bogo

The interesting part is that he was born in palestina

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Jan. 13 2003,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I really don't like the idea of a big warhead on the end of the rocket which is fired into populated areas and might just miss! How stupid can you get? In northern ireland the most powerful weapons to stop a car we used were M79s or GPMGs mainly because they don't do a lot of collateral damage in the countryside. I think if the Israelis insist on killing people randomly then they should use something like the SAS where you infilitrate and kill and no one notices until they're late for the fundamentalist support group on friday!<span id='postcolor'> Well if you ask me i think they are doing on purpose. Using apache , longbows or f16s to kill a terrorist that has almost 99% chance of hiting inocent people.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Jan. 09 2003,03:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember this? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Dec. 03 2002,19:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Israeli troops have shot dead a 95-year-old woman </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fatima Hasan died from at least one bullet in the back as she sat in a vehicle at a checkpoint outside the city <span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'> The good news is the IDF's Judge Advocate General took action. The bad news is it was only a disciplinary hearing. The good news is the soldier was found guilty of violating rules of engagement. The bad news is he was sentenced to serve only 35 day. The good news is he was also found guilty of lying. The bad news is lying only got him an extra 30 days. The good news is a Civil Rights group protested the verdicts. The bad news is the JAG cancelled the 35-day sentence. The good news is that they are finally launching a criminal investigation and are preserving the possibility of imposing a much more servere sentence. Edit: link to update<span id='postcolor'> I think this shows how cheap the Israelis value Palestinian lifes. Tragic if you ask me

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Jan. 03 2003,11:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">interesting it took from Jan. 02 2003,23:58 to Jan. 03 2003,06:19 to find a post that wasnt directly negative towards Israel<span id='postcolor'> Do you even read the articles or you gest blur out without any reson. If you read those to quotes then you would know that it has nothing negative towards israel.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Nov. 28 2002,17:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's Duke of Ray! I swear!<span id='postcolor'> I think you are right.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Jan. 02 2003,23:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">f you read some of his posts here then you will now that he is not a pre Arafat<span id='postcolor'>You are right mr pogo, i admit, he is not pre arafat. How ever he is very pro arafat<span id='postcolor'> Sow in other words you can not discuss a topic without insulting people. That's very inteligent.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Jan. 02 2003,23:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't forget that theavonlady is an IDF spokesperson <span id='postcolor'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And that should come from Arafats personal ass kisser<span id='postcolor'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's your problem? <span id='postcolor'> A Certain Arafat fan club, thats all  <span id='postcolor'> If you read some of his posts here then you will now that he is not a pre Arafat. If you have something to say then say it without insulting other people.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 02 2003,19:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ich bin Ausländer, nicht verstehen<span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'> ROFL

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Jan. 02 2003,16:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Jan. 02 2003,16:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well i think even you can see it the way they describe jenin history. My gosh it's like a idf spokesperson wrote it.<span id='postcolor'> Can you be more specific or are you stalling because it just doesn't fit in with your misconceptions?<span id='postcolor'> Well the hole story == IGNOBLE AWARD WINNER == Because i can remmeber the almost the exact words coming out of an idf spokeperson.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Jan. 02 2003,12:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Jan. 02 2003,12:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">HonestReporting was started at the initiative of the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah, <span id='postcolor'> Non bios ehhh? Â <span id='postcolor'> If you see something that's non-factual, please point it out. Thank you. Oh.............. and that's "bias". There are other threads discusssing "bios".<span id='postcolor'> Well i think even you can see it the way they describe jenin history. My gosh it's like a idf spokesperson wrote it. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">== IGNOBLE AWARD WINNER == <span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">HonestReporting was started at the initiative of the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah, <span id='postcolor'> Non bios ehhh?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Dec. 30 2002,07:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">More trash from the forum anti-semites, I see, fed by their own kind.<span id='postcolor'> Ohh my god this anti semitic thing has been turnd around to be a weapon for the jewish people. Almost evry time you critisis Israel's way of handeling palestinians then you must be anti semitic there is no other anwser to that. I think i have almost seen each goverment in europe critisis by israel for being anti semitic when they dont aprove of israels actions. You should think that all europeans are a bunch of nazis going around spreding hate about the jews. LOL Wake up theavonlady we arent falling for that any more.

