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I currently serve as a military police sniper (158 days left  ) in the finnish army, so naturally i hear all kinds of stories, but i have to admit this is one of the best ones around. Last week i talked to one of my old friends from the military police company, who now serves in the anti-tank company. He told me there is a lieutnant in the anti-tank company who has a suspension in promotions, because he had lost a SISU XA-188 APC when the company was camping out in the woods during the winter. The lieutnant had driven the XA-188 into a deep hole, and covered the hole with a few camonets. During the night there was a heavy snowfall and temperature was very low. The result: In the morning the XA-188 was nowhere to be found, and the whole company searched the area by hitting the ground with wooden sticks. The same lieutnant has a really bad memory, i heard he has also lost 3 assault rifles during camps.
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Now this is probably a "tornihuhu" (a rumor that's not true. Very common in the army). In these rumors some officer usually have suspension in promotions or have been demoted.
In Finnish Army officer can not be demoted. He can be fired or he can lost his rank totally in court. And offically there are not such thing as suspension in promotions (ylenemiskielto). But because the promotions aren't automatic and a superior officers must recommend the promotion so if some officer have made some serious mistakes his superior won't recommend him. And this is usually undestand as "ylenemiskielto". It's not quite the same thing.
Now some points from the story. It says that the officers lost the Pasi. Now why was the officer driving the APC ? There are drivers to do that. And how can he lost his rifle 3 times ? At least where I served officers usually didn't carry a gun on exercises (well I wasn't in the infantry but I believe that officers are the same everywhere).
I have heard this story in slightly different version. In that version some driver parked his truck somewhere and in the morning they coudn't find it.
There are also some classic stories. In every garrison there are that bullet hole in the canteen roof because some MP once shoot in the air when trying to restore order in the canteen.
You can also generate new rumors and tell them to someone and after that you wait and see how long it takes when someone will came to you and tell this rumor as true thing that happened to someone in the next company
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20 € = 20 cents ?
If so please contact me.
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20 € = 20 Euros = 17,96 $
Here is some online currency calculator
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Reuters article here
"There was no official number of injuries, but the fire department unofficially counted six people going to hospitals.
Unofficially fire department people on the scene said it may have been an industrial accident."
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50 € a month for 256/256 ADSL connection. (That include the connection and the ISP)
I can connect 5 PC's to it.
Unlimited access
168GRN HPBT:
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The company here that dose these things to my ass, tells me that the plans are "well placed in the world market" (no shit I got that out of them this week).
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Does all ISP's in Australia use transfer caps ?
I don't know any ISP here in Finland that uses them. Probably because if someone tried they would be out of business in no time.
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Denoir, what do you mean? Â I just mean squatting like a duck, only supporting yourself with your hands to keep your bottom off the ground.
This way, provided your hands don't slip, you can keep your feet a little bit outstreched in front of you so you don't poop on your heels. Â Then you can just wipe yourself with a rag or tiolet paper.
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Well this might work during summer but I wouldn't try this in winter conditions when there are 30-40 cm of snow and temperature is -15ÅŸC. And your hands wouldn't be free for shooting at you enemy.
In those conditions your butt will freeze very quickly so you better learn to be quick.
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I don't think that they had peace keeping missions in mind when they introduced the rule. The point was probably that after you have served your time as a private for instance that if we go to war you get the rank of PFC. It is not designed for re-enlisting several times..
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We also have a principle of that after you leave the military you are put in the "war-reserve" and promoted up one step.
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OK, this brings me to another question. You explained in your previous post that when your service time is up you will be moved to reserves and promoted. So do you also promote all privates to PFC when they are moved to reserves. If so then you don't have any privates on reserves only PFC's ?
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The quickest way of climbing up the NCO ranks is to join peace keeping missons that Sweden is involved in. This is beacause of the strange fact that they always (if possible) promote you when you *leave* the military. The peace keeping missions are usually for six months and then your employment with the military ends and you get promoted. Next time you can join another peace keeping mission and get promoted again...
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Yes it really sounds strange. Do you know where this originates ?
In FDF there are certain rules for reserve promotions. It must be at least 5 years from your previous promotion and you need to have certain amount of refreshment training days between the promotions. But the promotion is not automatic. So even if you meet both criterias it doesn't meen that you will be promoted.
For active officers it's 2 years if my memory serves me correctly. And for higher ranks they need to have certain cources etc.
