Polymath820
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Overclocking my i5-3570k from 3,4 GHz to 4,5 GHz gave me ~25 % FPS boost. I invested about €30 to proper CPU cooler (HR-02 Macho) to make sure that CPU won't overheat when it's stressed. Base performance was already (relatively) high. €/% ratio was almost 1, which can be considered extremely good cost-effectiveness.Did you not read what I said? In the 1980's - 1990 there was a "300%" performance increase from chips. Now we have this silly "doubling law" (Moores Law) 25% is mediocre, 15% is mediocre and 30% is mediocre when all said and done. I remember reading in the 1980's overclocking was much more involved than just "soft-overclocking" because when all said and done soft is still soft.
Overclockers then had to physically remove the clock oscillator chip and replace it with a faster one.
And Again, overclocking is dangerous, CPU's use very low voltages and, changing them, is not exactly safe, because the more voltage you add the higher the current throughput and higher current if hitting a point of danger levels results in more resistance and the other thing is the current being drawn in PC circuits has to be very small as there is a relationship that resistance = resistivity × length / area (R = rho * l / A) that the resistance decreases with larger area PC's are already under a fair amount of strain with the tiny wire's and electro-plated lines there is so many things that can go wrong.
P.S: http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/CDA/16plus/copelech2pg1.html
As stated as the resistivity of the material increases with higher temperatures. P.D / potential difference in DC circuits namely "PC's" is a constant relationship due to the square-wave consistent voltage peaks will result in more heat. And even that being said the "Ultra-overclocking groups" with liquid nitrogen silicon has a nasty habit of if you get it too cold the silicon goes super-conductive and the CPU gets "cold bugs". And crashes. something in the order of -185*C, I'd overclock but... the risks are too high and performance gains are minimal even if 20% increase is the difference between playable and unplayable.
My CPU is already clocked to a 200 * 33 multiplier and a maximum clock wattage peak of 118W for 1.0 seconds it is not recommended to change nor tweak this value because higher wattage peak times will generate more heat. As it is already over the TDP of 95W and I have been recommended by multiple computer stores DO NOT over-clock ever. As I said overclocking for a 25% performance boost. It is no use, we are fighting a losing battle as expressed by Amadahl's Law the more cores you bolt together it will not mean faster performance as a whole the CPU is going to be limited by the number of "physical CPU's / Cores" and when you get to the 2000 core count more cores you lose more and more parallel portions of the code, not to mention a lot of the programming has to as I stated in other posts "serialised". So even if you speed up the clock you are still going to be limited. By the programming and the serialisation of the code in-order to do operations which otherwise would be parallel. And lifehacker also states that they overclocked a 2.9Ghz CPU to 3.8Ghz with a 3.7% increase. in 3Dmark11
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Also a side-note contrary what people believe cross-firing in general won't improve game-performance overall. Because what happens when you "crossfire" it links 2 video-cards together. Crossfire like Nvidia's SLI is limited I think "A guess" 1GB/s and when crossfired the PCI-E slot you have either 2.0 or 3.0 is limited to a set of values. your 16X will be connected to another PCI-E slot and come down to 8X (2 SLI / Crossfired) and then 4X (3 SLI / Crossfired) and then 2X (4 SLI / Crossfired) the bandwidth of a crossfire / SLI bridge does not come even remotely close to a PCI slot. so mathematically it is expressed like this when 16X we are talking about the number of "data lanes" in 2way crossfire a PCI-E 2.0 slot will operate at 528MB/s per lane, so that is 528MB/s*8 = 4224MB/s then 3 way is 528MB/s * 4 = 2112MB/s then 4-way 528 * 2 = 1056MB/s almost equal to that of a Crossfire / SLI bridge. which is 1GB/s so the data is transferred between cards but we have another problem All these slots are trying to "talk to the CPU" and if you are using nearly all the bandwidth on the slots.... lets just say to get the "maximum performance" you need to analyse each component's bandwidth, clock speed and latency. etc. but SLI / Crossfire I personally think is best in "non-real-time environments" Where as I said more SLI / Crossfire bigger area for signals to travel. Therefore higher latency higher response time from the CPU to the PCI slots.
This is also an issue in http://www.mcorewire.com/2012/03/02/the-death-of-cpu-scaling-from-one-core-to-many-%E2%80%94-and-why-we%E2%80%99re-still-stuck/
Amadahls law
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Amdahl_s_law.html
"In any parallelized program, performance is ultimately limited by the amount of serial code (code that can only be executed on one processor)."
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Disable the mods? Goto expansions you'll find a button that says "enable or disable" hit disable on all of them but "Arma 3".
