have it installed, thats no problem. I play alot in the evening but during the day my kids play on the pc. If you have kids you know that Cd's don't last long when they handle them! <span id='postcolor'> This does not sound like your little girl at all. Â It sounds like kids who don't appreciate how to handle CDs. It's not about "punishing kids for trying to learn." Â It's about teaching them discipline and respect for other people's property. It's not about beating your kids senseless with fists and clubs. Â It's about controlled spanking that will teach them there are consequences to what they do wrong. Jesus. Â Frickin' liberals drive me nuts! Â THey are all for "choice" but they don't allow any points of view that go against what they believe. Â Can't have it both ways. BTW, the last paragraph was only towards amos, who seems to think that way, NOT TO YOU ALASKAN.<span id='postcolor'> THANK YOU. f**king liberals.

Ah, okay. Sounds good.

Like I said, between that and the "babelfish" German (what is babelfish?) that was grammatical.

Oh, and incase you forgot, naught is also acceptable. naught also nought (nôt) n. Nonexistence; nothingness. The figure 0; a cipher; a zero. Infintile and devistating were both me being tired. Convenction was for the same reason.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Mister Frag on 6:31 am on Dec. 20, 2001 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KillorLive on 12:41 pm on Dec. 20, 2001 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001 You rest your case on that? mhuh? How does that make me narrow minded anyway? NOT sticking to the norm. Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well. Like I said, we are suppose to be civilised right? You wanna be regarded as a civilised being right? Well act a little bit civilised. Help to make another advancement in civilisation where ppl won't accept violence, especially as punishment towards our defenceless children. When did 2 wrongs start makin a right? <span id='postcolor'> Good job spelling civilized. Maybe I might take heed to your words if you didn't type like a second grader, and had the opinion of a cow. <span id='postcolor'> You ARE aware of the fact that there are two correct spellings of that word, aren't you? There is the American form, and the form that the rest of the English-speaking world uses. And I don't think you should criticize other people's spelling -- here are some quotes of your writing from another thread: * The 5.56mm NATO round is devistating to the human flesh. * But in full fledged war it is useless, since the Geneva Convenction outlaws JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point rounds), and you are forced to use FMJ. Then alot of the said power is lost, though it will tear thru level 3 Kevlar. * Oh. I was told it was adrenaline, since I was dazzed and it was all slow like, I believed it. * Sie erlernen etwas neues tägliches, wie Herr Scweizer? * As for number 2, I need naught provide it, if you are so needy as I provide proof for you search for "JHP GNC" on Google * But, I admit, being raised my infintile years Eastern Bloc I was raised conservative, and my love of rifles still has not died, plus I get paid to learn this stuff when I'm 18, so I might as well learn as much as I can now. I'm not saying my spelling is perfect all of the time, but then I don't go around criticizing others. Why don't you find something more substantive to get worked up about?<span id='postcolor'> Albeit true, half the stuff there the grammar was off, or it was a mis-type. Here's my "impression" of 'amos m': hi u are not to beat kids when there to yers old tehy like to not be hit...and stuffed

