Donnervogel

you call that bad? hah, spoiled brat you

not work anymore?it does but IIRC you can't use "" signs for code anymore. Instead use waved brackets <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">{_x moveincargo choppername} forEach units this; this worked in OFP too btw.

you can roll and loop in Arma too, although a looping is very hard. An " " isn't - well it's not a real one (oh yes and the landing is fucked up because it's hard to guess height from 3rd person - flying with keyboard/mouse btw)

Ok I tested the function stuff with sleep. Now functions work with sleep. The error must have been on my side previously. I withdraw my point that sleep doesn't work in functions therefore. However this behaviour is in contradiction with some entries on the Biki regarding functions. So I guess those need corrections.

I didn't say it in "first place" because it's pretty clear that sleep cannot be allowed in a regular functions. Because it then can freeze the game for very long periods. A functions is there to perform a calculation or something that returns a value. This has to be done quickly so the script (or init-Line) that called it can continue with it's execution. If a script has to wait 60 seconds for a returning value because people use "sleep 60" in the function it can't continue (and as I understand it neither will the whole game continue) which obviously doesn't lead to the desired effect in most cases. What I think is most important to beginners is that we precisely define what we are talking about. There's nothing more confusing if you try to get into a "language" than unclear definitions and a lot of exceptions. (That's also why I could never really grasp French grammar). And calling everything in an .sqf file a function is very unclear. Because we have two different types of code that are stored in an .sqf file. So the only thing that the different codes in an .sqf file have in common is their syntax (and that is only by convention, as you can use the "SQF Syntax" also in .sqs files, and I didn't try it but probably any text file format will work). But we need to distinguish between those types of code that we store in .sqf files somehow because we cannot use all commands in both types. The sleep command is a perfect example. And it also helps us to decide if we need to "call" or "execVM" the file to not get a compiler error. ANd the most important aspect is probably that we must distinguish between the fundamentally different workings of those two types of code. The "script" can run paralelly with other scripts and the game while the "function" halts the game and they get executed sequentially.

Whats that got to do with anything? We are talking about executing a script with the three new Arma commands? Don't take my word, or anyone elses for that matter. Try the example I posted yourself. Oh and yes, always best to all of a post. it has to do with everything, because what you found is probably some very special case. But the sleep command won't work when you execute a regular "function" (<-- that's the word you used) so now we have the problem of terminology, I don't understand what you are saying. If you say function I must assume you mean an SQF function, called with the call command. Then you statement is not really correct. It works in your example but it doesn't work in any case I tried when the SQF Function was in a separate file as opposed to a constant of type code as in your example. Maybe the interpreter analyses the code constant and figures it must be an SQF script because sleep is used. I don't know. As I said it remains to be seen why this works and most other cases don't. However your statement could also mean that you talk about SQF scripts which behave differently from SQF functions but share the same syntax. Then we can use the sleep command of course. But how am I supposed to know what you are talking about when you just say "function" which is atm often misused and you also talk about using the sleep command which is only allowed in scripts (normally)

There we are again with the lack of clear terminology... now what you said is misleading - kinda. Because we can't use the sleep command in functions (as in a function that returns a value as it was used before in this thread). EDIT: just read your last comment in the other thread, so well. we still can't always use it It remains to be seen why it works in your example... But in the "normal" case we can only use sleep in what Kegetys called an SQF function in the other thread, as opposed to an SQF script which is a script that uses the SQF syntax - but it's not really a function.

Yes I think the definitions by Kegetys are great. If people agree with it it would be great if we could use this terminology on the Biki. Right now there are articles witch are confusing because it is a bit unclear what they mean with functions. Some used function as a synonym for an sqf file when I had a look a two days ago. However we need to make a clear distinction between SQF scripts and SQF functions. So it would be great if we could agree on a precise terminology.

correction, you can run execVM from an init field or a trigger etc. Didn't try it with spawn yet. if you assign the return value (of type script) to a variable then it will work. <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">foo = execVM "test.sqs"; EDIT: However what I'd like to see is that there would be some discussion about setting a clear terminology for dealing with all the new things. I don't have a big problem finding out if and how stuff works myself but the Biki is pretty confusing. Especially the term "function" has been used too generally IMHO. What we do need is to define what is a function, what is a script. And to define how to deal with the differences between OFP and Arma. Once we have a clear terminology I think the Biki will become much more informative.

