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I guess it comes down to what you prefer. I bet fantasy fans liked dungeons and dragons (the board game with lead figures and multi sided dice), playing with dollies and going to Star Trek conventions as children. Me - I liked Airfix Models, Scalextric, Airshows, guns of all kinds (remember when toys were really dangerous and fun?), military museums and playing army. Therefore I like Arma2 lol.

It's better online gaming, much reduced lag effects, no visible warping, better performance. Even fast jets and vehicles travel smoothly. Multiplayer feels like a whole new game. When using iron sights you are able to hit targets more easily as +300m they are where they appear to be. I love it and we have it on my teams Server. DEVs not sure if there is some pressing reason why this has to be out for Xmas day but don't kill yourselves with work trying to finish it. We can wait till January it's no big deal! It's a very complex patch - when it's ready it's ready?

Try Domination and Insurgency - they were the most popular MP games, but any coop or pvp will do. Download them from Armaholic.com and put the .pbo files in mpmissions in the arma2 folder. You will then be able to set them up when you select new under multiplayer. It's fairly easy to do. Patch 1.60 is excellent and reduces the warping in multiplayer. Even fast jets move smoothly and I played a server domination map with A10's recently that was amazing. You can try the latest 1.60RC, it's not the final patch and has some minor things wrong so you will have to download it again nearer Xmas when the completed patch is out. It will fit on a CD for your friends/family if they don't want to spend the time downloading 500mb.

How do you lase the targets yourself - not sure that is included in the video? If you need an AI to laser designate for you I use this script. Unfortunately AI have to be 550m or less to actually target anything. There is a high risk of them being targeted and killed at this distance so add: _jtac allowdamage false; to make him invulnerable. private ["_jtac"]; _jtac = Alpha createUnit ["BAF_Soldier_FAC_MTP", position player, [], 10, "None"]; _jtac removeWeapon "BAF_L85A2_UGL_Holo"; [_jtac] join Alpha; _jtac doMove position player; _jtac selectWeapon "Laserdesignator"; if ((alive _jtac) and (alive _F35Bveh)) do { _nearestenemy = _jtac findNearestEnemy getPos _jtac; _jtac doTarget _nearestenemy; _jtac doFire _nearestenemy; sleep 10; }; Alpha is the players group, adding him to your group means he will follow you so you can lead him to the enemy. Alpha = Group this; in player init. alive _F35Bveh is the name of the F35 that is spawned for CAS. That script is to spawn a JTAC/FAC for your group but the most important lines are; _jtac removeWeapon "BAF_L85A2_UGL_Holo"; _jtac selectWeapon "Laserdesignator"; if (alive _jtac) do { _nearestenemy = _jtac findNearestEnemy getPos _jtac; _jtac doTarget _nearestenemy; _jtac doFire _nearestenemy; sleep 10; }; That gets him to target the enemy with the laser, as you can see he is very reluctant to do it 'as is' lol.

Can the moderators add 'implied death' to rule 19? I was certain this would be allowable as no one was killed or injured in the video?

Sounds like a wonderful holiday Walker :D I was born in a civil war that lasted 14 years. Our family photo album is full of missing friends and relatives, some lived but not in one piece. There were multiple bombings, mass murder and terrorist attacks in my home town. I travelled to school in an APC. Ever take a Sunday drive with your mommy and daddy and wonder why no one said a word? They were watching the sides of the road for mines and people waiting to rake the car with AK-47's. My mother had to carry a personal weapon in a holster to the supermarket to do the groceries. You presume too much Beagle. I bet I know what AK's, RPD's, and RPG's sound like better than you. I know the realities first hand, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette, particularly when dealing with a poisonous ideology that cannot be negotiated with. One of my childhood memories: This oil storage depot was not far from our house. Insurgents used RPG's to make holes in the tanks and then used tracer fire from machine guns to ignite the oil. I jumped out of bed and saw some of the green rounds passing over our garden. My dad ran in and grabbed me and rushed to the other end of the house where it was safer. It burned for 2 weeks and during the 1st few nights it almost turned night into day. This photo was taken later during the 2nd week.

Hope you didn't regret it as much as me! :D Went to Chilean Patagonia and Argentina in 96. It was much better. The most amazing natural phenomena I have ever seen is at Parque National de Quelat. There is a Glacier from the Patagonian ice cap that breaks off and falls 1000's feet down a cliff (ventisquero colgante). It's louder than thunder and you have the green of the temperate rain forest and the blue sea in the fjords, humming birds, sea lions, penguins and killer whales. K2 is higher and more rugged but it's not as stunning or as pretty.

