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This is what I think the most practical solution is: Okay, in Deltaforce 1 trough 3, its just the same terrain repeated over and over. BUT, in Black hawk down, yes, the same system is in place, but in the center of the map, the terrain is unique. This allows a practically endless map, but there is detailed terrain in the center. In OFP 2, the center terrain could be similar to the island terrain in the original, but the outlying "tiles" of terrain could be low-res, lacking vegetation (at least individual trees, but I guess you could still have "forest" tiles) The terrain would have to be much more simplistic as well, or there would be a huge problem with performance. Personally, I'd rather have Islands again. I didn't have a problem with that. I have a BIG problem with repeating terrain tiles, or just endless flat low-res terrain, or invisible walls, (though out of those 3 I dislike the invisible walls the least) I'm just saying the DF: Black Hawk Down - style terrain would be the next best thing after Islands. I just can't understand how they're going to do it though. Africa would be easy, outside the center of the map it'd be okay to have limitless flat desert, but in central Europe? Come on! I guess there invisible walls would work the best. Outside the center of the map I'd like to see non-repeating terrain, but maybe less detailed, running for a considerable stretch before hitting the invisible wall. This should give planes enough room to fly. In Vietnam, you'd need much of the same, although eventually you'd get to the ocean.

Oh yeah, and I'd like to see more aircraft-mounted weapons for you to use while your transporting from place to place. Remember the scene in Full Metal Jacket? They're in the chopper and there's a guy in there with an mounted M60. And he's shooting the workers in the rice patties? Machine gunner - "Any one who runs if a VC. Any one who stands still is a well-disciplined VC... ... I got me a score of 157 dead gooks killed." Joker - "Any women or children?" Machine Gunner - "Sometimes." Joker - "How can you shoot women, and children?" Machine Gunner "Easy, you just don't lead 'em as much!" Mini guns on UH1s would be nice too.

We need silenced sidearms for black ops missions. Colt .45 supressed Supressed .22 (almost completely silent, you only hear a small click. Used for VERY close range takedowns, a bit messy outside 75m) I'm not sure if one was in service, but a slienced 9mm would be nice. And powerful weapons too... (African militia would have aquired theese, even if they weren't in standard military service) - .357 (standard and magnum) - .38 (horribly inaccurate, but that makes it fun) - .32 (probably for para-military) Oh, and Russian spetz natz agents, (though maybe not the battlefield opratives, I'm talking the KGB intelligence guys) The Russian semi-auto .54 pistol. That has quite a bit of stopping power, enough to knock anybody on their ass, though it's not as powerful as the Desert Eagle (.50 version, not the .357) Oh, can we have that too? Just for fun? And probably an assortment of civilian arms - .40 pistol - .44 pistol - .36 pistol - .303 hunting rifle (actually I think there were several military rifles of this calliber in service) - .410 shotguns (slugs and buckshot) - Elephant guns (African game hunters had them) Also, improvised weapons. - Molotov cocktails (We need dynamic fire effects, like Postal 2) - Bricks, bottles, and the such - Grenades made from coconuts! (Gilligan's Island type stuff. No? Just an idea.) We need pungi sticks too, even if they are very aggrivating when you fall into one.

My wishlist: M16A1 XM177E1 M1 Thompson SKS PPK-52 M40 (no thats not M4, its M40, a Vietnam-to-present day Remmington-based 7.62mm 5-round clip sniper rifle, used extensively by spec. ops and marine snipers in Vietnam) M-14 7.62mm FMJ (so I can have a major malfunction like Privat Pyle) I'm sure I'll think of more...

The problem here is, because the way the engine works, even if a complex graphics scheme like this is not occuring in the field of view of the player, it still takes a lot of memory to keep track of everything. Just because it's not being rendered at huge distances, doesn't mean you're not losing a lot of RAM so the game engine can keep track. With Islands as big as the ones in OFP, this could be a huge problem, especially if terrain type affected the way the unit moves.

Exactly. Though I'm going to give everybody a little physics lesson... When a stock car hits a wall at 200 mph, the forces are different from when you crash your Porsche (996) 911 Carerra 4 into a telephone pole at 200 mph. In the wreck with the Porsche, all of the energy obtained from the velocity you were travelling (your body mass times speed) is exerted on your body when you suddenly come to a dead stop. When you go into the wall on a race track, there's deflection. Not all of the force of impact in the opposite direction of your vector (direction/speed). The same is true in the Apache. You hit the ground at even a sharp 45-degree angle, you only experience half of the force (I think) of if you were to nose-dive into the ground at the same speed. Now, what makes the Apache so special is, in other helicopters, even if your body could survive the force of the impact, the chopper would smash to bits and blow up, killing you. Since the Apache has such great structural strength, the nose of the aircraft doesn't end up in your lap. So, if the force of impact doesn't press your organs so hard against the inside of your chest that they turn to mush, or the shockwave doesn't break your back, you can survive even a pretty hard crash. All because you don't stop dead. The helicopter could bounce, or slide along the ground for a while and then bury itself, and you'd be fine. I know this was very off-topic, but forgive me, it's relevant to a post that was relevant to a post that was relevant to this topic.

