Xalteva
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If you google a bit, cant find the video again, you will find enlarged slow motion videos where you see how the bullet penetrates the vest (exit) at his chest. There are air turbulences (dust) caused by the bullet which you see even in the standard video.What i saw on that video actually, was the "bullet" (if there was one) hitting next to the policeman, the angle is too steep as well for your theory.
And anyway, on the official version he was shot in the head:
In their killing spree, the attackers had shot a few minutes earlier a maintenance staff of the building on the ground floor, Frédéric Boisseau, 42 years. A second wounded policeman Ahmed Merabet, will be completed by a bullet in the head while trying to stop release of the killers, a little later, Boulevard Richard-Lenoir.from:
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Because you know exactly the type of ammo they used, and I guess you also conducted the autopsy; as you seem so secure.And again, what's your point: was it a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy? Was also the NSA involved?
Wait, were them some cover SEAL operatives payed by Israel and ordered by Marine Le Pen to create an anti-Muslim reaction?
Come on man, we already asked you politely a good amount of times to drop your imaginative conspiracies. More than anything because it's a disrespect to the victims and to our fellow French forum members who are having quite a f... up time.
In case you misunderstood my point, i didn't say that there are no victims, those journalists died for sure, now the circumstances is another story! And bring me one post on this forum in which i accused jews or masons of anything! trying to make fun of my opinions is really cheap ... but anyway, i don't continue this discussion, many people here have a TV inside their heads.
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What are you talking, everyone in Europe knows about the smuggling of weapons, drugs and people from Africa to the continent it's been for dozens of years.Ask specially to Greeks, Spaniards and Italians.
But still, you are struggling to find a real info about it :D
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about no-blood conspiracy - on video in slow motion it is vissible dust from concrete , maybe terrorist missed head/body of policeman and policeman fainted from schock/noise or what ? we do not have authopsy - where are bullet holesmaybe someone of them was using sport version of AK (.22), i seen sport AK - it looks the same as regular AK, magazine is half-empty, i seen .22 long AK,
they also not shoot serie - maybe it is sport-use single AK, also matter is type of projectile , not all projectiles tear of skull and rip brain apart from head after shooting , there are subsonic AK rounds too - they are slow speed (to act with silencer) and they have 50 or 40% of energy of AK round (there is 40% of powder, to keep velocity < 320 m/s to attach silencer, cause in real life, not in games - supersonic ammo doesn't work with silencers, you need special weakened ammo), ammunition prepared to be used with silencer will not tear apart head like some AK rounds do or full rounds do, anti-armor (armor piercing) bullet also will not tear head apart (such bullets are made to fight with bulet proof personel), cause armor piercing steel core round will not act like lead soft bullet, also civilian market rounds are weaker (full lead), most of those gore effects like head torn apart is caused by special projectiles (similar to dum dum) from full speed rifles (FAL, G3, SVD) and AK if dum-dum like ammo is used (mafia executions videos)
also on this video - something happens with hand of policeman, maybe he was hit in hand ?
for sure i see concrete reaction on projectile on slow motion video which is called conspiracy show
Keep pulling dude ... he was already down on the ground, so they shot him most likely from distance, if a bullet can take down a policeman from a 30m meters distance (you wanna play the kevlar card ?) it should be powerful enough to go through his head and spill blood on the ground.
And, the sound of that gun was really powerful which brings down your theory anyway.
it's not only no blood ... no recoil, no muzzle flash (well yeah) ...
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On the first article i stopped at "from Turkey to the East African nation of Djibouti." :P
I guess you know about piracy in eastern Africa ... and yeah it's a very dangerous area there, US has even deployed frigates there.
Concerning the second article, the title is a bit misleading but there is nothing talking about Africa to Europ weapons smuggling! I would be surprised because there was no mediatic explosion concerning this matter ... i magine Europeans reaction if they knew that smuggled weapons are entering their soil :D
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Not one of the attackers, one linked to the suspects. Seriously stop reading so much conspiracy BS....Seriously dude, i have an opinion that will not change, and i am trying to defend it, i am not forcing you to believe it or so, if you have some answers throw them in here, otherwise stop telling me what should i read and what not ... If i wanted to hear official story,i wouldn't have discussed this here.