Yes, in 1993 I went on an organised trek to K2 base camp. Starting off in Islamabad we travelled along the Karakorum Highway (biggish dirt road) full of suicidal truck drivers. The mountains are a nice experience but can't say I saw anything in Pakistan itself that would make me want to return. I also have several Kashmiri acquaintances who keep me informed about what goes on and how they are very relived not to be living there any more. The exact words they used was "Kashmir is full of extremists, terrorists and religious crazy people."

@Baff1 "Any reason why a stealth skin has to be painted black not white?" It's creamy yellow - see previous pictures of the RQ-170 at Kandahar and note the very obvious difference. It looks like it is painted with aircraft primer, possibly the US was aware of the risk of it crashing on the wrong side of the border and did not put the final coating on it as it was only to be used in Afghan airspace? The theory that the Iranians peeled the coating off does not sound credible. Could be! Anyone seen this guy around yet? :D

If Pakistan gives sanctuary to terrorist groups it effectively creates a war zone in Pakistani territory does it not? Pakistan also formally agreed the US could conduct drone strikes in Waziristan. So the deaths of bystanders and the terrorist's friends and family are mainly the consequence of Pakistani action and inaction. If the terrorists did not have Sanctuary in Pakistan, Pakistani citizens would not be getting killed. Pakistani unwillingness to deal with the problem and only giving the US one option to respond leads to the deaths of Pakistani citizens. If Pakistan arrested terrorists and shut down their training camps and confiscated weapons there wouldn't be a problem. Pakistan creates the problem by doing the opposite. How can they allow their territory to be used in this way? It's just bizarre. Harsh realities, but that is how things are. You would suggest that the terrorist groups in Waziristan be left unhindered while people die in Europe and Afghanistan? Pakistan is the largest exporter of terrorism in the world, part of it's government are actively involved and the rest look the other way. They are causing the conflict within Pakistan and the prolonged war in Afghanistan. It's a fact that the training camps exist and it's a fact that most of the jihadists involved in plots or actual attacks in Europe and the USA have visited them. You can label me as akin to Fox News lol if you like, I wouldn't know I have never watched it, what's up can't handle the truth, nothing I have written is incorrect is it? Read this from the BBC (dare you criticise the BBC too?): The Afghan-Pakistan militant nexus, The Afghan-Pakistan border region has become the front line in the war against Islamic militants. The area is a patchwork quilt of territory where militant groups have gained strength in some places but lost ground in others. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15149996 "South Waziristan, a tribal district in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata), is the first significant sanctuary Islamic militants carved for themselves outside Afghanistan after 9/11." Pakistan doesn't actually administer anything as can be seen from the translated text on page 4 of this thread.

No because Norway does not have terrorist training camps on it's soil, It's army and security forces do not fund, train and give sanctuary to terrorists and it has not signed over part of it's territory to militant groups that attack neighbouring countries. Pakistan does all of this - Pakistani president Asif Zardari and former President Gen. Pervez Musharraf have admitted that Pakistan does have areas which provide safe havens to militants: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/5779916/Pakistani-president-Asif-Zardari-admits-creating-terrorist-groups.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11474618 Al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Omar, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Sipah-e-Sahaba, JKLF, Taliban, Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami, Jalaluddin Haqqani, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Chinese Islamic Militants, Moroccan Islamic Militants all have offices and training camps in Pakistan. In July 2010, British Prime Minsiter David Cameron accused the Pakistani government of double standards: "We cannot tolerate in any sense the idea that this country is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror, whether to India or whether to Afghanistan or anywhere else in the world." President Obama in 2009 called Waziristan “the most dangerous place in the world.†Leading terrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Abu Zubaydah, Abu Laith al Libi and Sheikh Said Masri, Zabi uk-Taifi have all been captured or killed inside Pakistan. Sources??? It's well established history, have you been hiding under a rock for the last 12 years? Sources - start with these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state_terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1254773,00.html http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pakistan-s-isi-sponsors-kashmiri-militant-groups-fbi_1568064 http://vinienco.com/2011/09/27/chinese-muslim-militants-training-in-pakistan/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sidique_Khan http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317620/Eight-German-Taliban-terrorists-killed-US-missile-strike-Pakistan.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11777251 Books to read: A to Z of Jehadi Organizations in Pakistan by Muhammad Amir Rana, The Fluttering Flag of Jehad by Amir Mir, Islam and Education Conflict and Conformity in Pakistan’s Madrassahs by Saleem H. Ali, Descent into Chaos by Ahmed Rashid "And that justify kills of 18 Pakistani citizens?" Yes it does....If Pakistan continues with these activities the regrettable deaths of bystanders are on it's hands.