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 6:45 am on Dec. 18, 2001 Well it's broken cause ppl are still all farked up. And of course my kids rebell a little. That's what 2 yr olds do. It just means through that period you gotta be persistent. If you teach I child that you hit someone when they don't do what you want them to, what do you think they're gonna do? A little spank might be a little spank to you, but to a child it's something different. You know that the first 2 yrs is when a child learns the most about social behaviour. Teach your kids to use their minds, not their fists is all I'm sayin. I know it's hard, but your kids are what's important right? <span id='postcolor'> Dude! Your kids are SO going to be gay! couldn't resist...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001 You rest your case on that? mhuh? How does that make me narrow minded anyway? NOT sticking to the norm. Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well. Like I said, we are suppose to be civilised right? You wanna be regarded as a civilised being right? Well act a little bit civilised. Help to make another advancement in civilisation where ppl won't accept violence, especially as punishment towards our defenceless children. When did 2 wrongs start makin a right? <span id='postcolor'> Good job spelling civilized. Maybe I might take heed to your words if you didn't type like a second grader, and had the opinion of a cow.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001 You rest your case on that? mhuh? Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well. Hit kids? We all know you were abused...it's okay...NO! No! Shh... There.... Follow me to the nice padded-NO! Calm down! CALM! Good... Get the nice cookie in the cell... there ya go.... *slam* AND STAY THERE! <span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 3:13 am on Dec. 18, 2001 I live in australia and here, and I'm pretty sure in the states and most other CIVILISED countries, physically disciplining your children IS considered abuse and IS against the law. It's not the only thing that gets through to their minds. That's kind of the point that I was trying to make by stating that KillorLive doesn't have children. He hasn't tried and therefore doesn't know how to raise a child. Why would I think like this if all I was taught in my childhood was fear and abuse? My dad wasn't around to beat me with a stick and my mother did a good job of explaining to us the idea of consequences and explaining specific consequences, and by letting us make our own decisions about things it was ensured that we would grow to be opened minded free thinking individuals. Is that what you mean by liberal? I can think for myself? Well that must make you a narrow minded follower who doesn't understand that you CAN choose and you CAN make a difference where it matters. And that is probably because you did not have things explained and were probably not given the chance to think for yourself. You were mummied by a bully. And resorting to physical abuse as a punishment is an insult to the inteligence of your child and yourself and to the humanity of yourself. I talk to my children and try to explain to them WHY I don't want them to do any specific thing. My children love me and I love them. I'm not gonna start hitting them to proove the point that I'm bigger and what I say goes. You know how a neural network in computers works? You don't program them. You start by giving it some simple problems and the sollutions to those problems. From there the computer(s) can implement that knowledge and apply it to work out sollutions to new problems it hasn't encountered before. The same thing with ppl and all living creatures. I am empowering my children to be able to make intuitive decisions for themselves and to understand consequence with out filling them with fear. I am not a christian, so I do not say "don't do that or you'll burn in ####", or "don't swallow your gum, It'll wrap around your heart and you'll suffocate". I'm not a sadist so I don't beat my kids into submission. I am someone who cares and thinks too much to go around hitting ppl because I think that's the best sollution. You can't figure out a better way to punish you're children? I do punish my children if it is necessary, but I find that it isn't really necessary very often. Less often than the child of someone who punishes their child at the drop of a hat, ie. for scratching a farking cd. What really matters more? Do you really think hitting a child is necessary because a cd you like got a scratch on it? You seriously gotta rethink your attitude. As for calling me liberal, you can label ppl what you want, but it's only gonna hinder you as with a label comes expectations. You think that person is only capable of what the label permits, where the person is an individual and capable of alot more than any one label gives credit for. You can call me a liberal for what I've said here. You can call me a veggie cause I choose not to eat meat. But I am amos m and I live up to my own expectations. <span id='postcolor'> Liberal. It's not illegal to hit your kids behind. Dips**t. Get off the amphetamines, it's really burning you from the inside out.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Sitting Duck on 9:23 pm on Dec. 19, 2001 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Damage Inc on 8:17 pm on Dec. 19, 2001 The guard houses on Everon have a picture of Lenin in them (I think it's Lenin). <span id='postcolor'> Close, it's Stalin <span id='postcolor'> Are you an idiot? It's Lenin you moron. Don't make me call Trotsky up to handle you...

Because it's the only thing that gets thru their minds. Look, you're a liberal. Pure and simple, me and them, don't get along. Bugger off talking to me. Oh, and level of "abuse"? Are you kidding? It's perfectly legal to swat your kids behind! What are you on? (Edited by KillorLive at 5:03 pm on Dec. 17, 2001)

Bugger off. If you want to rant go rant in your head. We actually have people helping here, we don't need you. Keep it up and I'll call you on violating my terms of service. Briging your disgruntledness from your job here pisses EVERYONE off. Keep it to yourself.

I agree, but who? It would turn most small-key ownerships into the next Valve. We don't need people so high on power just s**t on the gamers about cheating. Valve: "I don't really care about your needs" Gamers: "But there 10's of thousands of cheaters in HL!" Valve: "Okay, I'll release a fix that stops the cheaters for 5 hours and make them more advanced in the end." Gamers: "ARGH! Now over 95% of the Half-Life community cheats!" Valve: "Let Punk-Buster handle it." Gamers: "They got out of the Half-Life world because you wouldn't fund them!" Valve: "So? As long as people keep buying our game we'll keep milking and patching it, but we wont fix cheats. We can fix the cheats, but if we did we would take a huge chunk of the community away, so we will hide it by trying to fix it every 6 months with some stupid feature." Gamers: "Hmm... MoH:AA was just released...." Valve: "NOOO! We need our 15 thousand server community! We will make fake patches that fix non existent problems to keep you here for however long we can!" And so on...