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Sophion-Black, The problem with people today is that they think, everything should be in the Governments hands, whatever it may be. You are 100% correct. Another thing, Everyone seems to think that just because we are the World's Super Power, that a day after we go into combat, everything should be neat, clean, no casualties, no civilians hurt, etc... They obviously think War is easy. It is easier said then done. And about the statement, "The war has cost more lives then the 9/11 Attacks" Where are you? left field? Right field? Bleachers? Or what? The attacks were a one day thing. This war has been going on for a few years now. it is a WAR. Do you know what that is? We're in a war, fighting in a City. Fighting in a city is like fighting inside of an Ant Hill, constantly looking 360 degrees around you, because there is no front line. We're fighting terrorists, These people are willing and eager to kill Americans. Civilians alike. They do not care how or why. They will not stop either. Whether we pull out of Iraq or stay for the next year or so.. Do you think they will stop their attacks? If you do then you are pathetic and I'd hate to ever see you as a Country's Leader. This war should have been completed in 1991. But unfortunatly, we didn't. Now we are in a clonflict in which we don't have one option but, failure, or a long road to securing a Democracy in Iraq. I'm sorry that the likes of any democrat can't have his way overnight. if it weren't for our fucked up Media that shouldn't exist, or our retarded Politicians in this Country, we would be able to fight this war the way it's supposed to be fought.

The person that told me it was my father. He was there, in person. My grandfather worked for the Govt after serving an entire career in the US Army, and being highly decorated. Now, I can seriously see why you havnt gotten that degree. You don't know squat obviously about the things that happened during the Vietnam War, in Korea. US forces came under attack on MANY, MANY occasions in South Korea, when the North would send small rockets in to the S.Korean/US Compounds. Communications had to be moved like every month, due to the fact that North Koreans were constantly taking it out or trying to. South Korean Commandos shot down 110 of their own civilians huh? Wow.. Go get your degree. Better yet, Go to South Korea. www.google.com 304th Signal Battalion based in South Korea. They were in charge of Communications in South Korea at the time. Don't even begin to argue with me about the Conflict between North Korea and South/US Forces during the Vietnam War. I've heard many things about it, learned alot about it, and I've seen many pictures of it. It's funny and yet very obvious how blind people are and how they allow such things to bounce off their heads, choosing to not believe things that are of higher right then their own knowledge/opinions. I love Politics today. What a Joke they have become.

There was nothing scary about it. The point of that post is that, The US had to take alot of shit during Vietnam, in Korea. Everytime we were attacked, we couldn't defend ourselves. Why? because the North Koreans weren't "directly threatening to US forces in South Korea". Wtf came up with that rule? Politicians made too much money off the war in Vietnam, and kept their kids out of the Draft while many many many others had to go because their parents couldn't pay their way for their kids to get out of going. The Vietnam War was on the right foot at the start, but once politicians got their dirty little hands in on it, and stepped in, The War went to Hell in a hand bag. it turned into a Money making War and that was it. Our Military Forces weren't allowed to fight the War the way they wanted/were supposed to fight it. What this is pointing at is, Politics anymore, get a hold of way too many things at once, and create messes in which make it hard to get out of. Atrocities happen in every war. i don't care what country does it or how, Nobody is innocent. All sides do it in time of war reguardless. You have good and bad in each and every side.

Ralph, So what do you actually trully know about the Korean Conflict and Korea during Vietnam? i for one know quite a few things. my father served in Korea/Vietnam. I've been told several different factors on incidents that have happened during the Vietnam War, in Korea. like for instance, Can you find any info on The incident where 10 North Koreans hopped the border, hijacked a bus, rode through the city of Seoul with OUR M-60 Machine Guns, and killed 110 civilians, for no reason whatsoever. Our forces followed them, from quite a ways behind, The rok soldiers trapped them, by putting a half track with quad fifties on it, at each end of the Han River Bridge. Once they got on the bridge, the 2 Half Tracks opened fire on the Bus and tore it down to where nothing was left, finally the Bus exploded along with the ammo that was on it for the M-60's. Ever hear about that? Ever hear about the many attacks on US bases on the South during that era? Do you even know about half of that Conflict that was only covered in Stars & Stripes? Many Americans don't. MANY, Americans still today do not believe that we were in Korea, during the Vietnam War.

Ah, sometimes it can't be helped billybob. i know where you're coming from 100%. Cheers

No to b honest i have not. BUT, have you seen any of that for your own eyes? only those that have and have the experience of such things, can really judge what they want. people that were born and lived all their life with such freedoms, naturally can never understand what those kind of lives are like. I for one have watched many documentaries, about such things. Some people don't even believe the Holocaust happened, can people be that retarded? "Iran's Leader"

I respect other opinions, and beliefs. That is what our country is about and our Freedom after all. But, There is a limit to what people do or say. I mean, putting swastikas on pictures of Bush and calling him to be like Hitler, is obscure. If you could only see, for yourself what Hitler and his henchmen were trully like. And see for yourself with your own very eyes what Bush is, You could see quite the difference. Bush is a strong believer in The American Way of Life. he is strong in belief of our Rights & Freedom. He doesn't insult our troops, he compliments our troops every day. he admitted many things were wrong about Iraq. But can we just leave something that we started? no. Also, WWII was the last time we were freeing a foreign people? Where is your head? During Korea, we were stopping North Korea, from completely taking the South. During Vietnam, we were stopping the North Vietnamese Army, and the supported militias/VC Guerrillas from completely taking the South. South Vietnam along with South Korea wanted nothing to do with the North of both countries. They wanted our help and they wanted the Freedom. They never wanted the Communist way of life. Since the Korean War, we were still dealing with North Korea, right on up till the end of Vietnam. North Koreans even during Vietnam never thought of hopping the border, coming into Souel, hijacking a kimpshe bus, and using our weapons to mow down civilians in the streets, and then hurrying across the border before the rok soldiers could react. Why were we there during the Vietnam War? We couldnt fire back at the North Koreans even when our compounds were attacked. The reason we were never to officially fire at the North Koreans when they came across the border to attack civilians or anyone in the South is, We weren't "directly endanger". Money got politicians to shove the Geneva Convention up our asses and use it as a weapon against us. Anyways... Yeah maybe we don't have many conflicts that we were directly fighting for our own freedom, but we have been in quite a few where we were liberating an oppressed people. Point out another country on this shithole of an Earth, that specifically had a perfect reason for every War that they have enguaged in.