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I have an I5-2400 Sandy bridge probably going to upgrade to an I5-3570 Ivy Bridge. I get 24 FPS don't worry a lot of people are experiencing issues. And I don't have a weak video-card exactly a GTX 650 OC 2GB Gigabyte. An interesting note doing some small scale experimenting CPU usage nearly quadroupled when I limited the video-ram to 638Megabytes. But no FPS improvement. Yes I tried to Starve Arma 3 of Video memory -_- just to see what happened.
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No more calling it unoptimised give over... Arma 3 is fine, it's what people are trying to do with it... There is something built into arma 3 something called "simulation manager" when you leave an area a "client" it stops simulating that area until the client comes back so people are trying to run missions with hundreds of AI without any sort of "management" therefore the result is the FPS drops. Arma 3 from what I can see was never designed to have hundreds of AI everywhere. All being simulated at once. You'll find it in the map editor under modules "Simulation Manager" "Distance which objects will stop being rendered" default: 2000Meters. Sync your objects you want to hide with it and they will stop being simulated as soon as the client leaves the area. Thereby "Halting all the "animations, FSM's, etc. being run on peoples PC's".
That being said, I wonder if bohemia ever looked at "Unigine"
Maybe, they could talk with bohemia? Unigine is a map of 258KM * 258KM.
64,000,000 square meters. Arma 3 ? Whats more they've got a game on IOS running it... what in the heck... and yes Unigine is running REAL TIME
The amazing part of this engine is you actually see the "plants" being independent of their parent models and can distort. Shimmering similar to how real-trees do in real-life.
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Don't worry I've heard of people running this game on Ultra with I3's and some have I7's and it can't run. I think it might be a code-bottleneck somewhere the same as battlefield 4 had in beta and still has. No idea where but somewhere. Maybe this animation re factoring will improve things.
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Yeah I know about L1 L2 and L3 caches, but they are very small and the reason they are so fast is because they are built into the CPU die itself. But I don't think loading 512KB into a L1 cache is going to make much of a difference.
This is something to note Extreme tech are a vaild source as with ieee.org as with phys.org
More and more cores makes the task more and more complex as even though we have more cores we have a real problem. Before data can be processed it has to be "serialised" all data going in and out of a CPU is either broken into threads by serialising and each core given a thread or we have the case of a GPU which has thousands of cores all doing things. The complexity keeps going up and up the more cores you add and the more hell it is for programmers. As It says a 300% processor speed increase from 1980 - 1990 so, it's not the chips, the programmers haven't caught up yet. Sure we have CPU's nano-meter size decreasing but that only increases the transistor "density" which is "supposed" to increase speed I don't know about you but I question that statement.
I'm waiting patiently to see how AMD's APU's perform.
On the side note yeah Sneakson, you overclock and a lot of the time with over-clocking you will spend money on a cooler, and the funny thing is, people buy water-cooling and even through the "methyl-ethylene-gylcol" is added to increase the heat conduction water still has the limitation of it's "heat capacity" it will stay the same. And radiators are just down right inefficient. And then you've got nitty gritty details such as the type of material used for the radiator and the "overall" surface area of the radiator e.g the cooling fins which are normally made out of copper of aluminium as they conduct heat well, then you've got another problem of blowing air over the radiator. In an ideal environment to get the maximum cooling efficiency you would have a high CFM (Cubic Feet per Minute) also in metric M^3 * t meters cubed by time, but high CFM / High,air-pressure fans are loud.
Saw on some overclocker forum a guy used Pelter units to cool the water. Thermo-electric coolers.
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The chips are worth a lot. Particularly the fact that I know what metals the chips are made of. I don't like joining the cyclical consumption of electronics, just look at the environmental disasters computer graveyards are due to developed countries. I prefer to look after my PC and maintain it. I am still debating whether or not I want a new CPU / RAM I do blender 3D cycles renders. And a few other GPU intesive things. Such as image compositing. I mean spending $450 for a CPU when you compare an I7 to an I5 side by side There is only a 12% improvement over an I7 vs an I5. Video-processing and workstation oriented tasks are best for an I7 games, not so much. Telling lies, not even remotely I have even read a definitive article in PCAuthority benchmarking components. There is always only a marginal improvement in frame-rate that is not worth the hassle. And if you call me poor
"A fool and his money are soon parted" Not only that but from 2011 1% decrease in PC component sales, 2013 14% decrease based on current predictions computer electronics industry is heading for a market crash.
