Hammer86

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*scratching my head, looking in my post for the part where I said you attacked me*<span id='postcolor'> It was not an accusation, it was a question. I asked if you are so soft skinned that you think I am attacking you, coming off a hostile, or something else? And I kept that image, cut off the soldier with the M14 and made a signature out of it.

I was correcting you, and informing you that the FN FAL and G3 suffer the same problems. Are you so soft skinned that you think I am trying to attack you?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However, the M14 displayed an erratic dispersion pattern, excessive recoil, and muzzle climb when fired as an automatic rifle.<span id='postcolor'> Sorry I can't help myself. Both the G3 and FN FAL suffer the same problems when fired on FULLY AUTOMATIC. It is a .308 bullet ya know, take note of that and do a little more research next time. (PS: What's that image have to do with anything?)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cant we have one debate that doesn't turn into a flame war?<span id='postcolor'> Who went over the top with the name calling? I don't think I did. And 16BHRT or whatever's rant did not bother me in the least.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">FFS i cam here tooking for a mod for OFP and this 16yr old yank just wants to cary on about the USA , I JUST DONT CARE HAMMER, I-ME-MYSELF, DOSE NOT LIKE THE #!@$! M14 FOR THE REASONS STATED DEAL WITH IT JUST BECAUS ITS MADE IN THE USA DONT MAKE IT THE BEST EQUIP (DEAL WITH IT ) SOME OF MY BEST MATES ARE YANKS THERE NOT #$#$ WITS<span id='postcolor'> Hooked on Phonics </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sory for bad spelling's hammer has pised me off by calling me a liar<span id='postcolor'> Just stating the facts. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fact 2, The M1 could be massivly mass-produced and is why i think 99.43210953% of american riflemen where issued them i think...wait that doesn't make it a fact does it?<span id='postcolor'> And because it was the single greatest battle rifle of all time </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">fact 1) HAmmer is a W-A-N-K-A<span id='postcolor'> Since you fail to argue any of the points I put forth I shall assume you agree with me 100%. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">for the record my sources in the UK army is my Dec Granfarther (step)at time of death he was a Col the second is a curent serving Major with 6RAR i have cheacked with all partys and I can say that much<span id='postcolor'> Well hate to tell ya, but they/you are wrong - the M1 Garand was issued to all American riflemen.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hammer you are dumb<span id='postcolor'> Heh, the pot calling the kettle black! <span id='postcolor'>You probably don even know that “with out the French the USA would not exist†and that was from the curator of the Smithsonian  (or your in denial )</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> If you are referring to WW2, without the allied invasion of France they would not exist. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have spoken to several friends of my grandfathers they all make the comment that the majority of the Yanks they worked with where using P19 in WW2 (this was in the pacific)<span id='postcolor'> Well, either you're lying or they're full of horse shit. My father was in the Army, my father's friends were in the air force, I've talked to Ranger veterans in Ft. Benning GA, you know what weapon they were issued in WW2? An American made M1 Garand. Any WW2 history book will tell you that 99% of American riflemen were issued M1 Garands. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All figures i have stated came from places with in the UK AND AUSTRALIAN ARMYS just cant say where<span id='postcolor'> Because you're making it up </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You need to listen to people and they you may learn. I find out new stuff about my country all the time<span id='postcolor'> Well, I have learned that you don't have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. heh! learn something new every day huh?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm with Antichrist on this one apparently the Yanks weapons can’t be out done.<span id='postcolor'> Oh cry me a river, I guess if I disagree with something made by a foreign country I am automatically anti-everything non-American? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also you need to check your figures 80% of the weapons used in ww2 where the English made LE mk2 no 2-3 (longbranch for Canada - Lithgow for us in OZ)<span id='postcolor'> All American rifleman of WW2 were issued M1 Garands, what part of that can you not read/understand? YOU need to check YOUR figures. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was positioned so that all media from the period only had M1’s in shot if you blow up some of the pix from the time you can see the US made P14 ‘s<span id='postcolor'> So it was a huge conspiracy huh? Ask any WW2 Vet what rifle they were issued, it was the M1 Garand, they were mass produced right up until Korea.. I suppose the US was just making them for no reason? I suppose the same goes for the M1911? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hammer lets not be soo nieve to believe that the M14 was selected over the FAL simply because it was the better rifle. Keep in mind that politics played a large role in the US military's adoption of weapons.<span id='postcolor'> Don't be so ignorant to believe the FN FAL was not selected due to politics. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How old are you hammer<span id='postcolor'> Guess

