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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Mar. 14 2003,06:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm just wondering - have any of you from US owned european cars? (no flamebaiting) <span id='postcolor'> Owned as in possessed, or owned as beat in a race? Â Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ Mar. 14 2003,03:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Buick Grand National and Chevrolet Impala SS rank up there as my two favorite "sleeper" cars. Â <span id='postcolor'> Buick GN = Darth Vader on wheels. Â The Charger had a worked 440, but the Buick would have eaten it alive. Â (Fortunately, the current 'Bird OWNZ all.) Wanted to get an '95-ish Imp SS as the family truckster but the wife didn't see the point of getting an "old" car. Â I must admit, though, the GTP ain't too bad for a four-door six-banger with wrong-wheel drive. Semper Fi

Restored '70 and '72 Novas, and a '69 Charger R/T. Â Selling the Dodge ranks as one of my saddest memories, having spent over 2 1/2 years building it. Â Moved on to an '87 Buick Grand National; currently drive a '98 Formula Firebird. Â The wife drives a '99 Grand Prix GTP. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 13 2003,23:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, I agree. The reason for that is that we have had 1000 years of nation states and have evolved beyond that. Perhaps you should learn from our experience <span id='postcolor'> [Disclaimer] I usually don't refer to "Europe" as a collective entity, but will for the duration of this post. [/Disclaimer] What historical evidence is there to suggest that Europe has evolved to such an enlightened state? Â I'd offer WWI, WWII and Kosovo as evidence that it hasn't happened yet. Â Heck, I'd even go so far as to suggest that if someone wanted to learn something from recent European history, it would be that it's better to deal with a small problem before it becomes a big one. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PiNs_Da_Smoka @ Mar. 13 2003,09:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What does the "B.J." in B.J. Honeycutt (spelling?) stand for?<span id='postcolor'> His mom "Bea" and his dad "Jay." Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Mar. 07 2003,17:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is a direct breach of postwar agreements with the UN as they have not been informed about the action.<span id='postcolor'> A direct breach of postwar agreements? Â This calls for twelve years of Security Council resolutions! Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Mar. 07 2003,1106)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What was good about the cold war is that it didn't allow America invade Russia and destroy all evidence of anything happening that might make look America bad. It was nice of the Russian to be such a quiet but the truth was going to eventually get out.<span id='postcolor'> Well, that's certainly an... interesting interpretation of the cold war. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,1103)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Countless times. For instance in Sweden, one of the more direct times USA threatened with ending diplomatic relations if the Swedish government did not interfere and stop the the publishing of the scientology bible. The Swedish supreme court ruled that the publication of the bible was ok. After US pressure the government intervened and made an (probably unconstitutional) executive decission to stop the publishment of the book.<span id='postcolor'> This is so screwy that I felt compelled to check it out. Â Turns out the point of contention was violation of international copyright, which the Swedish court apparently agreed with, fining the violator 50,000 krona. Â In any case, this clearly points out the hazards of Scientology: Scientology = Travolta comeback = "Battlefield Earth" Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know if you have served with units from other countries but this is my distinct impression. <span id='postcolor'> Admittedly limited to the British Royal Marines' Commachio Group and the Bahrani U-Group. Â And I saw a Canadian in the PX once. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The life of an American soldier is not so much different then a regular civilian day job.<span id='postcolor'> After four years as a Marine grunt, I can tell you for a fact that we didn't consider our work to be just "a regular job." Â From the first day of boot camp we adhere to two leadership objectives: 1) MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT 2) Troop Welfare It's not a coincidence that Mission Accomplishment is listed first. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,01:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When they go into 'harms way' they make damn sure that there is no risk to their lives. And as I said, this is very good as long as you have the situation and resources to pull it off.<span id='postcolor'> We haven't been faced with the necessity for a long time. Â However, crack the history books and see the casualty rates we've endured to take objectives when we felt it was necessary. And before someone brings up Somalia and the Rangers, remember that: 1) The "Blackhawk Down" mission was tactically successful, and 2) The decision to pull out was not made by the military. In the final analysis, though, I guess that I'd rather be underestimated than overestimated, and you are underestimating us. Semper FiÂ

