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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 14 2003,12:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ April 14 2003,12:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Palestinian Jews made up 30% of the population and owned 6% of the land. Â What gave them the right to receive 50%? Â (Btw... by 1950 they had nearly 80% and today their border encircles over 100%.)<span id='postcolor'> You forgot to mention the Arabs previously rejected without compromise both Peel Commision's plan, which gave Israel much less, and the White Paper, which would have choked Israel in numerous ways. You also forgot - again - to mention that Israel's border expansions in both 1948 and 1967 were the result of wars initiated (1948) or instigated (1967) by the Arabs themselves, with the humble declaration of destroying the Jewish state which they, the Arabs themselves, helped grow and grow and grow.<span id='postcolor'> Here some history for you: Was the partition plan fair to both Arabs and Jews? "Arab rejection was? based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half Jewish] with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body-a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least?The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the rights of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own Charter." Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest" Were the Zionists prepared to settle for the territory granted in the 1947 partition? "While the Yishuv`s leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israeli society- including?Ben Gurion- were opposed to or extremely unhappy with the partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state?s borders beyond the UN-earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians. "Israeli Historian, Benny Morris, in "Tikun", March/April 1998. Did the Egyptians actually start the 1967 war, as Israel originally claimed? "The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weizmann, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ?no threat of destruction? but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could ?exist according to the scale, spirit and equality she now embodies.??Menachem Begin had the following remarks to make: ?In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.? " Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 14 2003,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Silly me! I forgot that the Oslo Accords didn't say anything about dismatling towns in Judea and Samaria. I also forgot to show some earlier statistics or what happens after signing the Oslo Accords with Arafat: It takes 2 to make peace.<span id='postcolor'> And how many palestinians have died in attaks from IDF. How many of them where children woman or just bystanders. How many Israeli cityes are under corfue of palestinan tanks how many Israelis are evicted from their home by Palestinians.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 14 2003,12:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ April 14 2003,123)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL, yes Peace is bad for your health   <span id='postcolor'> May you be as healthy as we Oslo Accord guinea pigs: <span id='postcolor'> Ohhh i forgat when someone is invading your country you should trow flowers at them and if they kick you out off your house then you should move the a diffrent country. RIGHT!!!! Building more settelments is the way to peace.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ April 14 2003,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Uhm....why cant they just share the land? Its so fekkin stupid. Scrap Israel and Palestine, call the new nation Israstine or whatever and make a common government. Oh no, wait, that might mean peace eventually, bad idea.<span id='postcolor'> LOL, yes Peace is bad for your health

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So some Israelis wanted to expand with war?  So what, some Americans want to bomb France.  It's not a representation of the majority most of the time.<span id='postcolor'> I would agree with you on that but David Ben-Gurion wasent gest someone he was the leader and after 1948 he became the Prime Minister and then Defense Minister. So you see his view shaped the war at that time "http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/ben_gurion.html" </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The ones who turned down the UN resolution alotting them different land? And when you think about it, this is Jerusalem and Israel, a very religiously historic place.  The jews had been there a long time ago.<span id='postcolor'> Grrrr Bernadotte beat me to it  Â

