Warin

A bit offtopic, but why is it called the MAC50? It is not related to the MAC Family of Submachinguns, the MAC9, MAC10, or MAC11, which are manufactured by Ingram Armorments. Umm... from the first line of that link... So it's called a MAC because its made by MAC. Makes sense to me

I'm hoping if I can squirrel away enough money from working over the school year to find a cheap European airfair and get a Eurail pass and see some of Europe next summer. Â I think that all of us North Americans should get over to Europe and actually experience the culture a little more. Â Perhaps if we did that, there might be better understanding. Â Same with Euro's coming to Canada/USA. And I would very much like to visit the new Canadian museum at Juno Beach. Of course, I am naturally leary of France. Â It's full of people who think Jerry Lewis is funny, so one MUST be careful.

Nah. I think they have that name reserved for the V-22 Looks like a sweet piece of gear though!

Puff The Magic Dragon. Hee hee hee. Hippy crunchy granola name for a wicked killing machine

Ooooooooh.... DC-3. That one aircraft makes this a must buy for me. One of the most enduring symbols, to me at least, of commercial aviation. Hell, they are still flying around in various places in the world. I got to sit in one when the mechanics were doing engine tests, and it was a glorious feeling to hear those engines crank up. Sent shivers down my spine. Sadly, a good friend of my sisters that worked for the charter company was killed, and the aircraft destroyed, when he and the DC-3 had to make a forced landing and crashed just short of the field. I remember how thrilled I was to go from an IFR only sim on my Vic 20 to MS Flight Sim back in my Commodore 64 days, progressing through versions to 2000. I havent bought one since then, but it looks like Ill end up with this as a relaxing 'fly around' game to take me away from the stresses of dogfighting in FB or LOMAC

You selectively read posts, dont you? No one is saying Saddam was a good guy. No one is trying to say that Iraq wont be a better place now that he's gone. What people are (rightly) saying is that the United States lied and misrepresented the truth, deliberately, in order to conduct a war to oust him. And that is what is wrong, not that Saddam is gone.

MajorFubar Hey, it was also about Japan and Italy's expansionist tendencies. Â CrazySheep And I was responding by saying that if you want to talk about the past with different administrations and leaderships we can talk about Germany and Japan in WWII. Â Gulf War I may of been recent history, but most everything has changed. Â Different president, different military, different international scenario. Â And if you think Bush was just finishing Bush Sr.'s business then I'm done talking with you. LOL. Â You really kill me The current Iraq conflict is intimately tied to US Foreign Policy through the two previous republican presidents before Shrub. Reagan swept to power when Carter was seen to be inefficient and ineffectual after the Shah was ousted by Khomeni. Â Reagan then decided that Iran was the enemy, and pretty much backed Saddam through his war with Iran. Â Bush Sr. had his cronies dupe Saddam into invading Kuwait (We wont get involved in Aran-Arab conflict), and then tried to bolster his sinking popularity with Gulf War 1 (For all the good it did him. Â just like Jr will be, Sr was a one term president). Â This set Saddam up as a 'madman' and is a direct precursor of the current conflict. Â Trying to say that Bush Sr has nothing to do with the current conflict is.. for lack of a batter word, totally blind.

That article tries desperately to show that there were no fabrications or exagerations in the Bush Administration rhetoric leading to war. It fails miserably, even if you ignore that the source is a heavily right leaning journal. The author claimes that: What he is doing in his article is trying to downplay the lies of the administration (aluminum tubes, nigerian uranium, Iraqi theater commanders having chemical and biological weapons) and try to lessen the impact of the deception to the American people. History will tell...

Would you call the F-16 obsolete? It's 70's technology. Airframes have a lot longer operational lifespan than you might think. Even the systems inside most modern airframes are laughably outdated compared to the hunk of hardware sitting on your desk.

I don't see anything Warin has posted that is in escense different from what I have said, and who cares what the reply has been? The reply has been "not my fault" - the brass has said "yes it is - but we won't court martial you" well, now he wants a court martial to clear his name, so in the end him or the top brass will have to face the music for manslaughter....what is your problem with that? PS - replace my "drunk driving" example with "reckless" whatever, it was a simplified example, I just can't phantom how you think he shouldn't be held accountable because he feels bad about it. I think one shouldnt crucify the guy who made the mistake but rather look in the circumstances (go pills, to many flying hours, to high work pressure) that facillitated this mistake. I am not saying he should get off scott free, I am saying he is not the real guilty person here and that allot of persons forget that he is probably as much the victim of this then the people he mistakenly killed. This guy is in no way a victim. Not even remotely. He's a guy that fucked up for many reasons. It doesnt help that apparently his command structure let him down, but that doesnt make him any less responsible. All he had to do was wait sixty seconds for some clarification and this incident would bnever have happened. And since his threat warning system would clearly have shown he wasnt being tracked by enemy radar. and since the flashes werent anywhere near his A/C, he should have waited to drop that bomb. Sorry bout that misunderstanding. I meant that if a truck driver negligently kills someone and goes to jail, so should an F-16 pilot.

So you would have this guy executed? Beg your pardon? Mind showing me where I ever stated I was a proponent of capital punishment, let alone where I said this guy deserved to be executed If you commit manslaughter, usually you get a few years in jail. With good behaviour, you'll prolly be out before the families of those soldiers stop hurting.

