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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I'll be damned if invading someone makes their defense an attack. Well, I'll be damned if invading someone makes their defense an attack. <span id='postcolor'> Lol isen't that typical for IDF. Evry time they invade some towns and there is some resistance they call it terrorism. After IDF mentality you should go on the street and say please shoot me shoot me then you maybe not considerd a terrorist.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (second_draw @ Oct. 07 2002,09:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ April 04 2002,07:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, without appointing blame here I have a question. What do you think may be the outcome of the current situation in Israel / Palestine? I mean, it has all escalated to the extremes. Even the Vatican has woken from a slumber and made statements. The Christian Church of Nativity (sp) is under siege. International protesters have been fired on. Journalists are being thrown out of the area. Egypt has cut diplomatic ties with Israel. What can this lead to? Speculate.<span id='postcolor'> <cough> remember the topic<cough> btw, the nativity seige will end in the palestinians being deported <span id='postcolor'> If that will happen then you will see osamas puping up like never before. And we will se terrorism that will make september 11 like a piknik tour.

Damn only 17,197. Are we that cheap that we don't even whant to press one a link.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 15 2002,00:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Sep. 14 2002,19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 14 2002,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, we could argue israelis/palestinos until we're blue in the face (and we were a couple of times, weren't we), and we would never agree. ...<span id='postcolor'> It's such a shame that when you look at people you categorise them. It shouldent matter if you are christian,muslim,jew,black white or whatever. We are all the same as long as some off us don't see that and take the people that are less fourtanate it will cause unjust and unjust will cause wars and animosity.<span id='postcolor'> bogo, I don't understand a word you write. could you explain yourself some more? and I really don't want to talk about it anymore in here, but... about israel surrendering land that once was theirs for many long centuries: everybody should know by now that I feel israel has a right to exist. I don't share any of the obvious hatred many people here bear for that nation whatsoever. israel is my sympathy nation of choice. I don't feel any closeness to any of the corrupt dicatatorships and extremist fiefdoms in the region. however, in the past God did indeed tell his people to surrender to a foreign power and leave their homeland. nebuchadnezzar's babylon is the case in point. the southern jews, (northern israel had long been deported, it's population partially replaced by "samaritans"), were to go into captivity for a set number of years. jeremiah told them God would bless them in captivity outside of their land. and he did! daniel became chancellor of the empire with three of his closest friends running the most important provinces of babylon. (jews in high places? gimme more!<!--emo& like now, many of the jews returned to their homeland after a considerable amount of time, and the inhabitants of the region didn't like it and schemed against it, just like now. israel depended on a superpower for protection then (persia, today's iran). today, by now, it can hold its liquor on its own. but looking at the present situation: any way I slice and dice it: israel cannot surrender certain territories without jeopardizing its very existence. until a new leadership takes over for the palestinians the status quo will remain. a recent positive sign was that arafat's cabinet stepped down because the pal's parliament, (convening for the first time in 18 months!, maintained that those ministers are largely self-serving, incompetent and corrupt, (like the man himself)! I knew there was common sense in a lot of those people.<span id='postcolor'> Hmmm let's look at the history: The first people to settle in the area wich is know as Israel and Palestina was the Cannan people . And in ca. 1,250 B.C. Israelite conquest of Canaan. And actualy the palestinians are a decent from the cannan people. Sow in actualy terms the palestinian's where the first people to settle in that area.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 14 2002,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, we could argue israelis/palestinos until we're blue in the face (and we were a couple of times, weren't we), and we would never agree. the mid east is big, and now, since the president admonished the UN to take itself serious again by saying the UN should demand iraq follow some 27 resolutions hussein so far ignores, let's talk about the possible pax uno (or americana) in the region. just a fantasy...: after using afghanistan and several other -stans for decentral mobilization zones, building up forces, america will move on iraq, disabling its military and all wmd-sites permanently. hussein will move underground and fade into irrelevancy. (capture is nary impossible.) an iraqi general who went awol during the gulf war and lived in the US since, will form an interim government with elections soon to follow. iraq will cede territory to saudi arabia. then iran will be taken down. the mullahs leave for europe, (where they will be hailed as freedom fighters against fascist america), and the people elect a leader like in afghanistan. then saudi arabia's corrupt elite will be deposed of for funding terrorists worldwide, and the country reshaped in the image of egypt. the hashemite kingdom of jordan will be transformed into a palestinian republic. if anybody starts another war on israel, that country will then obtain the disputed territories for good as well as ancient gilead west of the jordan river. syria will remain an isolated dictatorship in the region, stabilizing it by forcing the new states to remain vigilant in respect to it, syria's dictator becoming their common enemy, and serving as reminder of the political system they just escaped. like general lehman said: power corrupts, absolute power is really cool! any takers? <span id='postcolor'> It's such a shame that when you look at people you categorise them. It shouldent matter if you are christian,muslim,jew,black white or whatever. We are all the same as long as some off us don't see that and take the people that are less fourtanate it will cause unjust and unjust will cause wars and animosity.

I think this very sad that's exactly what the terrorist whant that the americans should leave in fear. But what i think it's more sad it's the Bush proppose that evry postman electrician and sow one should spy on people and report back. It ges't remminds me of the Stazi ( East German Intellingenci) used the same method.

DOR do you ever read my post or for that matter others post. I should think that you have learned something about middle east from our post but unil now your response is always the same that means you don't even botter to read it .