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In Finland the rank structure is the following:
Suomi           Offical           US
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Officers
Kenraali          General           General
Kenraaliluutnantti    Lt. General        Lt. General
Kenraalimajuri      Maj. General       Maj. General
Prikaatinkenraali    Brigadier General   Brigadier General
Eversti           Colonel           Colonel
Everstiluutnantti     Lt. Colonel        Lt. Colonel
Majuri            Major            Major
Kapteeni          Captain          Captain
Yliluutnantti        Senior Lieutenant    n/a
Luutnantti         Lieutenant        1st Lieutenant
Vänrikki           2nd Lieutenant     2nd Lieutenant
NCO's
Sotilasmestari      Chief Warrant Officer      Sergeant Major
Ylivääpeli (*       (Senior Warrant Officer)    Master Sergeant
Vääpeli          Warrant Officer           Sergeant first class
Ylikersantti        Staff Sergeant           Staff Sergeant
Kersantti         Sergeant               Sergeant
Alikersantti        Corporal               Corporal
Rank and File
korpraali          Lance Corporal          Private First Class
sotamies          Private                Private
Now this is the basic layout. There are several exeptions (like enlistees, MCS's etc) but I'm not going to explain them now.
The offical translation shows how Finnish army translatates its ranks in UN service.
(*  The rank of Ylivääpeli (senior warrant officer) no longer exist in FDF. It was removed in early 1990s
Corporal is a NCO in FDF and acts as a squad leader. I'm not sure if it's a
NCO rank in US and UK armies where squad leader is usually a sergeant.
Nowadays there aren't any active NCO's serving in FDF.
The rank you get depends of your training. After the basic training (8 weeks) the choices are made to the NCO school. They will ask you do you want to go, but this doesn't mean anything. Because you can be ordered to go (Nowadays this is a problem because the service times in FDF are 6,9,12 months. NCO school is 12 and if you don't go you will probably get out in 6 months). NCO school is divided in two parts. First part last 7 weeks and after this the best are send to the Reserve Officers school witch will last 14 weeks. The rest will continue to the 2nd part of the NCO school and it will last 9 weeks. So NCO school in total is 16 weeks and Reserve officer school 21 weeks. Student in the NCO school is called underofficer student (Offical translation). After they graduate NCO school they will be promoted to corporals. Student in reserve officer school is called Officer student (equivalent to the corporal) and after the Reserve officer school they are promoted to the Officer Cadet (equivalent to the sergeant). And on the last day the Officer Cadets are promoted to 2nd Lieutenants. Few corporals are promoted to sergeants during the last 6 months. And few privates are promoted to lance corporals. After the schools corporals and Officer cadets will spend rest of their service time leading a squad or platoon and practicing the skill they have learned. Some are trained to some special jobs.
When your time is up you will be moved to the reserves with the rank you are holding. So the aren't any automatic promotion.
If you are interested to learn more about FDF download and read the:
Facts about the Finnish Defence Forces (3.7 MB)
It's PDF so you will need acrobat reader.
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Now I'm curious, in the Marines, how do the ranks go?
I don't really know. Â Or should I just wait til I join up to learn all that stuff?
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Here is a good page of US military ranks:
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well, what do u want. hitler was a corporal, and as i recall from my service, every corporal thought himself a genius!
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Hitler wasn't a corporal. He was a lance corporal.
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for food... i m french, so i ll say nothing (some Rgt friend did the gulf war and it's rumored that our fields food exchanged for 1 to 8 US ration)... keep yours.
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Well what comes to the field rations in Finnish Army they are very good. But as I explained in my previous post the food usually comes from the field kitchen. The ration is very large. It's ment for one day but there is no way you could eat it in one day. It usually takes two days to eat one. But the problem is that they aren't issued very often.
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When I was in army, there was this rumour that you are not
allowed to shave in the field, because you can get cut and
that could cause some infection?
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Yes you are right. When I was in the army we were told that shaving on the field was not allowed or at least not recommended.
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Aahh, military and toilet paper.. in FDF they don't issue it. But squad leaders usually make sure that their squad have plenty of it.
And what comes to the weight of full gear really depends how long you have been in the army. In the begining you pack everything that's on the list. And that weights a lot. But after you have been there a while you start wondering what the fuck you are doing with all that shit and you accidently "forgot" some items that are on the list
In the end I had only some warm clothes, sleeping bag and the pad you put on the ground. (No idea what it's called) And of course a lot of extra food and some pillows to make the backpack look full.