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ April 14 2003,02:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those animations were great! Â But now back on topic. Here something I read in the german news network (was either www.n24.de or www.n-tv.de) . German analysts fear that the TBA plans to attack Syria preemtively too. This time the reason will be Syria giving aid to terrorists and fleeing Iraqi regime members. Well, these proofs and facts worked one time, so why shouldn`t work that another time on another country, right? The nicest information given was that the TBA already has plans for an oil pipeline across Syria which will be one third shorter than a pipeline not on Syria`s ground. I hope that won`t happen, I really do. But if the TBA forces into another war I hope it`ll get a severe buttkicking this time. Other countries should interfere the next time. But we`ll see what the future brings.<span id='postcolor'> I am amezed with the route Bush has taken. If he keeps this way then we may end up with WWIII. Now he is acusing Syria of having chemical weapons.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ April 14 2003,00:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The palestinians started a war, got owned, lost some land, now they get to deal with it.<span id='postcolor'> Are you so shure about it ? Were the Zionists prepared to settle for the territory granted in the 1947 partition? "While the Yishuv`s leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israeli society- including?Ben Gurion- were opposed to or extremely unhappy with the partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state?s borders beyond the UN-earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians. "Israeli Historian, Benny Morris, in "Tikun", March/April 1998. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't understand how Israeli settlements are illegal at all. Â They captured the land, just haven't made it officially part of their country yet. Â If it's not theirs, whos is it?<span id='postcolor'> How about the palestianas who have lived there for thousands of years.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 13 2003,12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ April 13 2003,125)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If how Israel was created was right then half of the world will be in war.<span id='postcolor'> You said a mouthful. Extrinsically, Israel was created by an act of the UN. In 1948, it would have had smaller borders but the Arabs sought to annihilate the Jewish State. Same thing happened in 1967. Indeed, if everyone behaved like the Arabs, half the world will be in war. I fully agree with that statement of yours. <span id='postcolor'> Ok let's recap the history again. 1. The population of jews prior to 1850 was only 5 procent of palestine 2. 1850 begand the the jews from many parts of the world to move and settle in palestine Jewish attitude towards Arabs upon reaching Palestine "Serfs they (the Jews) were in the lands of the Diaspora, and suddenly they find themselves in freedom [in Palestine]; and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause, and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination." Zionist writer Ahad Ha`am, quoted in Sami Hadawi,"BitterHarvest." 3. The zionism belive is to create a jewish state out of palestine. Sow in your belive its ok for people to come after 1800 years and claim the land and kick the people out of it and if they are fighting back they are either terrorist or anti semit.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> So, when the Israeli soldiers kill innocent palestinians thats alright then? - oh sorry, I forgot that God wanted them to have all the land - no matter what! <span id='postcolor'> Ohh my god wich religion gives you the right to take another mans life for his land? If how Israel was created was right then half of the world will be in war.

Palestinian Students Wounded in School Blast http://reuters.com/newsArt....2537618 For all of you that dont belive that there are also Israeli Terrorists

Israeli Air Attack Kills Seven Palestinians http://reuters.com/newsArt....2531213

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Mar. 19 2003,16:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 19 2003,13:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Mar. 19 2003,01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If this was done anywhere else in the ME there would be uproar and the cruise missiles would be flying.<span id='postcolor'> Guess again. Just less than 2 weeks ago, 2 US citizens were blown to pieces on a bus in Haifa. Much less noise was made then. There was no uproar and no missiles launched. Before that there were dozens of US citizens killed by Palestinian terrorists. News to you? If it is, I'm not surprised.<span id='postcolor'> Where did you see that they where 2 US citizens if i may ask.<span id='postcolor'> I am still waiting Avon

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 25 2003,21:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL! A cute little cartoon. Â If you go there and it doesnt relate to this, go backwards to Tuesday March 24th. <span id='postcolor'> That's one funny cartoon LOL

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 21 2003,12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> Denoir may i ask why my ip is banned . When i try to log in from my computer i get this messgage: Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board You are NOT logged in When i try to click on the log in link i get the same message but when i am trying to log in from a diffrent computer then i can.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Mar. 19 2003,19:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 19 2003,06:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just less than 2 weeks ago, 2 US citizens were blown to pieces on a bus in Haifa. Much less noise was made then. There was no uproar and no missiles launched.<span id='postcolor'> Was the bomb made in the USA and paid for by US taxpayers?<span id='postcolor'> LOL Sorry but that is funny

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 19 2003,13:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Mar. 19 2003,01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If this was done anywhere else in the ME there would be uproar and the cruise missiles would be flying.<span id='postcolor'> Guess again. Just less than 2 weeks ago, 2 US citizens were blown to pieces on a bus in Haifa. Much less noise was made then. There was no uproar and no missiles launched. Before that there were dozens of US citizens killed by Palestinian terrorists. News to you? If it is, I'm not surprised.<span id='postcolor'> Where did you see that they where 2 US citizens if i may ask.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (McH @ Mar. 09 2003,21:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Almost every day the Palastinians launch the Kassam 2 missles at Shderot.. but i see you prefer to "Not Knowing" so...<span id='postcolor'> But i wonder how many missiles those the IDF fires evryday and how many tank sheels. And how many of those are killing civilians ?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drewb99 @ Mar. 09 2003,00:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The enemy AI is too easy- i finished the demo hostage rescue with 25 terrorists and no casualties The new Hearbeat Sensor is a lot better than the old one, but i miss the old radar screen <span id='postcolor'> Ya but was it on hard level ?

