Jester OC

Did this start happening or has it always worked that way for you? If it has always worked that way, then it may be that the CD rom is not compatible with the copy protection scheme. I had a CD writer that always failed when games had the SafeDisk CD protection scheme. I eventually bought a second CD Rom to play games on. Hope that helped. Jester OC

What resolution are you set at, setting it lower than 1024x768 can produce a blurry cursor. Jester OC

Yep that is about it. Hint, when you buy any game with a CD Key, if you lose the key, you've lost the game. Jester OC

Standard Questions. Latest Drivers? Any Programs Running in the background? Lower your resolution. Anyone know if TNT2's support Hardware T&L?

No because the CD Key is not a tied to the CD. It is more of a registration key. Jester OC

Malboeuf, You know, you remind me of Javert from Les Miserables. You believe in your convictions so strongly that your quest for what is just and right leaves no room for interpretation. With that, I'll leave this discussion. Jester OC (Edited by Jester OC at 1:10 am on Nov. 27, 2001)

Malboeuf, I still do not know the answer.  I simply am trying to deduce the limitations of the games architecture.  Asking BIS  if their game works like many other games on the market is not moronic, it is a valid honest question.  After I wrote the original statement, I reflected on the games design and deduced that it may have limitations  that prevent the use of CD Keys in the way that others in the industry are currently practicing.  Rather than keep that to myself, I offered it up to the people here that are also looking for the same answer. I'm not looking for loop holes, I am looking for solutions to a stated problem.  Your constant assumptions of some sort of guilt is uncalled for.  Like I and many other people have stated, many games with the same copy write wording on their packages allow and encourage the installation of their game on multiple machines.  Does this mean that those companies are actively encouraging people to break the law? And therefore should be prosecuted? If so the makers of Total Annihilation, and Rouge Spear should all be jailed. Both had representatives explain on their forums that it is OK for consumers to use their game on multiple machines as long as they had a CD to start them up. Jester OC (Edited by Jester OC at 11:36 pm on Nov. 26, 2001)

This may seem weird I think I'm going to try to answer my own question using logic. Despite Malboeuf's simple view of the situation (which is a strict interpretation of Copywrite law). I think that the way in which the developers created their multiplayer scheme, may hold the final answer to this question. Unlike many other titles, OF does not have a master server that regulates CD key interactions. Thus they MUST implement their CD key security system clientside on the every game, not just internet games. Other titles that rely on Master servers, often allow players on LAN's to play their game without checking the CD key for many of the reasons I stated earlier. They allow and encourage this behavior to let fans have fun on LAN's to encourage more purchases. As I said I work in the game development field and these talks go on all the time, it is a constant struggle to balance ease of use with piracy protection. That said I guess I can not fault the developers in their choice of protection. Without a master server infrastructure it would be too simple to spoof the CD key system without something as sophisticated as FADE. So what does this all mean, well I still want a direct answer because I feel that the public deserves a direct answer. Also I guess I would like a new question answered, considering how uninstalling and re-installing does not seem to help, is it worth it for me to purchase another copy, or would it fail. Thanks again for everyone's input. Jester OC (Edited by Jester OC at 6:01 am on Nov. 26, 2001)

Malboeuf, Your arguement is unfounded. Saying "Everybody knows" is not confirmation, and thus not helpful. I realize you are having a hard time with this but I don't understand your anger. It is a simple question, is what I mentioned above supported or not. I'm not talking about piracy, I'm not talking about Shareware, I'm talking about support. Jester OC A sense honor should define the way a Roughneck member acts: help those who need it, and treat others with respect.

Sorry, I don't have a GeForce 3, but it sounds similar to a problem a friend of mine had. In Windows, check your monitor settings and make sure that it is set correctly, it may think your monitor is capable of a higher refresh rate or resolution than it can handle. If you can't find the correct one, set it to a low end generic monitor and try that. Good luck. Jester OC

Sorry guys but I have not found one confimration by a developer. I looked into the FAQ's and on the official trouble shooter forum. I have read non developers confirm stuff, but no developer. Since I have read people claim stuff is FADE related, only to have a developer post a reply that contradicted that members "facts" I feel justified asking for a rep to guide me on this. I understand that part of the FADE system relies on people not knowing what triggers it. Perfectly acceptable, I understand, I am a game developer myself. But I am not asking for the exact trigger, just if what I have clearly layed out is a supported practice by the games users. I don't pirate software, but I do try to entice my friends into buying games I like. I use the games multiplayer capabilities to do this. I have sucessfuly encoraged my friends to buy many games (C&C, Total Anh, SWAT 3, Delta Force,Rouge Spear, No One Lives forever, Combat Mission, etc.) by doing this. And for clarity, most of the games I mentioned allow you to use the same CD on two computers. OP Flashpoint is bucking the trend in multiplayer games in not supporting it (still I can't find an Official Answer). Also, if there is an official answer out there, please Avon put it in your FAQ, that is the best place for info on this game and it is much easier to access than these forums for this type of question. Thanks for everyones replies, even the ones I don't agree with. I just want clarity, nothing more.

*BUMP* Please this deserves an offical reply.

I am using my Original version of the Game to start 2 games on two machines to play a LAN game from within my house. After playing a mission a few times, one player's game crashed and when he returned we got saw the message "Original Games Do not FADE." Please let us know if what we are doing is considered wrong. I read a lot of posts here and no where does a developer mention that this practice (using one CD to start multiple games) is wrong. Please answer me. Jester_OC