Well first off you really should know better being a moderator. Secondly what makes it life threatning? the fact that people are shooting at you or the fact the people are shooting at you and actually hitting you? You doubt he feels bad about it? Well think again. Anyone with a bit of empathy should feel for this guy. I can imagine how i would feel, i doubt this pilot is all that much different. The people who were killed no doubt had families and it is awfull this ever happened but to think this leaves the pilot who dropped the bombs completly cold is just naive. I am not flaming you, nor any other member. Being a moderator doesnt mean I lose my right to an opinion, it just means that I have to be careful not to get into flame wars. All I am pointing out that the pilot of that aircraft was negligent. I would never for a moment think that he did it on purpose. But as Tovarish said, just being sorry doesnt cut it. Any negligence that results in death should be punished the same way. Manslaughter is for cases where there was not willful intent to harm, and that's why I can say this guy commited manslaughter. Anyone accusing him of murder has their technicalities out of whack.

At the least this way someone's going down for this, either the top brass or him will have to face the music, none of this slap in the wrist BS. Maybe it'll even curb this friendly fire tradition. Mwoah, I myself think it was an honest mistake no matter how stupid one it was. I hear allot of talk about the USAF and their horrid record on this. Though it is regretable i dont think this is done on purpose, neither do you i know. The fog of war i guess. I think the pilot who kills friendly forces feels bad enough afterwards .... its enough of a punishment. To me it seems one of the worst things that can happen to a pilot. If he was on drugs, I feel it was a cultural matter. That's awfully inane.. Oooooh...think of how bad he feels for what he did! That is puinishment enough! Balls to that. This guy dropped a 500 pound bomb on his own team! Oops, sorry just doesnt cut it. When some guy with a semi crashes the thing through negligence, and kills people, he goes to jail and his employer gets whacked with a big wrongful death suit. The fact that this guy was behind the stick of a killing machine like an F-16, and from nearly TWO miles straight up decided that some flashes were life threatening (never mind that neither he nor his wingman took any hits) makes him negligent in my book. I hope they fucking loock him up! Yeah, I am not even remotely impartial here. I'll admit it.

More like someone on the Moderator team took it down at the request of 1C.

He paid the most Just kidding ;) Welcome to Hellfish6!

Dunno about FS, but it sure doesn't make me question the government or make me feel betrayed  It's a bird, It's a plane, It's: DEFINITION MAN!!!!

Even your own government thinks it was lied to by the executive branch. Nice that you know better than all those Congressmen and Senators Face it, FS. Bush and his cronies duped everyone to wage an unjustifiable war. No matter how evil Saddam is/was, the US War was a war of aggression. And far more sinister than you care to believe.

Duke Nuke'em Forever. Forever being how long it is taking to develop it. It's been in development since 1998. Â Its sort of the running joke of the FPS genre. Have DNF only been in development since 98? I would have said much longer... Well hwo cares..? And yes.. Pigs will fly in DNF but they'll use jetpacks and shotguns.. hahaha!!! LOMAC: Me so need it...... I just wanna fly the SU-33, SU-27, F-15, F-22, the Tornado, and a Danish F-16C Â IL2: I like CFS 3 better, flying over Germany in 20.000 ft. in formation with 6 B-26's and P-51D's as escort, attacking a factory all with human players... Great... Shame the flight characteristics are balls CFS3 looks ok (sometimes) but I found it was pretty much arcade-ish compared to IL2:FB. I cant wait for LOMAC. I am not really big on the whole 'lock onto a dot, fire a missile, splash a bogey' thing, but this game looks too cool to pass up.

Great post, Toadlife. It sort of supports my belief in what is wrong with ALL governments right now... Pork. Agencies exist that spend more money on their internal operation than they do on what they are supposed to be doing. An example is the firearms registry here in Canada. It's totally ballooned out of control, but it's the pet project of some Liberal caucus member, so it continues, in spite of the horrible cost over runs. If government was responsible for seeing that it operates at the best levels possible, while at the same time charged with honest fiscal responsibility, I think government spending would plummet. Too bad that will never happen there are so many people that get disgustingly rich from mismanaging government money that there is no incentive to improve things.

Duke Nuke'em Forever. Forever being how long it is taking to develop it. It's been in development since 1998. Its sort of the running joke of the FPS genre.

I actually stumbled onto the DNF forum while visiting the Max Payne one, the Devs are actually very involved in the community giving them info and what nots. the day DNF is released is the day I send a pair of glaoshes and some mittens to the devil LOMAC... 25th of June? July? August?

What is vapourware? LOMAC? Strange... all of the previews are using recent builds that are nearing completion. Vapour is when they show 'movies' or 'screenshots' but nothing actually in the engine live. *cough*DNF*cough* Or were you just being a shit disturber?

What does this have to do with Nuclear warheads? And guys, WTH does this have to do with the start of the war? Try and stay on topic. I agree. Anyone deciding to make this a US vs Europe can take a 1 week vacation from posting. Continue with the roots of WW II thread though.

And the richest 1 % hold 90% of the wealth. So shouldnt they pay commensurately more? Umm...they DO, thats the point. and after the tax break...they still pay most of the taxes. All right, but the deficeit still goes up, and they still send more jobs overseas in almost every sector. So how is this tax cut going to benefit the economy as a whole? Perhaps they should have used that money not as a tax cut, but as incentives for employing Americans and keeping industry in the US.

There is no such thing. Â They could have said no. Â And that is a fact. Â As far as I can tell from all the reports, they could have taken themselves off of flight status if they didnt want to take the 'go pills'. Â They made a choice to take them and to fly. Â I'd like to see the general order that makes it a punishable offence to refuse to take drugs.