Well i wonder who is next after iraq , Iran or Somalia ? I dont think he will stop with iraq .

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IsthatyouJohnWayne @ Mar. 07 2003,15:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anti-americanism- what about anti europeanism?<span id='postcolor'> Lol you guys are sow full of your selfs. You dont know that there is a world out there other then USA. The americans are the only people wich i have seen wich have to say. I am proud to be an american. It's ok to be proud of your own country but do you have to say it all over and put it in others people faces.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Feb. 21 2003,23:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Feb. 15 2003,23:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And my quoting relevant statistics after Noone tried to convince us that the IDF has not killed children is not provoking conflict.<span id='postcolor'> problem with those killed palestinian minors is that the palestinians won't release them for examination by a coroner. why? because they might find ak-slugs in them instead of m16 ones? awful thought, ain't it? since I suppose most of you don't read arabic, you can read interesting articles at www.memri.org. these are articles out of real life arabic newspapers.<span id='postcolor'> Whats next sam are you gonna tell us that all palestinians are actualy killed are by their own people.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Noone @ Feb. 15 2003,16:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I see - so you are suggesting I'm antisemittic! Well, you can go fuck yourself because I don't accept allegations like that. If you cared to look a bit closer in this thread you would clearly know I'm not. You'r an irrelevant little sod! <span id='postcolor'> No, you probably just lack manners and can not keep a civilized discussion. I may also suggest that you suffer from emotional instability and have problems expressing yourself. You may want to calm down, take a deep breath and try again.<span id='postcolor'> Well noone cold you tell me wich part of his statement was anti semitic cause i really dont see it. Tanks killing children whats new it has happend sow many times that it's old news and its very sad. And please dont come here and say we are anti semitic just because we are stating the facts what's happening in Israel. ps if brgnorway was anti semitic then he wouldent get sow angry at you calling him that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cam0flage @ Feb. 02 2003,19:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Surprisingly there were no threads about this, so I decided to make one. Here are few articles I found about the subject: Stalingrad forever! (Pravda) The Greatest Battle of World War II Took Place 60 Years Ago Russia marks Battle of Stalingrad (BBC) I've always found the battle of Stalingrad to be one of the most interesting ones of WWII. What books and movies are your favourites on the subject? Beevor's Stalingrad is a very nice book, and the self-titled German movie from 1993 is excellent. I didn't like Enemy At The Gates that much, apart from impressive battle scenes and the view across Volga, it was too much of a Hollywood film for me.<span id='postcolor'> I agree with you the movie Stalingrad is a good movie. In fact i think it's the best WWII movie i have ever seen cause it's represent the war how it is .

LOL

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Jan. 31 2003,02:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">HEBRON, West Bank Israeli forces staged two major operations in the West Bank on Thursday, fatally shooting two Palestinians in Tulkarm and sending scores of soldiers into battered Hebron, where they closed television stations and demolished a block-long fruit and vegetable market. "Sharon wants to show his muscles now," said Abdul Karim Alzaru, 26, who stood guard outside a bank in Hebron as a convoy of tanks and bulldozers rumbled toward the open-air market in the center of town, then methodically flattened and swept aside scores of stalls hewn roughly from wood, tin and canvas. Most of the vendors had already fled, warned by military loudspeakers that the city was being put under a curfew and that they should close their businesses and retreat to their homes. Those who remained occasionally dashed out into the street with flimsy, dirty plastic bags and frantically scooped up apples or oranges that had not been crushed by the military vehicles, then retreated to sidewalks as the bulldozers and tanks swept around anew, crushing more of the fruit. Israeli military officials said Thursday that their actions came in the course of pursuing Palestinian militants, responding to Palestinian violence and trying to deter terrorist activity.<span id='postcolor'> I suppose Israelis can sleep better tonight?<span id='postcolor'> And this is the man who suppose to bring peace. The only peace he nows is killing more people. And then saying well they where terrorists. I think in his mind it dosent matter if you are a child a woman or an old man. If you are pallestinian then you are a terrorist.