It's a shame you think that, it really is. And god forbid I take pride in my country, I have no disrespect for Assault since he is Canadian, and if he was in his countries armed forces than I salute him for his sacrifice to something greater than himself.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL, all military rifles can be adjusted for deflection and elevation. Who was the biased writer you copied+pasted this from?<span id='postcolor'> I did not copy and paste anything, it was studies based on personal experience, books, manuals, and other sources. Also, my friend who helped me put it together was ex-special forces. Second: The US M14/M1 sights are considered to be best in the world, and any non-biased user would agree. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hell, 90 countries can't be wrong<span id='postcolor'> I believe I debunked your "90 countries cant be wrong" argument in my past post. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I had to choose between the M-14 and the FN FAL, I would go with the FAL in a battle situation because of it's pistol grip and reliablility<span id='postcolor'> M14 also had a pistol grip in the later model, which is now used by US Armed forces, and how is the FAL more reliable than the M14? I've also read the M14 brakes down in less parts, and is capable of firing with water in the barrel (which is why SEALs use it) </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any sane rifleman would bring a bolt-action to a shooting match. Of course those matches were probably for semi-autos only.<span id='postcolor'> Not all semi automatics are inaccurate, and that has nothing to do with team Springfield using M14s to win the most matches of any sporting team. Note: Other teams used G3 and FAL sporters. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">An M-14 or FAL would be one of the last weapons I would want fighting in a close combat situation, especially in the jungles of Vietnam. Each weapon has it's specialty.<span id='postcolor'> Last weapon I want in Vietnam would be the M16.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since when M14 is more accurate than FN FAL? Damn that text is full of shit<span id='postcolor'> If you could read you would not have said that, but I see that you are too narrow-minded to face the facts, It's all true, from the poor FAL gas system to the other problems. Also seeing as how you refused to argue the points I put fourth, I will conclude that you have absolutely no knowledge of firearms and go solely on what you see in movies/video games. Your text is the most narrow minded garbage I've ever read, and believing that the M14 is a bad weapon is the first step to admitting you're an imbecile. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also it’s a myth that the M1 (it was no a good base for the M14, not a bad one just not a good one ) was the most used weapon in ww2 if you check out the real records the majority of weapons where a Remington – Winchester copy of the Lee Enfield Mk2 No3. From memory it was known at the P-14<span id='postcolor'> What? it was issued to every American rifleman in WW2, it was also used in Korea, than right up to Vietnam. (It was also the best full sized battle rifle of the war) </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">really the m14 dosent sux but it was replace for a reason.<span id='postcolor'> It was replaced because of the US Government wanting to get the new "space age" m16 in to service, and the reason that McNamara had beef with Springfield Armory, not because it was a bad weapon. Also, the M14 is still in use today by Delta Force agents, Special Forces, Rangers, SEALs, SWAT teams, Marines, and all LRRP teams during the Vietnam war. (was also used in Mogadishu) It is also a favored weapon in sporting events and shooting matches due to its accuracy, as a matter of fact more matches were won by team Springfield using M14s than others won using other rifles (including FN FALs) There's a reason the FN FAL did not beat the U.S.A M14, and that's because it was not as good. Also before you state the obvious, the reason the FN FAL was used by more countries is because the United States did not sell the weapon plans to other countries until the 80s - early 90s. So if we go on most used, the AK47 is better than any weapon ever made. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah i've see an Australian L1A1 SR shoot and hold 12" with standard peep sight's , at 1000m , not yards 1000m = 925yrds , and there was wind involved <span id='postcolor'> Most are based solely upon the shooter, the M14 is capable of the same performance. What does however make it better than the FN FAL are the little things I mentioned in my post, you can continue to think the FAL is better than the M14, but you will be wrong.

The mighty M14 came to be after many years of development and controversy. One world class weapon that competed against the M14 for U.S. adoption, and lost, was the FN FAL. The reasons for the military choosing the M14 over the FN FAL were, due to the similarities of the M1 Garand and the new M14, training and manufacture would be easier. The M14 was a pound lighter than the FAL, and the United States was not about to adopt a foreign weapon for the U.S. military. Ironically the FN Corporation would eventually produce the M16A2 for the U.S., and the armed services would eventually replace their 1911A1s with the Italian-designed M9 Beretta. The M14 is basically a product-improved M1 Garand. The M14 cured the short comings of the 1930's-developed Garand. Briefly, these improvements were a detachable 20-round capacity magazine, a floating gas piston, the gas port on the barrel located closer to the receiver, a roller on the bolt to reduce friction, full-auto capability, a flash suppressor, chrome lined barrel, and a "smaller" round: the 7.62 NATO or as civilians were to know it, the .308. The reason the M14 is better than the FN FAL are due to a few problems, the first being that the FAL has gas system problems, and gas adjuster knob trouble, it is not as reliable as the M14.. not by a long shot. The second is that the FAL is slightly heavier than the M14, and the third is that it has horrible sights which can't be adjusted to windage & elevation. The reason for the M14 being better than the G3 are that it too is slightly heavier, the M14 has a longer sight radius and better trigger pull than the G3 (and FAL) it has horrible ergonomics, it is front heavy & unbalanced, it also have Heavier recoil. The magazines / feeding mechanisms isn't as reliable as the M14's, seeing as how the M14 GI magazines are known throughout the gun world as the best, plus the G3 sights are just as bad of the FAL's. Now lets compare the FN to the G3 The FN is easier to maintain in the field than the G3, With The H&K G3 you have to remove the buttstock by pulling 2 pins at the rear of the receiver these can be lost under the rigors of combat. Also with the H&K's roller lock it is fairly easy to get the rollers locked out when cleaning Making it impossible to reinstall without complete disassembly and reassembly of the bolt to reinstall. Which could be a royal pain to do the first couple of times. So although the M14 tops them both ...... the FN FAL is better than the G3 Lets compare weight now... The M14 weighs 9.2 pounds empty, the FAL weighs 9.4 pounds empty, and the G3 weighs 9.7 pounds empty. As you can see the M14 is lighter than both of them When it comes to Accuracy all three rifles run neck and neck ....... its the slight advantages listed above that make the M14 the best followed by the FN FAL and then finally the G3A3.