There are things about him that i do not like, but also things that I like. However, alot of people seem to think we should have the perfect Govt and/or the perfect President where everything the people want, they get. People always need things to gripe about, whether right or wrong.

We started off this war with not the amount of manpower we needed. It seems to be that, the more men we have, the more that can get done. Like, we have a shortage of troops that are training the Iraqi Army/National Guard. The one Colonel stated that, if we have more manpower in Iraq, we'll be able to concentrate more on the Iraqi Training, and missions of our own. Rather then splitting half and half and trying to get one done and not watching the other at the same time.

"He has opened up concentration camps for Muslims." --------------------------------------------------- what the fuck?

"and around the world, Bush is commonly compared to him." ----------------- That alone shows how much your side of the world really pays attention to History lessons. For fucks sakes. Did Bush Want the "Perfect German Race" ? Did Bush want to completely destroy any sort of "racial problem" ? Did Bush intentionally for the sake of Power, invade many different countries across Europe?. if you can find these sources of proof, I'd really love to see them. Were you around to witness Hitlers Reign of Terror? Most likely not. I'd love to see people in Europe during that time period who hated Hitler, compare him to Bush today. I can't believe anyone from the Euro world would even say anything like that. Remember, Hitler basically ruled a big part of Europe at the time, and almost the UK. I don't see Bush ruling and/or dominating any other countries. He is the Commander & Chief of the United States America. He doesnt wear any sort of symbol as a fearful symbol. He doesnt have the incentive of whiping out an entire race, nor does he have the intention on World Domination. Maybe some of you wanna see us Dominate the World some day. God forbid the world isnt perfect. Whatever would you do if you had nothing to complain about.

Sophion-Black, I love your points of view. You are a very intelligent individual. BUT, talking to this lot and getting them to see any light is like talking to a wall. Sophion-Black, as for your comment on, "sleeping under a rock" hell, I don't think he's ever come out of the caves yet. As for Israel being threatened... Uh, you say I don't have knowledge? You've got very little common sense my little friend. A threat for Israel to be whiped off the map is a threat enough let alone an attack. I would hate to see you a leader of any country. Maybe our President isn't perfect. Maybe our Govt isnt always right. BUT, Reguardless, A war cannot be "Illegal" there is nothing in the Criminal Justice/Law Enforcement saying that Declaring a War on Terrorist Organizations "Illegal". Oh I'm sorry. I'll go declare war on a Country illegally. You're not going to get your flashlight and badge out and chase me down now are you. Bush stated after 9/11. You're either with us or Against Us" I can't see where that could have been put any better. I love how, these countries out there do not believe in what the terrorists did to us on 9/11, But as soon as we want to retaliate in any way against them, they think we're wrong? Rofl, Please. As for Israel being able to take Iran. it can be very well done. Once Anti-Aircraft defenses are taken out, Communications Equipment destroyed, and Power. When that is done, You've basically crippled their Military Structure. Look at the Gulf War. Every bridge we destroyed, Every militarized Target that existed, we hit. our planes were even coming back with their payloads, because they ran out of targets. Same thing with this war, We collapsed their Military again, By Air. Do you not think Israel has those capabilities? because they do. Who was it that said US Air Force isnt exactly smart? or whatever it was about targets? Yeah? Well tell me what Air Force is absolutely perfect, never missing targets etc... along with intelligence. Nothing is Perfect, but we're damn close.

2nd front? we've already got two. Remember Afghanistan? You know.. that Country that we invaded and gave hell after 9/11? You know, the country the Soviets invaded?. Sorry, seems like many people forget that we are still in Afghanistan. But aside from that, If Israel wants to strike Iran. Let them do it, for once we shouldn't interfere with that. Israel is tired of sitting around taking shots from several countries. Israel was directly threatened by Iran. Iran's prime Minister specifically stated, numerous times, "Israel needs to be whiped off the map" That's provoking enough to start something right there. I wouldn't feel bad if Israel blackened the skies over Iran for the next 50 years, and force them to re-invent the friggin wheel. Israel has every right to defend itself. As for us Americans, We should let Israel do it. We shouldn't stop them for a second. Would we HAVE to help Israel? No we wouldnt. Their forces are plenty capable of a strike on Iran. BUT, If we do set Iran in its heels. We have plenty of opportunities and ways of doing so. I guess we'll see what happens when the ball gets rolling.

Sure find every way you can around his being in the KKK. I'll wait and see what kind of remarks pop up for the next thing or "dirt" found on Bush or any of his supporters. I'm sure someone could possibly find something, just to make a dig at us. After all, The "Democrats" are supposably the ones that could change everything here. pfft. Ok. Oh and Messiah? I never once said my family was innocent, now did I. No. But nobody in my family believes in Racism either.