Cryhavoc101

Tony Williams is on the internet of course someones going to disagree with him! However his points are well made and he has independent and verifiable Data backing him up As for "There is no such thing as a do all round" - this is always going to be the case - but there is such a thing as a better compromise than 5.56 in what ever improved loading it is given (and increasing its loading is going to have implications on the life of the current stock of 'cheap' M4 Carbines) 5.56 might be cheap and is effective at the ranges it was designed for (i.e Fighting in Europe) but those that can go 7.62 where ever possible (this includes the likes of SOCOM) because nearly all the conflicts that our soldiers have found them selves in over the last 20+ years have had at least half the engagements beyond the effective range of 5.56. And predictions are that this trend will continue. Now I know the counter argument is that beyond this 'effective 5.56 range' most soldiers would not be able to hit the target anyway (under combat conditions) but on occasion you can and you want the bullet to still retain enough energy to effective wound if it hits / suppress a target if it does not. Given that DOD and MOD etc have and continue to pour countless millions away on projects that ultimately get cancelled I am sure that they can buy a few less F22s (which will never be used anyway because we are not going to war with China and Russia) and be able to buy the slightly more expensive better bullets in sustainable quantities for their soldiers. As for the IAR M27 not replacing SAW's this is very true - the USMC have not replaced them with anything even New SAW's for that matter.

1 Shot 1 Kill - 20 min 20 secs To be fair I got lucky I ran to the bunker formation in the center of the 'zone' and as I was looking around he run past on the road with out seeing me I went prone and aimed just as he decided to take a knee and scan the area Head shot Thanks for the mission

At the end of the day Weapons wear out, Machine tools making ammo wear out They all need replacing at some point - look at the USMC choosing to replace their SAWs not with new SAWs but with an 'Automatic rifle' And military units in Afghanistan are replacing weapons with 7.62 ones anyway. The US Military not replacing the over powered .30 cal round before ww2 with a better bullet - .276 Pederson (which the M1 Garand was originally designed to fire from a 10 round clip) - was down to the top brass worried about the 'huge' stocks of .30 cal ammo they had never being used (it was all used in training before Pearl Harbour anyway so a pointless argument). And anyway western armies have changed their standard bullet twice since the 1950s - so its not like it never been done. However all that being said - I don't see the US (and therefore NATO) changing from 5.56 until Bullet tech takes another leap forward - ie LSAT which would probably have happened in the scope of the games alternative time line.

I am going to let Tony answer this one http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/The%20Next%20Generation.htm ---------- Post added at 22:26 ---------- Previous post was at 22:23 ---------- And this one http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/future%20small%20arms.htm

It makes sense to use the intermediate 6.5mm round (I imagine based on the Grendel) as it is more accurate and more lethal beyond 200 meters than the 5.56 Nato round The purpose of a intermediate round is to replace both 5.56 and 7.62 weapons in a given fire team while retaining the abilities of both 7.62 Accuracy beyond 300 meters 7.62 Enengy (ie hitting power) beyond 300 meter 5.56 Ammo Weight 5.56 recoil Whether that will be achieved or not in a single bullet type is debatable but that is the holy grail of a GPC or Intermediate round Also its not to much of a stretch to imagine that the LSAT plastic case or even caseless bullets would have replaced Brass in the next 20 years A Case less bullet reduces the weight and overall length of a bullet allowing the Magazine to be 'shorter' from front to back and I think that is what we are seeing in game In my opinion the MX Rifle is a sensible and realistic weapon that should be in our soldiers hands now and not this golf bag of weapons that a fire team / Squad / Section seems to be saddled with in Afghanistan. No I think they got this one right (although in practice I suspect that the 5.56mm M4A# will continue to 'win' competitions and still be equipping the US Military in 20 years time!)