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It is actually because arma 3 uses 3 types of compression DXT1 DXT3 and DXT5 the most compressed I think is DXT1 oh nvm you are using DXT1 yeah all .paa files are non-lossy compression format meaning nothing is removed in the way of bits and bytes. You can use JPG or JPEG but they are considered lossy compression algorithms a lot of the "data is removed" in the compression process. Meaning you get pixilation, when you try to overlay the image on a model.
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That is the main reason. TGA format is an intermediary between TexView 2 and Photoshop. In TexView 2 you can actually save the .paa files you opened using .png file format and tga. I personally prefer PNG but the arma 3 engine only supports TGA,PAA.JPG and ah I remember now .PAC
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Did you not notice what clock speed? That CPU was at? 2.9 Ghz ramped up to 3.8Ghz and increase of nearly 1Ghz and only showed on 3Dmark a slight increase 6375 to 6549 It is marginal at best. The numbers do not lie. But overall a 3.7% increase so if your baseline frame-rate is at 35 overclocking only gives you. Approximately 1.30 Frames extra. Frankly CPU speeds are water under the bridge since 1980 - 1990 we saw a massive increase in CPU speed and performance 300% ... Not 12% and 20% like we see now. More cores != faster system , faster clock speed != faster system / better frame rates. OC'ing is just a complete waste of time and defeats the purpose of an intel CPU anyway which is to get a good performance out of a chip that is power-efficient. It is risky, and reduces the life of the CPU considerably. Because you are running it at higher voltages and higher clock speeds than what it is designed for. And higher clock speed results in higher current draw and from higher current draw you generate more heat. And it's a horrible relationship higher the temperature of a semi-conductor the less efficient it is. Due to the resistivity curve getting sharper and opposing current within the CPU.
And I know this for a fact as I have spoken to many people with overclocked systems. They live a lot shorter life.
I am also into HPC technology
To be frank I kind of knew the RAM clock speed would be effecting the game due to the fact the CPU has to come down to the speed of the RAM and Synchronise with it to transfer data so your 3.8Ghz CPU if you have a 1600Mhz RAM stick will force the CPU to equalise with the RAM speed. at 1.6Ghz with a CPU running at 3.8Ghz therefore decreasing the overall transfer speed, I also suspected it was something to do with either bandwidth or clock speed. Seeing as arma 3 is a "real-time rendering" higher clock speeds and transfer of data / information in and out of components should result in a higher frame-rate as the "on-the-fly processing" is what counts not the "RAW RAM or the RAW GDDR5 video-ram"
Maybe I'll wait for DDR4 and Broadwell chips to come out, certain hope Intel does not release a "BGA socket only" *shudders* I like my LGA... also sadly you say "faster RAM" not all "motherboards" are compatible with RAM that runs at 2.8Ghz, they just are not and you have to get "compatible" overclocked RAM for it to work you can't just buy a stick or 2 of OC'd RAM and put it into your motherboard expecting it to work, my motherboard like many other peoples motherboards are locked to a speed mine is 1333Mhz RAM so even if I put in a 2.8Ghz RAM unit or 2 in I will never see it. As the motherboard is non-compatible.
You need to check your motherboards documentation to find out which RAM is compatible.
http://www.msi.com/file/test_report/TR10_2489.pdf
If you don't use compatible RAM this happens. My current RAM is set to 667Mhz locked. Corsair select RAM sticks that are "non compatible". Whats worse your "Chipset" in my case a B3 Intel P35 has to be compatible with the RAM as well.
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So tired of people saying "Ohhh over-clock your CPU" I am not overclocking for a 3.7% performance increase, not worth the risk and not worth the gain.
Really 3.7% performance increase taking a 2.9Ghz CPU to a 3.8Ghz nearly 4Ghz
GPU? Nope 8.7% performance increase? So really how much value is over-clocking. Null zip zilch.
so both tweaks combined if you are getting 32FPS is 4.56 frames... < Really that's worse than bad.
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It is weird that arma 3 has poor FPS and battlefield 4 in beta suffered largely poor FPS. And the even more interesting part is the CPU and GPU maxed out. This was occurring in beta and is still occurring in release. Even with people having really highend systems. So arma 3 uses little to no CPU / GPU and Battlefield 4 super-stresses your video-card and CPU / GPU with no FPS boost.
Battlefield 4
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955065218037193389/6/
Arma 3
http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?147533-Low-CPU-utilization-amp-Low-FPS/page270
So where is the problem? it's not the hardware it can't be but that being said battlefield 4 is a New engine arma 3 isn't yet they suffer the same issues?
Why? Is the engine at fault? Is it the game? Is it some code "bottleneck". Any "decent answer would be appreciated"
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1. How do I get a function to run?
