TermiPete

Sigma - just 2500km? Sounds great - just put it together when you can. I'd offer to help you move but I'm on the other side of the planet Am i right in assuming that OFP has single hull and turret armor values, so there is little point in me recording armor thickness for the different faces? I'll keep plugging away for the time being. TP

Coming back to my hobbyhorse of central vehicle/weapon statistic repository, I would appreciate any links for site containing useful statistics and information on vehicles (besides FAS ). Currently I am tabling this real world data: *** VEHICLES *** Designation/name Country of origin Date of introduction Hull armor (x-y mm) Turret armor Speed (max road speed) Range Amphibious? # Crew # Transport Weight Length (w/barrel) Width Height (inc weapons) Night Vision? IR range Laser range Stablised main weapon? Fire control system Commander sight system Gunner sight system Weapon 1 (type, ammo, elevation) Weapon 2 (type, ammo) Weapon 3 (type, ammo) Weapon 4 (type, ammo) Information source(s) Notes *** WEAPON SYSTEMS *** Designation/name Country of origin Ammo type Penetration Min range Max effective range Flight time to max range Speed Anti-air? Rounds per minute Notes Info source(s) Vehicles used on What I would like is a knowledgeable addon maker to provide the list of OFP attributes that we will record for each addon vehicle or weapon. Any volunteers? TP

I for one say yes! One has only to look at the success of the FDF Mod and the lengths they have gone to for realism AND consistency - i perceive them to be real purists, and the results have been extremely well received and popular. I may be wrong, but i think many of us still working on and playing OFP and eagerly awaiting each new addon relish the whole 'simulation' aspect of OFP, and as Sigma says, having to use brain/tactics to deal with brawn/lethality issues. [brain not always working tho ]

Too true - the idea of an open database is good but will take more work to prepare and could also be open to abuse(?). I'd also like to make it clear that I'm not trying to 'own' anything here - i would much prefer if the experienced addon makers did this but I simply want this to happen! So if I can help kick it off I will, but am quite happy to defer to someone more knowledgeable.

Perhaps it is a good idea for starters to create a 'central repository' for information just in HTML format as a resource and a home for a smart and consistent way of handling values. I have a lot of BIS values and some real world data collated in an XLS spreadsheet (Yes I am a sad sack) which is easy to manipulate, distribute and publish. I also have free hosting and can create user accounts for inidividuals who wish to contribute. Would anyone like to see this kicked off in this way ? Alternatives? TP

The database sounds like a good idea and should combine both OFP and real world values - i can't see it creating (m)any disputes. What we need to do is set up a site with a database behind it into which people can submit vehicle and weapon system data. Who would be best to make and monitor this? I can probably knock something amateur up to get it started. TP

Shadow - surely the magic of JAM is that it can be tweaked based on educated feedback and everybody benefits.

Yep - apparently they find it fairly useful. They provided excellent feedback re my config of the current LAW etc, as well as vehicle schematics and photos from field exercises. Unfortunately our modelling team have varied interests and the vehicle product has slowed right down . . . And just standard OFP - gotta watch the budget down here Man am I going off topic! Been watching the forums for a LONG time and thought i should finally say something

Are you working from a calculation system or just setting comparable/relative values?

DeadMeat - is BAS using similar armour and weapon value calculation methods to RHS? If so, a good start would be to publish these calculation systems. Sigma - I subscribe to your 'realism has its own rewards' school of thought - have you considered releasing your system? Maybe if you guys can provide this basic information, perhaps some motivated noobs like Gazmen and myself can kick off a vehicular JAM system that reflects the work already done by RHS and BAS? Think of the flexibility - chuck a new 'modern era ammo Ural' at a supply dump that can rearm any mod teams BMP2, BMP3 or T72 with no additional config! (I'm not much of an expert but know my way around configs OK - my only credit so far is producing infantry (featuring JAM!) that are used by the New Zealand Army at the Linton Simulation Centre for tactical training).

Gotta say that's a damned shame - consistency would add so much value to plethora of addons produced within 'the community'. It would be brilliant if at least some of the leading teams (DKM, RHS, BAS, ONS) could *rationalise* weapon and armor values. I applaud anyone who has taken the step of using JAM - it is not perfect but is an intelligent move in the right direction. I believe it would also save a lot of time spent in beta testing new addons to figure out if the play-balance is right.