Yes, of course its true. You're only sitting in a multi-million dollar machine with a cockpit that's essentially a titanium bathtub! If the Apache's not shot out of the sky but hits the ground out of pilot error, even at modest speeds, it can survive and even still be flyable.

This is a great idea, I can't believe nobody hit on this sooner. I think all models should be the same size for MP, though. But in SP, it's an excellent idea. Oh, can we have distended bellies for the starving people in Africa? That'd be good. That's not with a smart-ass tone either, but all the civilians were malnourished, and some of the soldiers too. But yeah, different height and stature would be great. There would need to be 2 diff. forms, male and female, male for most soldier (except for female VC, if implemented) and female for the female VC and civilian women. In each form, you would scale proportions differently. I don't know about the different physical abilities thingy though, sounds a little overboard. Knowing me, I'd end up shooting the chunky guy in the squad because he'd be slowing me down. Also, in an AI vs. AI battle, you'd just see all the plump ones lying dead on the ground There is one part of the abilities thing that I'd like to see though, and that is diff. strengths that you can assign a player, though their speeds need to be the same, so I don't shoot the slow ones. Where you would use the slider to change the physical appearance of your soldier, you should also have checkboxes for ablilites. You could choose Scout, Support Weapons, Sniper, Spec. Ops.... But your height and stature should be limited by what class you choose. A sniper the size of Shaq wouldn't exactly be inconspicuous, and I don't think somebody of Woody Allen's stature would handle an M60 to well... But snipers should have no scope drift, heavy weapons guys should have less problem with recoil, scouts should have balanced ablilites, and spec. ops. should be a better version of the scout, but with the abilty to go unnoticed. It might be a good idea to block that class for MP. And women VC (again, if implemented, and I hope it is) should only be snipers and scouts. I don't think there were any 6'5" 300 lb. Asian women that could bench 450 lbs. , so as a support weapons specialist, I think women would be out of the question. This was, again, another long post for me. I don't know how to type just a short reply....

I started this thing, and I picked "E" - both "B" and "C". The Infatry does need some work, but not as much as the choppers and not nearly as much as the armor. The choppers are an intrical part of combat, especially in Vietnam, and as much realism as possible is needed. Flight model is as good as you can expect for an infantry-based sim, but weapons and missions could use some work. I never did like the way the armored combat was. Here the weapons were good enough for me. The way the tanks drive is close, but no cigar. They need to handle slopes better. Tanks aren't slowed much at all by rough terrain. The missions are more or less believable and realistic, though a little more connection to infantry movement is needed, especially if we're going to be in the time period in which OFP 2 is set. To make fixed-wing modelling good, would require a LOT of work. But I didn't vote that it needed improvement because I don't think it really could be too useful in an infantry-based sim. If you made the fixed-wing part better, you'd have to lose a little on the infantry end, which I wouldn't be willing to do if I was a developer. Let me know what you think, and if you vote,particularly for a combo answer, please reply explaining your choice. (You'd definately need to explain a vote for "H","I", or "J" though I really hope you didn't choose "I") Thanks going to this poll and not my previous screw-up. (Give me a break, it was done at 2:40 A.M. - It took a second try, completed at just around 3:00 A.M. to get it right)