Anyone find it strange that the radar absorbent paint is missing? The aircraft seems to be painted with standard primer? Looks like the initial claims of a shoot down were false, there is no damage consistent with that. They have the underside of the aircraft covered up which could suggest damage from a crash landing? Not sure I believe the the story about taking over control, these aircraft are semi autonomous. It's more likely a communications failure led to the aircraft crash landing itself.

Pakistan played a major role in the 7th July attacks - some of the bombers attended training camps there and in Afghanistan to learn their trade. Mohammad Sidique Khan leader of the 7/7 cell learned bomb-making at the Malakand training camp in Pakistan (2001). Pakistan's extremely relaxed attitude towards terrorist groups and training camps on their soil means they must share some blame for every major terrorist attack in the past 15 years. Even today they are very reluctant to arrest terrorists or shut down training camps and extremist schools. Can we blame them? Yes we can! If you watched the series 'Secret Pakistan' earlier in the year it's obvious exactly who they are interested in helping. People question why the US never informed Pakistan of the bin Laden raid. It's because the US had several years experience of Pakistani officials tipping off members of Al Queda and other terrorists who were due to be arrested. On 18 July 2005, the Pakistani government released video footage of Khan arriving at Karachi airport on 19 November 2004 with Shehzad Tanweer, another of the London bombers, on Turkish Airlines flight TK 1056. Khan and Tanweer stayed in Pakistan until 8 February 2005, then flew back to London together. A third member of the London group, 18-year-old Hasib Hussain, arrived in Karachi on 15 July 2004 from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on flight SV714. The 7/7 bombers were trained, funded and controlled by groups in Pakistan and the Pakistani authorities ignored it. The intelligence and forensic trail from many other bombings, attempted bombings and plots also leads back to Pakistan. Look at Operation Crevice from 2004, the previous year, the participants sourced materials and received training in Pakistan. Three weeks ago, four men were arrested in Birmingham on suspicion of travelling to Pakistan to undertake terrorist training and of raising funds for terrorist purposes. The 2006 Waziristan Accord between the government of Pakistan and Tribal and militant groups resident in the Waziristan area, has some choice lines: Details of the accord -The Government agrees to stop air and ground attacks against militants in Waziristan. - Militants are to cease cross-border movement into and out of Afghanistan. - Foreigners (foreign jihadists) in North Waziristan will have to leave Pakistan but "those who cannot leave will be allowed to live peacefully, respecting the law of the land and the agreement" (WTF does this mean?) - Area check-points and border patrols will be manned by a tribal force. Pakistan Army forces will withdraw from control points. - Militants will not enter agencies adjacent to this agency (the agency of North Waziristan). - Both sides will return any captured weapons, vehicles, and communication devices. - The Government will release captured militants and will not arrest them again. (WTF yet again!) Waziristan is the area where all the US drone attacks occur. You will frequently hear the Pakistani Government protesting about "attacks on it's soil". Err.....whose soil? Pakistan has effectively signed away control of Waziristan and that is the region where all the training occurs for the Taliban and groups interested in terrorism against western targets. So when the Pakistani Government protest about attacks there, on behalf of who or what, is the protest being made?

Great work, the jets in multiplayer look fantastic now, no more warping all over the sky.

A terrible day with a great loss of life. If you have never seen it I recommend Tora, Tora, Tora - a US, Japanese co-production detailing the story of the day from both sides. An excellent historically accurate film. The title is made up of the code-words that were used by the Japanese to indicate that complete surprise was achieved and is translated in the Japanese as "虎" or "tiger", hence making the code for achieved surprise "Tiger, tiger, tiger". British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was later to recollect "In all the war I never received a more direct shock. As I turned and twisted in bed the full horror of the news sank in upon me. There were no British or American capital ships in the Indian Ocean or the Pacific except the American survivors of Pearl Harbor who were hastening back to California. Over this vast expanse of waters Japan was supreme and we everywhere were weak and naked".