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 06 2003,00:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A US serviceman does not count with the possibility of getting killed. It's not considered being a normal occupational hazard. This is quite opposite from the British soldiers who consider the risk of getting killed as a normal part of the job. The US military has a rather unique view on military jobs - very good in many cases but accepting losses is out of the frame of reference.<span id='postcolor'> I can only say that I beg to differ. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Mar. 05 2003,10:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don´t understand this. Why is someone a hero who get´s caught during a spy operation ? In my eyes it was bad work and they got caught. Hero´s are defined very different for me.<span id='postcolor'> Just a couple of points: 1) They weren't "caught."  They were rammed by a Chinese hotdog in international airspace.  "Caught" implies they were apprehended doing something illegal, which is not the case. 2) They weren't on a "spy operation."  They were on a reconnaissance flight.  You know, wearing military uniforms and all that. 3) As far as being "heroes," it may be due to the professionalism the crew showed in being able to land the plane with the nose cone and other bits and pieces missing. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (STGN @ Mar. 05 2003,09:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And another question is marine force recon the same as force recon marines?<span id='postcolor'> Yes. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (toadeater @ Mar. 05 2003,00:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What else could he do with it?<span id='postcolor'> Feed the army. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Suchey @ Mar. 04 2003, 0230)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Give us money or we blow stuff up...give us this, give us that or we blow stuff up. Â Where does it end?<span id='postcolor'> For some reason, the phrase "frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' heads" keeps running through my head... Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Feb. 28 2003,2008)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">50 T-10D's on each floor is my recommendation <span id='postcolor'> I'd suggest a couple of Phalanx CIWS, but that's just me. Â "Navy Detachment WTC II" Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Feb. 28 2003,17:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Uhm, what has religion got to do with building new towers?<span id='postcolor'> Probably as much as it had to do with destroying the old ones. Pay me no mind, just sarcastically expressing my agreement with Winters while simultaneously poking Bn880 with a sharp stick. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Feb. 28 2003,17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, but what's wrong with making another one? Â A nice piece of nature is the best thing to get burried in...<span id='postcolor'> If we build another park, the muggers and Hansom cab drivers win. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Feb. 28 2003,16:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bad move, Israelis have been doing this for ever, it's bad thinking. Why don't you show you are afraid, because you are, and change the foreign policies.<span id='postcolor'> When will we Americans understand that the sooner we become fundamentalist Muslims and accept "Allah's" will as interpreted by his Public Affairs Officer Osama bin Laden, the safer we'll all be? Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Feb. 28 2003,16:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe a park would be a better idea, a nice place with some nature, right in the middle of NY...<span id='postcolor'> It's my understanding that NYC already has one of those. Â It's Centrally located, too. Â Semper Fi

Clone them. Then kill them. Heh. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 28 2003,07:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At first it was about Iraq having links to AQ and that was the reason for going to war. Â When that was shown to be flimsy and unsubstantiated evidence, it was suddenly that Saddam has programs producing WMD. Â That has been pretty much proved as equally fallacious as the links to AQ. Â Now it's about Iraq being unwilling to prove and destroy any WMD.<span id='postcolor'> It sounds like a cop-out, but my job prevents me from expressing some of my opinions. Â I will say that it would have been a good idea to remain focused on the repeated violations of U.N. resolutions. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 28 2003,07:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's starting t look like a vendetta, especially when there is an equally whacked out dictator flaunting his WMD around in Korea.<span id='postcolor'> Which leads me back to the main reason for enforcing the resolutions. Â After watching Iraq for the past decade-plus, how much respect do you think Great Leader has for the U.N.'s authority? Â [(Diddly/Squat)*2], that's how much. Â And it won't stop with Kim. Â Without a world body willing and able to keep order, who's ultimately going to get the call if it becomes necessary to throw down against the next dime-store hood? Â Here's a hint, it won't be France or Germany. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 28 2003,07:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All we think is that there are better ways to get rid of him than to level Baghdad.<span id='postcolor'> If we go, I don't believe that leveling Baghdad is part of the plan. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Feb. 28 2003,04:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dredging up pictures of US war graves, and then implying the world is sort of ungrateful in some way because they wont flop over to whatever comes out of Washington is a little disgusting. Â Strikes me as a rather feeble way of implying 'if you aint with us, you're against us'<span id='postcolor'> [Rant] I'm not concerned about whether the world is grateful or not, or whether they're "with us or against us." Â I am, however, concerned about the complete and utter BS spewed about how we plan to attack Iraq for oil or to further American imperialism. Â If the past 85 years aren't sufficient evidence for the rest of the world that we're not after global domination, then please pardon me if I find it increasingly difficult to give a rat's @$$ about the rest of the world's opinion. [/Rant] Does anyone have some Tylenol? Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 28 2003,03:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, to wrap up, your dim view of the American administration in this scenario stems from an inherent distrust in our ability to conduct ourselves in a reasonable or moral way. I don't get it.<span id='postcolor'> Well hell, Tex, it's not like they have any reason to trust us. Semper Fi

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Feb. 28 2003,01:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The problem at hand is that US always "justifies" their actions by claiming they are "fighting" for freedom and justice. First we had the Kaiser, then came the corporal and then there was communism. Now we have terrorism! They wil never change their way of doing things, unfortunately!<span id='postcolor'> Y'know, the four examples you provided don't help your case very much. Semper Fi

[Judge Smails] Don't you people have homes? [/Judge Smails] Heh. Semper Fi