I voted Eastern Europe. Â The reason is, it'll be harder to dissappoint the gamers with this one. Â I'll explain... Â (1) Vietnam has been done to death by all tactical shooters lately. Â LOS, Vietcong, Spec. Ops.... on and on. Â It would be great to see what BIS could do with it, because I think OFP could bring a level of realism to it (large numbers of civilians, Female VC Soldiers) that no other shooters did. The problem is, we expect nothing but the upmost in realism (as far as combat scenarios) from OFP, and Vietnam was a VERY dynamic war. Â Also, it really happened so we have something to measure the game against for realism. Â By the way, I hope the Vietnam turns out like Full Metal Jacket... That was the REAL Vietnam, plus the jungle combat. Â We need all three: urban, villages, Â and the jungle. Â I hope BIS doesn't just focus on the jungle like all the other developers did... (2) Africa - Not a lot of games have touched Africa at all. Â I think the first one I played that did was Delta Force 2. Â DFLW did some Africa, but suspiciously, THERE WERE NO AFRICANS! Â DFBHD did Somalia, but did a really crappy job. Â Other than that, there aren't any serious examples. Â This could be fun ("fun" means interesting, because genocide and war are not fun) because there were a lot of combat scenarios in the timeframe (but not too much western involvment as I remember) Â To do a good job here, it would be mainly village combat, with more civilians with bad guys, and having a tough time deciding who to shoot. Â That is unless, of course, the campaign turns out to be a fictional battle that is West vs. CCCP (USSR) fighting for control of Africa. Â Well, the problem here is, this also really happened, so we have something to make a comparison with for realism, but it will most likely be a fictionalized East vs. West scenario. (I hope not) (3) Central Europe: Â This one, while maybe tying with Vietnam for potential, would be easier to do in a way that will satisfy everyone. Â With Vietnam, to meet the standard of realism that everybody expects from OFP, BIS would REALLY have to work hard, due to the dynamic range of that war. Â Central Europe is really open-ended. Â It's the same setting as the original OFP, so they have no excuse not to do a good job, plus, no major military action occured, so we have nothing to hold to for realism. Â Of course its going to be fictional, and that'll be okay. (By the way, I hope the other two campaigns aren't) Â They can make it as climactic as they want. Â The war can escalate to whatever scale they want! Â It'll be great. Â From infatry battles in the rolling hills, to urban warfare in Prague, to rolling your M60 Patton down the autobahn highway towards East Berlin. Â It's a win, win project. (I hope they make Vietnam very true to the actual war, and make it just as good as Central Europe. Â It can be, but it wouldn't be easy to do) Â Now that I build CE up like this, they'd better do a good job, or I'm going really dissappointed, as I'm sure anybody who took the time to read this enormously long post will be too. Well there are my reasons, and I believe them to be fairly sound. Â I wonder if any other game forum in history has ever had this much activity and posting about a game that is more than a year away from release?

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This topic really hasn't had any new posts recently, so.... Okay, Delta Force didn't exactly have a massive outdoor environment. It was just the same 2km x 2km terrain tile that was fitted together over and over and over and over and over... you get the point Balistics: I think wind is an excelent idea. Not many games simulate that really. Of course, I'd like to be able to turn it off, because I'm not too great of a sniper. One aspect of ballistics i'd like to see is bullet mass combined with ragdolls. Also, bullets should be able to pass through the materials they would in real life. 9mm wouldn't go through much, maybe really flimsy crates, .45 through most interior walls, 5.56 and 7.62mm through decent cover (thin metal, oil barrels, unarmored vehicles), and .50 and 20+mm going through just about everything, with the exception of thick concrete barricades. (actually a 25mm + round would) I loved shooting bad guys through walls, doors, and metal containers in IGI 2.

Yeah, you do need to drop faster. You go high at all and eject, you've gota 10 min. ride to the ground, with full time compression on. My big gripe though is, YOU CAN'T EJECT, LET ALONE PARACHUTE FROM A CHOPPER! Those 4 or 5 titanium-composite rotor blades swirling 400 mph will end you up rather quickly. Presently there are only two helicopters in the world with ejection seats: The KA-50 Hokum and the KA-52 Hokum B. Rather than ejecting from a damaged helo, the game should model autorotate and the actual structural survivabilty. You can crash an Apache 150 mph into the ground and live, and usually even walk away from impacts under 90 mph

We need dynamic fire effects, like in Postal 2! Gasoline should catch fire, people should burn. When vehicles blow up, the don't just crumple all over and turn all charred and spew smoke. They buckle where they were hit and where secondary explosions occured. They only get charred where the fire is. Tank turrets should get separated from the chassis. Thats what happens when a tank suffers a hard hit and the ammuntion goes up. Also, tanks should blow treads when hit with a LAW and get stuck. Trees catching fire and fire effects where large explosions happen should be included. I'm not saying simulate a fire growing into a massive inferno that devours the forests of Vietnam, but fire should be on a timer and it should spread a little untill the timer runs out and it slowly goes out. Besides, wouldn't Molotov coctails and Napalm be fun? Come on, we need napalm if we're going to be in Vietnam, just like the VC needs to have women soldiers.

Great idea: (not sure it falls strictly under animations) Dynamic fire effects! Like in postal 2, where gasoline caught fire and people burned. Molotov cocktails! Also, exploding vehicles should burn a while. The turrets of tanks should blow 50 ft. into the air when hit with a hellfire. Now the tanks just crumple and turn a charred color. There should be crumpling only where the tank was hit or where any secondary explosions occured. Also, charring should only occur where the tank is on fire. (Engine, turret, fuel tank)