2. How do I correctly compile a piece of code?
Because this code:
screwed = {
_null = _this
_CreateBAmbient = createGroup west;
_getMarkerPosition = markerPos "FormVehAnchor1";
for [{_i=0},{_i<=3},{_i=_i+1}] do {
_UnitsObj = createVehicle ["B_Heli_Transport_01_camo_F",_getMarkerPosition,"",0,"FLY"];
};
};
does not work even if I have in the init.sqf:
_fnc = Compile preprocessFileLineNumbers "AmbientHelicopter.sqf";
it won't run the script when I call the "screwed" function at all it just says "undefined variable";
3. How do I use the preprocessFileLineNumbers
4. Does arma 3 ever get code "ghosts" or "ghosts in the machine" from repeated running of a script?
5. Is there anyway to destroy a sound after it has been created on a playSound3D position? When a vehicle gets destroyed?
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I think 72,000RPM is not quite right, I don't think SAS drives even run that fast don't you mean 7,200RPM? I also started thinking I wonder if this problem is not what the CPU or the GPU are doing but what the Northside Bridge and the Southside bridge are doing on the motherboard and the FSB to the CPU I wonder if people who get great FPS have a fast FSB because I know for a fact I have a 100Mhz FSB but the "really high performance ones" have 400Mhz+ meaning it can shunt data to and from the CPU in larger quantities.
Everyone post your FSB clock speed and northbridge.
"Northbridge typically connnects CPU, RAM, BIOS ROM, and PCI Express (or AGP)" The northbridge speed is key to the systems communication to and from all of the "high speed components"
The Southside Bridge communicates with the HDD etc (Low speed components)
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I never have that sort of thing running in the background I know how to use cmd.exe netstat -a -b tells me all active ports and processes also -d fully qualified domain name. I know which ports are open. Kaspersky does do a lot of "loopback talk" on port 1110 don't know if that would cause issues. Also the "freeware" I use isn't dangerous Malwarebytes has a Digital Signature that is vaild so does the other tools.
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Before anyone says anything about my PC "being untidy"
It has windows scheduler configured to:
sfc /scannow
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth
Defragment the HDD reguarly
There is No crapware on my PC at all. Ever.
There is a scheduled download / update time of windows updates and after that it will do a /shutdown using windows command scheduler
Video-drivers are set to automatic update no matter what
Motherboard drivers as well.
Antivirus is religiously kept upto date.
I also have a very big toolkit for getting rid of persistent system infections list includes but not limited to:
Spybot SND 2.0 (Portable)
Kaspersky TDSS Killer (Portable)
Malwarebytes Free (Antimalware)
Malwarebytes Anti-rootkit
Kaspersky Rescue disk (Linux antivirus environment)
Sophos Free tool
HijackThis
Trendmicro rescue disk as well
....
etc.
I am sort of wondering if it could be my antivirus. Which is Kaspersky Internet Security 2014 it does active memory checks all the time but the CPU load is minimal when it does them I also have
"Gaming profile" enabled which should suspend the high disk or cpu load activities.
Because using a advanced process explorer it tells me my antivirus has upwards of over 3210 Handles. On threads.
Will post back after testing Arma 3 Mark: (Pending)
Stratis Mark: 23FPS Average
Altis Mark: Ok this is just wtf... Altis gets more FPS than Stratis: Average FPS 29
Goal if I could run everything on ultra with 30 - 35 FPS I am happy. It is more than smooth enough then. I don't really care about an FPS above "enjoyable experience". It is when my FPS gets raped when moving around certain places it's not fun.
Side Note: I noticed objects seem less Aliased when you increase the "render sampling size".
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I am using blender 3D and am studying / researching a considerable amount of information. Currently doing tutorials on rigging etc. A lot of the Diffuse maps I understand including "progressive damage" maps no I am talking about using Blender 3D's rigging then exporting it to an RTM file then putting everything together piece by piece. I've also been experimenting with rendering UVmaps with CyclesEngine. What I need to know is a "guide" from start to finish what to configure LOD's are easy to understand just the documentation from porting through O2 to Blender 3D and back is a pain. I am also doing tutorials into animating. Rigging I understand a "Posing" I understand I can work most of that out and using "grab / mirror modifiers to maintain a symmetrical object (Although in the context of humans you wouldn't want a completely perfect model one leg or arm being slightly longer or shorter / wider is a characteristic that defines humans symmetrical objects are too "perfect" where as humans have imperfections. UVmaps are easy to understand is there any specific way to make it the same as a "plastic model" and label each UVmap component with an ID'ing system? Modeling is not hard you start with a "primitive" also called "fleshing out in the drawing world" and you build up the complexity. Progressively. It's just remembering a large quantity of controls within blender is a pain.