Your point was that I would not profit from burning my house down. WRONG! I could in several different ways. RE Carrier IQ: So? Nothing you have provided indicates that there is any spying or hacking occurring. Some have suggested that it might be possible but have not actually demonstrated it. So again what's the big deal? Not everyone has the software on their phones. I don't and most of Europe does not have Carrier IQ. So is there actually a problem or not?

That's to do with the territorial dispute in the South China Sea........they even have a picture to illustrate it for you at the bottom of the page.

Well yes you could because you put a space between every line you write. 5 links to stories of hacking unrelated to this particular instance proves nothing. Yet more sensationalism, innuendo, inaccuracy and crap. :rolleyes: ---------- Post added at 03:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:05 PM ---------- I was trying to illustrate a method of logical thinking in simple terms. It is no different, people have been making money from burning down houses for centuries.

Allowing your hate for the US to cloud your judgement? :rolleyes: I can see several different scenarios for the US wanting to plant a drone in enemy hands but this isn't even remotely likely.

I have a large box of matches in my house, the implications are very serious. It is possible for me to burn down every house in my town with them. BUT: How likely is it? Does everyone have a box of matches in their house at this moment, are we all at serious risk? Even if I tried it, would other factors stop me? Is it actually possible to do this?

The problem I have with some of Walker's posts is that they are sensationalist and partially or fully inaccurate. If he would check the facts before posting them I would not have to comment. Some seem to think I or others have a personal issue with him, that isn't true. I have an issue with people posting crap and will take on anyone that does so. On the Internet every day crap is reposted an infinite number of times by people too dumb to check facts or understand what they are reading, crap then appears to be fact. Even the major news services don't seem to check anything they put on their web pages. True - we don't have to read it but the problem is, others do. This forum then becomes complicit in crap spreading, that is best left to professionals in the farming industry. I would hope we are above spreading inaccuracies?

Ahhh feck - the damn thing defected! :D You would think they would have foreseen a situation like this and had some sort of destruct device?

Blatantly wrong, I use the names they give themselves, they have different leadership and different sources of funding, different interpretations of Islam and different political loyalties. This is illustrated by the fact that as soon as they stop fighting the US, Serbs or Russians, they immediately start fighting each other. Dropped the argument that the US created and funded the Taliban?

The problem here is that Beagle thinks the Mujahideen and the Taliban are the same thing. They are not. It was actually Al-Queda that developed from the Mujahideen and grew more extreemist after 1989 with Saudi Arabian funding and extreme Wahabist doctrine. What occurred after the US cut all funding for Afghanistan in 1989 was a civil war funded by Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Read up on Operation Cyclone: The U.S. shifted its interest from Afghanistan after the withdrawal of Soviet troops. American funding of Afghan resistance leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his Hezbi Islami party was cut off immediately.[35] The U.S. also reduced its assistance for Afghan refugees in Pakistan. In October 1990, U.S. President George H. W. Bush (Senior) refused to certify that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear explosive device, triggering the imposition of sanctions against Pakistan under the Pressler Amendment (1985) in the Foreign Assistance Act. This disrupted the second assistance package offered in 1987 and discontinued economic assistance and military sales to Pakistan with the exception of the economic assistance already on its way to Pakistan. Military sales and training programs were abandoned as well and some of the Pakistani military officers under training in the U.S. were asked to return home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone Al-Queda was the group of foreign fighters that developed from the Mujahideen. They had lots of US cash left after the war to fund their activities. The U.S. says that all of its funds went to native Afghan rebels and denies that any of its funds were used to supply Osama bin Laden or foreign Arab mujahideen. Nonetheless, U.S. support for the native Afghan mujahideen contributed to the radical Islamization of Afghanistan as well as the weakening and near-disintegration of the Afghan state, which ultimately led to the Taliban takeover of most of the country in 1996. The Taliban was a Pakistani ISI product and most of it's recruits came from the religious schools in Pakistan and this continues today. Some of the Taliban leadership were part of the Mujahideen during the Soviet Occupation.

So you have no proof at all for what you say? I sum it up - coincidence. It's well established history that the US cut all funding to the mujahideen after the Soviets left, there is documented evidence for that. The Taliban was and is a Pakistani created and funded organisation that emerged 6 years after the Soviet Union left Afghanistan. If you have proof that the US funded and created the Taliban - please post it.