I am not really sure what to think of this either. atm I think the terminology that is used is just confusing. Because you still got a lot of scripts ingame. But I think what is new is that they want you to use "new" (most of it was in OFP:R already) Control Flow Syntax instead of the old ?() : etc stuff. I think most of what they call function is not really a function but a script with the sqf syntax. At least for me a function is what you use with the call command and it should halt the program execution until it's done.

I've got this weird problem in the mission to retake Corazol (spelling?). I suspect it has to do with many units being on the map. The game runs smoothly (everything on low/very low) and I've got no slowdowns or such but there seems to be a major problem with recognising keyboard input under those circumstances. When I initiate any movement it doesn't stop. For example when I move forward (1xW) it won't stop once I release the key. it also doesn't stop when I hit any other movement key. I also can't switch to optics or change my position (prone/crouch/standing). But this happens with all kinds of movement as well as leaning or going sideways. It doesn't happen in other mission/the editor witch have less units on the map. I know my computer barely reaches the minimum requirements but it can't be that I can play the game smoothly and such an important part of the game fails. I rather have slowdowns/stuttering and such problems when I hit the performance limit of my computer than being unable to control the character because it doesn't recognise when I release a key. specs: Athlon 2600+ 512 MB DDR2 RAM Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB catalyst 6.9 Onboard Realtek AC97 soundcard dunno the drivers but I don't have any unknown sound issues anyway. ArmA 1.01 German DirectX 9.0c

haha I would not use such a list to get my point across... unless you're trying to make me laugh (wich you did btw) I mean besides that half of those countries don't even have troops in Iraq and that a majority of the population in those countries was against the war most of those countries don't have the economical or military power to make a difference. Also some countries "subscribed" to the "coalition of the willing" after they got some financial benefits for it witch doesn't make the trustworthy allies in my definition.

You mean that they haven't adopted a better reasoning for wars like national prestige, racial superiority and forcing our own political ideology on others? Like the superior western countries did in the meantime?

It is Switzerland. But it's not exactly every house but most Soldiers (we have mandatory military service) get to take their rifle at home witch results in a high gun/per citizen rate. But that's were the similarities with the US end so you don't really want to use it as an example.

I think what some people tried to say can be shown on this issue quite well. In the US it is a sensitive issue because it is in conflict with values founded in the major US religions. Obviously large parts of the US population see religion as a social issue. That's why they see the need implement religious issues into the law In Europe the trend is that religion is largely seen as a private issue. This means that religious values should not be regulated by law as this is an intrusion into people's privacy. People should have the possibility to freely choose their way of life in such matters and that law should merely regulate cases when such behaviour is involuntarily restricting the privacy of other people. This is not saying that Europeans don't have an opinion about such issues. They just increasingly feel that it's not the responsibility of the society (and it's representation in the government) to handle those issues.

Well and I think you focus on a minor point not really having much to do with the problem. The delicate thing is the action, not the result. If Israeli aircraft are shot at this will be a delicate situation. No matter if hit or not. And I think we all agree that we don't want such a situation.

this one AEAGIS? Nah really, how is this contributing to my point? I don't know what kind of Air defence capabilities those ships have and I don't really care. But I don't think the lessosn from the Falklands war went by unnoticed... We could get into a "M1 pwns Leo2" and vice versa type of discussion but I think that is that this site it for: http://www.militaryphotos.net My point is that provoking others is a risky thing and very delicate situations might arise.

Erm this discussion is totally silly. Nobody said Germany would go to war with Israel. Fact is that Israel keeps provoking the German forces and the Germans just let it happen. But if they don't stop they would risk that sooner or later someone is going to take defensive action wich could result in in the ships deploying their anti air weaponry. After all it is a highly risky move to lock the helicopter of the UNFIL commander with your weapons system. Under other circumstances that is enough to deploy defensive measures witch include the elimination of the threat (shooting down the jet that did it). Suggesting Germany want "to finish what they started 60 years ago" is a stupid and childish attempt to provoke a flamewar. Germany is there because Israel has asked European powers to take part in the UNFIL mission. It is very sad that now it is Israel that is offending those nations that came on Israel's call.