I already have a list of things I need to do in-order to get the exo-skeleton etc to work. Including the HUD I need to create a "Mouse point tracking" and object tracking.
There is too many questions I need to ask.
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How to set up rigging in blender 3d for arma 3
How to configure UVmaps for arma 3 images?
How to set up O2 to work correctly as it keeps failing to start in "buldozer mode";
How to set fabric components e.g the deforming of material on a character object
How to set up rvmats and other files necessary.
How to determine where all the bits go on your UVmaps
How to correctly set up the Models to animate etc.
How to import RTM ad dons to Splendid viewer?
I need answers to these and more.
Because I am toying with the idea of an arma 3 "War of tomorrow" pack which includes.
New vehicles (exo suit non game breaking meaning battery dependencies, weak points such as actuator joints and heads up display)
Possibly new weapons (unknown)
Possibly advanced body armour meaning hard light armour with fabric joins between the armour (requires rigging) ( Advanced)
New map? Don't know about this one.
Friend foe identifier system (equipment)
Custom particle effects for vehicle exhausts such as 'helijets' explosions etc
Satellite uplinks that can be disrupted idea based off u.s's new high bandwidth com link system. But more futurised.
That's just a view ideas
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Reskinning is not easy when you do not have access to the Uvmaps and they are inside the model. That is what I need in order to reskin it correctly. Uvmaps are the model in u v x and y axis which when wrapped for a 3d models textures. Unwrapped they tell you where all the texture components go.
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Hmmm... Is it a router a switch or a hub? if it is a hub the hub only communicates in half duplex meaning in or out not in and out.
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First of all you have a 32bit operating system. So that 8GB of RAM you have will never get accessed or used windows uses about 2GB of RAM for The OS alone. 32bit OS you have
System specs required for Windows 7
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows7/products/system-requirements
Also you have 32bit windows therefore 32bit drivers and 32bit DxDiag is required windows tries to find a 64bit directX version in your nvidia folder it then switches to the 32 bit file to version directX try running just DxDiag.exe not DxDiag64.exe
The most simple solution is to Verify steam cache to do this
Method:
1. Goto your games library
2. Right click on "arma 3"
3. Goto "properties'
4. At the top of steam properties select "Local files"
5. In local files hit the button that says. Verify steam integrity cache. Then try the game.
Next in the directX installation directory of arma 3 and select "Run as administrator by going into the directX folder and find dxsetup.exe right click "Run as administrator". Windows has issues with permissions controls. Even if you run something as administrator.
Another thing you can do is look in windows for Bloatware, Adware these can be quite benign but they can also be dangerous for example a guy in the community I am in. He had his system core .dll's deleted. Now his system is faulty. To be honest to work out your problem fully we start in the OSI model as a general idea. where we look at you applications, then windows engine then drivers then low level communication then hardware.
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The CPU under load is running at 3.4Ghz but it adaptively changes that speed changing from 3.1Ghz to 3.4Ghz checked it with turbo boost monitor under full load my CPU goes up to 60*c and this heat wave is not helping gone up to 64*c when I had my GTS 450 it was able to run arma 3 quite we'll only draw back is it pushed the +12V rail to 12.8V which was over the +-20% tolerance ratio resulting in the motherboard hitting 80*c killing my WD caviar green now have a caviar blue.
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It is A3's models I need because I need access to the Uvmaps to work out where all the textures go on guns I just wanted to add a bunch of additional camouflages to weapons etc... I am not sure if Bohemia allows this because the modding licence appears to have changed stating " you may edit, distribute content under the provisor you do not use any security methods or restrictions to the arma 3 content given you do not profit from them or gain and endorse a product. I also would like to open the flashlight attachment textures etc I want to make a tactical light... The weapon UVmaps are invaluable because otherwise I can't add the textures to any weapons until I unwrap the Uvmaps.
CPU and GPU overclocking does sweet f a.
in ARMA 3 - TROUBLESHOOTING
Posted · Edited by Polymath820
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69.0*C... you are kidding the actual heck...
http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/intel-core-i5-2500k-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3_70-ghz
Tcase = 72.6°C you are 69.0 - 72.6 = 3.6*C off the maximum temperature of your CPU... you are looking to fry it getting that close to the T-case threshold. Lets not forget ambient temperature. affects your overall systems temperature... as well a 30*C room will result in much higher temperatures than that. And it may not be the "CPU" operating at all but how long you have been running it, for 3 years running it that close to it's maximum operational temperature you have already probably caused damage. Without even noticing.
CPU BBQ anyone?