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 13 2002,00:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 12 2002,08:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 11 2002,23:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this here world, my fairminded friend, is probably the only heaven you'll ever meet, and the only hell some of us will have to endure. God revealed himself in Jesus.<span id='postcolor'> Excellent... have proof? And as for Hell, I believe the existentialist Jean Paul Sartre (French- but we shouldnt hold it against him) summed it up best: "There's no need for red-hot pokers. Hell is- other people!!"<span id='postcolor'> proof? got plenty. guys like you just don't go for it. matter of fact, I probably could part the red sea and you'd just mumble about friction in the earth or something. Jesus himself could probably come down the street with red neon signs pointing to him and you wouldn't acknowledge him. problem is, in the end you die in your sins and aren't ready to meet infinite justice. that's a shame. your sartre quote is a tad too misanthropic for me. right up there with descartes and spinoza. anyway. in the end existentialism always leads to nihilism of some form or another. and that's no answer. but this is the mid east thread. now, after the prez's speech in front of the UN let's develop a scenario of the region 10 years from now!<span id='postcolor'> Sow in a short sentence if jesus came back to us now and he saw what was going one in the middle east he would say kick those arabs from there?

Duke read this: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country. Why should they accept that? David Ben-Gurion quoted in "The Jewish Paradox"by Nahum Goldmann, former president of the World Jewish Congress.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 12 2002,01:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Isaelies defeated the people of Palestine a long time ago, and won the country, so since they won it is theirs.<span id='postcolor'> Sow if i had an army now and invaded US then it's rightfully mine. I think if the wider population of the earth thought like this then we will be at war evryday.

What do you guys think about this? LINK

Well mostly i read these ones: DR Cnn BBC Politiken

Is there a site out there with the nationalaty of the vitims of 9/11?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 11 2002,23:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh but they will. <span id='postcolor'> They warn you on extreme racial views not on facts come with something presentable and with some links.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Sep. 11 2002,23:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">buy yourself a heavy boxing-bag that you can connect to floor and roof. Every other excercise usually just blows up your muscles for a week or shortens the muscle (like those artists in the circus, is ugly), you gotta tell you entire body to you need new muscles otherwise it wont active a long-term growth! Â <span id='postcolor'> I vote for dumbbels becuse you work evry muscle separate. 2 sets and work very slow. You will se result in no time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 11 2002,23:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well it is hard for me to argue in the way I want, I could gte banned. <span id='postcolor'> I am very shure that no one will ban you for preseting FACTS.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 11 2002,03:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 11 2002,10:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kurtz, if you get even half of what you want, you are bigger than NZ military and police combined in terms of firepower <span id='postcolor'> If I had one T-90, I would have more fire power than the NZ Army. The NZ army blew up all their Scorpion Scout tanks becuase they didnt want them anymore, we only have outdated anti-tank weapons, and a few Mavericks for our ageing A-4's.<span id='postcolor'> Kurtz how big is the NZ army? You guys are sow quite down there that we don't even no that you are there

Ok after my opinion this is good weapon for long range targets. But what do you do in close combat where you have to move from room to room. The weight of this weapon and the langth it's to d*mn big.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 11 2002,05:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would rather see dead New Zealand soldiers, even if I was one of those soldiers, dead in a coffin rather than thousands of civilians who were killed by 'smart bombs' that needed to go to school for a little longer. And so what do yuo reckon, we shoudl liberate the people by killing them? Well, we managed to win tis war with minimal Allied casaulities thanks to you lossing you entire family when a 'smart bomb' that was aimed at a target a few hundred metres down the road fell next to your house. You may now enjoy all the freedoms that come with your liberation. Im sure that you will see that your sacrifice along with the hundreds of other sacrafices like yours were all for a good cause.<span id='postcolor'> Well i think life has become very cheap. Life now a days is viewd after nationalaty status and color. I think that's one of the main reason the terrorist prefer to attak american's more then anything else because they now theyr martyr will be on the headnews on each major news corporation. Today in a war like afganistan is more tragic to lose 10 us marines then bombarding a village full of people. It's tragic thing. After my oppinion all life is precious even the black guy in africa who still think's that earth is flat ( J/K )

9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 11 2002,049)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nope, but since it is not Palestine's land anway they have to take what thay can get. <span id='postcolor'> DOR do you ever read the history or anything that isent in the bible. If sow tell me on wich page does it say mass deportation of people is viewed ok in the gods eyes. Why don't you take a book and for once read what's going one then saying the same thing over and over without no base and facts.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 10 2002,17:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Sep. 10 2002,16:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well i don't see that ever happen with Sharon in power. And if they ellect Netanyahu next time. Well i am 100% shure that we woulden't see peace. I think if YITZHAK RABIN had been not assinated then their would be peace today.<span id='postcolor'> Maybe but peace has to be real not hypothetical, the UN has to start to be firm with America over this issue.<span id='postcolor'> Well UN can't do sow much becuase US has veto power. Sow if the americans don't like something they ges't vetoed. It's that easy for them.

Well i don't see that ever happen with Sharon in power. And if they ellect Netanyahu next time. Well i am 100% shure that we woulden't see peace. I think if YITZHAK RABIN had been not assinated then their would be peace today.

LOL good luck with that.

Well this kind of peace propossal has ben suggested many times at UN and the palestinians have also suggested this. But the americans have veto this evrytime.