Well I'd say anyone who was in the military knows why those things happen. For one those people need to detach themselfs emotionally from such things to be able to kill other people when they have to. Killing people is not so easy for many people if they grew up in a "save" and "civilised" society like western Europe. And joking around with human remains helps a lot to get some emotional distance. And there's obviously also the "bragging" factor when you put a lot of men together. It is common knowledge that men do many stupid things when they "compete" with each other. I am not very surprised that this happened. We did a lot of "socially unacceptable" things as well during the conscription service. Although nothing like this. But we haven't been in a war zone then again I am sure there are a lot of even more tasteless pics around that haven't surfaced (yet). Now for one I cannot agree with those things and some pics are really tasteless. My civilised self is protesting. But I also find you cannot expect from Soldiers to behave to western European social standards if you send them out to eventually face combat where you want (?) them to kill "the opponent". Soldiers are not diplomats that talk like the Queen herself and wear tidy suits. They are the ones that do the dirty, ugly and disgusting things when diplomacy has failed. Considering the circumstances in this case I really don't think it is worth a hype. Apparently the Afghans don't give a shit about that. As it looks nobodies feelings got hurt and nobody got tortured or humiliated. Those soldiers should take more care who they give their pictures to

Well I used a thumb type for a few weeks and it's not that it is tiring but it's hurting my hand after a while. It's like the bones and muscles get all tangled up inside my hand and then I get stings combined with a general "dull" pain in the hand. I guess my hand just isn't made for this kind of movement... Btw, whoever mentioned laser mice were expensive. I actually went to buy the cheapest optical corded mouse with more than 2 buttons I could find and it was a Microsoft Laser Gaming mouse I simply bought it because it was the cheapest one that met my conditions and I was actually very surprised with its performance.

Well trackballs make my hand hurt after a while (at least the ones you pictured). I stick to my mouses. I bought a laser mouse lately and it is much more precise compared to my old optical and ball mouses. So I am quite happy with it.

and when exactly that happend ? Just go some pages back. I already commented once to you that I found your comments disgusting regarding the death of a human being. I can't be arsed to look up the exact date. I ? I suffer from double standarts ? the one who's suffering from double standarts is the world. Of course the world does suffer from double standards. Everyone does to some extend. But some people don't even try to be balanced. And stating that to kill human beings and then take trophy pictures with their bodies is ok and at the same time supporting criticism of others taking tasteless pics with skulls they found somewhere in the desert is beyond any limit of acceptable double standards. I don't recall anybody complaining about Israel "murdering innocent palestinians" in the last few postings. Your problem is that you jump to wrong conclusions way too quickly. But if you're not getting what we're complaining about you're really "beyond hope". Now you're getting absurd. No other nation has taken as much criticism for it's past as Germany (at least in the western world) in the last 60 years. Also criticism on Russia about Chechnya (and other things) is fairly ususal in all mainstream media where I live. Also France gets criticised for many things including Algeria. Same as Israel, USA, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Japan, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, South Africa, China and many more nations for various things they do or did... (But obviously I'm not complaining in the Middle East thread about the Germans putting my grandmother and her mother in a concentration camp and the communist russians robbing the rest of my grandparents of all their posessions.) and you think when I take a look at myself I'm suddenly going to find it ok that people do wrong things?

1. This is simply a disgusting mindset. But we've seen before that you find it funny when people get killed so it's not surprising. 2. If you think like that I wonder how you find it negative that the German soldiers were posing with Skulls from people that died many years ago from whatever cause... you make no sense... oh wait we've established before that you suffer from severe double standards.

No what? You don't even contradict with what I said. I don't care what your spokesmen/women say about it I say the reports by the German navy do not claim that shot were fired at the ship. Sources stating shots were fired at the ship are clearly misinformed.

German press/navy never claimed Israelis shot at a German ship, they claimed Israeli jets passed over the ship very low, firing flares and shots from the board cannon while over the ship. Your source is clearly very inaccurate.