We see time and time again that the american policy is the reason for sow much resement. I would not put all the blame on the americans but i will blame them for suporting over and over again rouge states and dictators. I wish for once they will support democracy. I belive that only when the majority of the people in a country is satisfied then you will have peace and order.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Nov. 02 2002,19:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Oct. 30 2002,23:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but I might as well talk to a wall... <span id='postcolor'> walla-alla <span id='postcolor'> LOL Bernadotte

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Oct. 28 2002,21:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">According to this, the days of Sharon's government may already be numbered. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Labour leader and Israeli defence minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, said his party would quit the government unless about $150m allocated to settlers in the West Bank and Gaza was diverted instead to social spending.<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mr Sharon said the budget was "not easy" but neither was Israel's situation. Â "It is a budget which is essential for stabilising the economy," he said. <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If no compromise is found and the coalition government collapses, fresh elections will have to be held in three months' time.<span id='postcolor'> <span id='postcolor'> Ya but who is going to run for election Natanahy

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Oct. 17 2002,19:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Oct. 17 2002,17:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The argument initally was that Poland and the Tscheck republic still nowadays refuse to rework their own historical understanding. This may be typicall for former communistic nations. It was terrifying to see the historical understanding the east-germans had after the wall fell.<span id='postcolor'> A lot of people from all over the world still nowadays refuse to rework their own historical understanding. Â It's not just typical for former communist nations. Â How often have we been told the following: - There was never any such country as Palestine. - Palestine was desolate and nearly uninhabited before WWI. - Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs left Israel in 1948, of their own free will, refusing to return and leaving their properties behind. - The Palestinians displaced in 1948 were merely Arabs who had just moved into the region recently to get jobs associated with Jewish settlement. - There were never any attrocities carried out against Palestinians. - etc. etc. etc. ...just trying to stay on topic. <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">- Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs left Israel in 1948, of their own free will, refusing to return and leaving their properties behind. <span id='postcolor'> Who the heck will belive that. I can't remmeber one time in the history where such a large group of people just moved without no reason. The guy who made this propaganda was smoking weat at that time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Oct. 17 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Oct. 16 2002,20<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Oct. 16 2002,13<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Force is the only way to deal with terrorism. You can negotiate and use diplomatic solutions with a stable government. To some degree, you can even use diplomacy with a dictator, providing they are willing to listen. But you can not negitiate with a fundamentalist extremist, who has had hatred for a specific people pumped into them since they were old enough to understand the language of their parents. The Cause of that hatred isn't America, or the Western worlds presence in other countries. The Cause of the hatred is the parents of these eight year olds, who are dressing up in suicide bomber's clothing and chanting "Death to America, Death to Isreal." Take for example Palestinian suicide bombers. Isreal has twice offered to let the UN organize a peaceful resolution. Once even offering up to 90% of the land (That's Isreali Land, not the Occupied West Bank and Gaza strip) back to the Arab countries that they took it from. Yet the offer was refused, and the suicide attacks continue. These terrorists have no logic, and no Morals. You can't negotiate with that. There is no negotiating with terror.<span id='postcolor'> <sarcasm>And almost 50 years of fighting terrorism has brought and end to it . </sarcasm><span id='postcolor'> No, that's fifty years of half-heartedly fighting it when it was politically worthwhile getting involved. If you weren't to pig headed to actually read my posts and get the points from them, you would have seen that in order for any fight against terrorism to succeed, you need EVERY country standing against it. As for violence breeding violence... thats crap. Remove the children from their parents and bring them up in a non-hostile environment, and there wouldn't be any hatred of America or the Western world, because they wouldn't have that hatred pumped into them from a young age. All that leaves in the elimination of those already at an age to despise the Western World and want to carry out attacks, and the elimination of new groups before they get a support structure in place.<span id='postcolor'> Lol you know something you can not tell me that the palestinians are the only terrorist in that conflict. Starting from 1850 a mass imagration of jews to palestina and then 100 years establishing a state. And then massing people in to west bank and gaza then a lot of them becoming refugees. Come on woulden't you fight for a country wich is yours. IDF manages to kill more civilians in an action then a terrorist bomber when he enters a bus and blowing himself up. And then you say we are deply sorry but we need route out terrorism. Since when is acceptable to drop 1 ton bomb in a civiall area just to kill on man. And nice words pig headed very intelligent i must say what's next?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Oct. 16 2002,13:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Force is the only way to deal with terrorism. You can negotiate and use diplomatic solutions with a stable government. To some degree, you can even use diplomacy with a dictator, providing they are willing to listen. But you can not negitiate with a fundamentalist extremist, who has had hatred for a specific people pumped into them since they were old enough to understand the language of their parents. The Cause of that hatred isn't America, or the Western worlds presence in other countries. The Cause of the hatred is the parents of these eight year olds, who are dressing up in suicide bomber's clothing and chanting "Death to America, Death to Isreal." Take for example Palestinian suicide bombers. Isreal has twice offered to let the UN organize a peaceful resolution. Once even offering up to 90% of the land (That's Isreali Land, not the Occupied West Bank and Gaza strip) back to the Arab countries that they took it from. Yet the offer was refused, and the suicide attacks continue. These terrorists have no logic, and no Morals. You can't negotiate with that. Â There is no negotiating with terror.<span id='postcolor'> <sarcasm>And almost 50 years of fighting terrorism has brought and end to it . </sarcasm>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Oct. 16 2002,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 09 2002,02:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well so they run it, a city has some power you know. For instance, Jews freaked out that Poles killed some of them in WW2 (or the Poles would have been killed also), so they boycott Polish flights to New York (recently). Talk about war hungry people full of conflict in their blood. Bringing WW2 to NYC.<span id='postcolor'> Kind of naive.. Of course it was the polish that suffered in the concentration camps, no matter whether they were polish jews or polish orthodox or whatever, fact is they were poles. But fact is quite a lot of the concentration camp personell were polish, and not because they were forced too. Employing poles made it easier to keep the "real purpose" of the camps secret. Furthermore were quite a few poles ready to kill or denounce for just a few cigarettes in return. Of course the polish citizen were afraid and under constant risk of being shot, but noone was FORCED to work (as a guard) in a concentration camps. I think that is just a lame excuse, it doesnt need much of logic to understand that people suffered terribly in those camps and who else could have created such a horror than a bunch of sadists. But back to the topic<span id='postcolor'> Hmmm let's not forget how the nazi threaten the slavic people. They should be slaves or killed.