The guy's name was mourad hamyd and it was said he was the 3rd guy driving the car, and his classmates reported that he was at school that morning (beside the fact that he was a kind person),he is still under arrest
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I understand your point. But it's extremely complicated to remove someone's citizenship, in some countries it's even forbidden. And even more difficult to deport them, as their origin countries may not want them to come back, specially if they are already nationals of another country.The terrible truth is that, there's no way to remove completely the thread, specially if we want to keep our values.
Some measures could be implemented like longest prison times for terrorists, but it's the same like rapists and others; technically once they have finished their time in prison, they are officially "clean".
The ones that smuggle drugs and weapons to Europe use really fast and good boats, nothing compared to illegal immigrants. When I lived in the North of Spain I saw how the "Guardia Civil" ( Paramilitary Police in Spain ) catch some of those boats in Galicia ( yeah, they went "flying" over the sea from Morocco to Northen Spain ).
Just check how many weapons and drugs are smuggled through the US-Mexico Border, which is one of the best guarded in the World.
I have been to north africa, it's not some kind of somalia or so, security there is very high and there are no weapons around at all.
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in big european city it is easy to disappear, because streets are narrow, if someone use very popular car it is easy to drive such car which is popular and police is not checking everyone similar - to not be called nazi or racist ;) people in USA cooperate with police and report strange things, in europe in some cities there are no-go zones controlled by imigrants, sharia , where even police afraid to walk init is politicall correctness blindness of the western europe naivity
do you know how many boats from Africa swim to coasts of south of Spain or Italy ?
not all boats are checked, it is not big problem for terrorist organization to smugle few AK, when you have devoted members who will risk life for it,
AK is not big huge thing to hide, AKMS is 2 feet long
I can't believe you managed to pull this ... were you even trying to be reasonable ? terrorists from Africa, bringing AKS on small boats ?? they die most of the time before even reaching the shore.
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You can't compare the usual European offenders with Muslim extremists trained in Syria.For the same reason even if European Terrorist organizations could got huge amounts of explosives they didn't use them to blow trains, metros and public buses.
Yes, for obvious reasons :D
By the way, one of the attackers was at school during the attack according to his classmates, he went to the police by himself ... it's starting to collapse already!
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Why? Fact is that offenders know that if they use assault weapons they would be in deep trouble if they get caught.It's cool, so that's why they were yelling allahu akbar and carrying their ID cards with them ?
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There is a contradiction between your two last statements :
"and if you want to keep track of all those who had links with the jihadist, we wouldn't have enough police officers in all Europe."
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"It's relatively easy inside the EU to get assault weapons, even machine-guns... Remember that there's no border controls inside the whole Schengen."
This means that Europ should be like some kind of Wasteland, where everyone is deathmatching with AKs ...
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I'll add the answer to your PM here:But that web "report" you shared with me it's false.
You can check in this other pic of the car, that the car indeed has silver paths in the mirrors. Just that in some angles they are hard to see.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...25307970-1.jpg
And the pic of the journalist with the vest doesn't seem to be related to this piece of news. As you can see armed men in the back.
On the police officer dead, the pics of the scene are from seconds after the injury, without allowing the injury to bleed. We also don't know what kind of bullets where they using, probably hollow point which is meant to cause internal bleeding instead of external.
So no, no more conspiracy theories please.
Good to see that you allow yourself some "analysis" while everyone yells conspiracy when i do so :)
Sorry, the car plates are not the same, they are as shiny as the front of the car which is actually chromed (you need to watch the video to see it clearly). And there are no armed guys in the journalist photo, i can look for that video for you.
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Of course you can be a disrespectfull dick if you want but you will most likely end on my ignore list and I think others here will join me in that.Maybe some respect from you first ...
I PM'ed both of you.