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"Neckshot" is a brutal method of execution. As far as I'm concerned, the people judged to death penalty in Russia
have been executioned with a neckshot, at least until lately.
That may depend on prison, of course, Russia is a large country with varying manners..
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I don't know how they have executed people in the past but nowadays Russia are not carrying out the executions because they joined the European Council and a requirement for the membership in the council is that the country can't have a death penalty.
However this execution method is used in China.
And there are rumor that Chinese officals are billing the relatives of the criminal for the bullet that was used to execute him. However I don't know if it's true or not.
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(Oligo @ Mar. 26 2002,16:13)
Well, living in the barracks is almost completely extremely ugly. But when you get to those exercises, well, there is much beauty in there. What I'm talking about is the nature that surrounds you.
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Yes this is true and on the barracks there are allways the same routine. And if you don't have anything to do some officer will soon find some job for you.
But on the exercises you don't usually have to do any extra shit. Well this is true at least in the Signal Corps where I served, because the groups (stations) operate very independently. Groups are usually ordered to go to some location and start operating. Officer(s) usually visit these sites once a day and because it's the army they have to bitch about something so usually it's either the guardpost or the camouflage that sucks and have to be redone or improved. But other than that when you don't have anything else to do you can do whatever you want. Most people choose sleeping.
Of course the disadvantage of this is that you have sleep in the "Sissiteltta" witch is a small tent designed for about 7 people and it's very low so you can hardly sit straight in the middle of the tent.
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4AndyZMTAs in Poland are huge but im talking about "live fire area"
Believe me i have this inforamtion form NATO HQ
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I'm not really sure what you mean by live fire area but Rovajärvi life fire shooting area in northern Finland is about 1200 sq.km and it is reported to be the largest in western europe.
It is used mainly by the finnish artillery but also other branches of the military uses it.
There was an article in the official army magazine.
It's in finnish but I'll post the link as my source.
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my friend who served in the artillery once told me this story:
They were on the artillery exercise in the Finnish lapland and one night when it was his turn to keep the fire he went outside to collect some firewood. Their tent was close to their batterys HQ witch had a electric generator. The generator was one of the older ones witch have a internal fuel tank unlike the newer ones witch have a hose that you can put into the jerrycan (witch make it a lot easier to refuel). Outside he saw two people refueling the generator. As you can imagine pouring fuel into the generators fuel tank in the middle of the night is quite difficult because you can't see anything and some fuel allways go to the top of the generator and to the ground. So these guys solved the problem by using a lighter to show the light. Other showed the light while other refueled the generator.
Nothing actually happened, but I think that those guys were just lucky
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I served in the Finnish army Signal corps as a corporal
Signal corps task is among other things to form the backbone of the brigades signal network. One brigade has 24 signal stations for this task. Station is manned be one corporal and six privates.
Once we were on exercise and one squad leader recieved a movement order. He was ordered to move his station in the given cordinates and as always he was given a time when everything was supposed to be ready in the new position. It was something like 2200 when he recieved these orders. Well they got their gear together and they started driving towards the assigned location. This guy wasn't so good at reading the map so ofcourse they got lost. When he realised that he was lost he ordered the driver to park the vehicle and told his squad that they could start sleeping. Ofcourse he should have tried to find out where he was and continue to the assigned position (how hard can it be ? He was driving on the main road. There are always crossroads with signs on them) or radio to the command post for instructions.
The assigned time went past.
First nobody noticed, because everybody tought that they just were late. It's quite common. After some time we started to wonder where his station was and we tried to contact him. No answer was recieved. So we notified our company HQ and asked if they had any info about this station. They didn't. After this couple of instructors started looking for them.
After several hours of looking the instructors managed to find this station and ofcourse the squad was sleeping. I heard that the instructors were quit pissed.
I'm not sure what they said to this guy but I'm sure that it wasn't anything positive.
Camouflage and cam patterns.
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Here are some pictures of the finnish m91 (model 91, from the year 1991, of course) combat uniform.
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Yep thats m/91 all right. And that's what you are going to see in every official army picture. But the old m/62 (yes it's from 1962) is still widely used. In a fact it is still more common than m/91. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures from it.