Ok i wonder how many people here think that using force is the only way to end terrorism?

Look what i found Jordan denies an agreement with Israel permitting the Israeli planes to attack Iraq through Jordanian airspace

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Oct. 09 2002,14:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Oct. 09 2002,04:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sharon was responsible for 800 palestinians being killed in the invasion of Lebanon. The only reason his fat butt isnt dragged into the international court is because he is in government!<span id='postcolor'> In 1953, Israel launched a reprisal attack against the village of Qibiya in Jordan. Guess who was in charge? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Unit 101, led by then Colonel Ariel Sharon, destroyed 50 homes, killing 69 Jordanian civilians who were hidden inside and had gone unnoticed. Although Sharon claimed he did not know the houses were occupied, the event still shocked and embarrassed Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion.<span id='postcolor'>...when he was just 25 years old.<span id='postcolor'> Hmmm this guy makes Arafat look like an angel if we count in body count.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Oct. 09 2002,03:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Iraq is a country without a unifying identity. Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the south, Shiites in the area near the Iranian border. Without Saddam Hussein and his iron grip, the country probably would have fragmented by now, either creating independent states based on ethnicity, or gobbled up by Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, respectively, to take advantage of the oil reserves in the area. To be very clear, Iraq is Saddam Hussein, and without him or a nation-building effort, Iraq will most likely cease to exist.<span id='postcolor'> I am almost 99% shure that the iraqie people don't share your view on that well maybe the kurds. But the kurds have always whant it atonomy from the turks, iranians, iraqs and jordan. Let's not forget who is Saddam Husein he diden't came to power by being alected , he came to power by using dirty triks. I have spoken actually with some iraqies on the matter of iraq will be split if saddam isen't there and non share the view of the americans. All the supresing that has been done in iraq is manly done because of Saddam Hussein. And i hope you remmeber the babylon time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Oct. 08 2002,20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">back to topic had hoped somebody would pick up on the first couple of thoughts I threw in. about the israelis agreeing with jordanians about jordan's incorporation of iraqi territory. folks those two talking like that..., that's nothing less than revolutionary! figure: if israel and jordan are agreeing on enlarging jordan all the way to the tigris river, that could rapidly solve the israeli-palestinian question. provided arafat is substituted. I for one think jordan's government is probably the most benevolent among the arab governments. for iraqi sunni arabs to be ruled by jordan would be fantastic. maybe somebody is talking to iran about the shiite part of iraq... if iran were allowed to incorporate the south, that might ease the aggressive stance iran had towards the US (and the rest of the world) for the last 23 years. the northern iraqi kurds could declare their republic of kurdistan. dunno if turkey would like that though. whaddayathink? (just don't feed me any baloneyous flamey oneliners. have mercy with an old man. <span id='postcolor'> Sow you whant to split a country that has existit for thousands of years because the Israeli and palestinian issue. I got better idea why don't you move the israelis to us and give them a state that will solve the prob wouldent. And by the way do you have a link for the Israeli and Jordan issue?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (joltan @ Oct. 08 2002,13:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ Oct. 08 2002,01:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is Bill Gates the mastermind behind the war on terror?<span id='postcolor'> Of course, I'm sure Sadam is using a pirate copy of MS DOS 3.3 - M$ never forgets, never forgives! <span id='postcolor'> Ahh there is the reason why Bush whant's to attak.