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Ok it's time to gain the "Banned" achievement on this forum, going to join the rest :D
(No recoil , no blood and no body movement while shooting a damn AK)
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Please keep your conspiracy theories out of here, thanks.What if i start showing you some ?
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Apparently, there are many incoherences in all this story ... stay tuned, it will start falling soon :D
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Because we don't know much more than what was already posted and I think it's NOT the right time to "throw ideas around" .Also because I'm still in shock, I've been reading this newspaper for 10 years and I lost friends today
Well sorry mate ... trust me, it makes me feel bad as well, just thinking about consequences! i shut up for now.
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10 years from now it will still be unforgotten, like I said you don't a fucking clue of what you're talking about.Leave this damn thread alone and go spread you conspiracy BS elsewhere.
You haven't said anything useful yet ... i am waiting for you to tell me what i don't know.
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Yeah of course, we all know that you tried to say that they were mercenaries paid by the Front National.But we don't share your agenda. We just comment on the news and with the facts that have been shown.
In fact after this awful event, it makes me sad how some people try to make agenda of it.
No, No and no, go read again my comment, completely the contrary of what i have said ...
And ofcourse, you think politicians have your kind heart ? they will try to take advantage of this in many ways, and that's what i was explaining, some parties may take the defence of the muslim community, using the nationalists' bad intentions argument :) and yes it's my theory, only future events can proved it to be right or wrong, and i am not trying to convicne anyone.
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Yeah, they were just shouting: "Allahu Akbar" ( check the videos )
And also identified themselves of being Al Qaeda in Yemen...
So yeah you know it all right...
This is called "street justice"!
And yes the fact that they claimed it in that way makes it even more suspicious, it's not even following Al Qaeda's protocol : "professional" operation and an official statement from their spokesman! what tells me it's not some retards with guns playing terrorists, it's just our mindset that lead us to think they are muslims working ofr AlQaeda,IS or whatever.
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Yeah Xalteva, go back to your nest and stay there.Instead of thinking you know it all you might also want to do some reading because you obviously have no clue and do not understand what happened today.
Ofcourse i do understand what happened today in France (maybe too well for you), and it makes me feel bad in many ways! But, i think in one month or so, this story will be forgotten and then we can have a true debate on what is really "the freedom of speech" in France.
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Rest in peace all those who lost their lives in this accident.Unlike some 'free press' I won't name that scumbags "dissidents" or "freedom fighters" and think that it's not the newspapers should post the images from that magazine but authorities must deport all those who want to make another *insert_your_part*stan in the Europe. Here we had seen perfectly what it can lead to - from totally uncontrolled regions to blown houses and seized theatres, hospitals, schools...
This is what i don't get, the fact that they said something in arabic doesn't mean they were actually arabs or muslims.
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Well, apparently, the level of analysis here is very "simplistic", i go back to my nest.
@Mistyronin
Maybe emotions aside for a bit, and more reading instead ? you need to read about the political setting in France right now to understand my point. Proftournesol, which i doubt is honest, can help you with that instead of posting ridiculous caricatures.
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^thisThat would really be the most appropriate reaction to this insanity
Have you even thought about consequences, or just overreacting ? :)
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I don't follow you. What does the "nationalist party" ( I assume you mean the National Front ) have to do with this.The events today aren't over yet, and there's still no political reaction, we don't even know in what direction will they be. So what do you mean?
Or you mean that there's always a huge Islamist attack before every French election? Which doesn't make any sense.
This attack will scare the muslim community and they will vote for the socialists (the president said already that the attack will harm the french muslims), because a lot of people there think that if the nationalist party takes over, it will lead agressive policies against foreign communities and especially muslim one, since it weighs a lot in terms of votes. Nationalists, obviously do not want to work for foreign agendas as well, you need to keep this in mind.
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Translated comments from French side of Twitter. They don't have any regrets about what happened moreover some of them think that these poor people deserved it.http://i.4cdn.org/b/1420637064534.png
This is really sick.
And this is the kind of propaganda i was talking about.
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Yeah, that would be wiser.