spooky lynx

All fingers already pointing and will point only at separatists, the whole incident had been planned for this. Before this crash the situation turned very bad for Kiev - its armed forces suffered heavy losses at battle zone and are almost defeated, and, what is more horrible for it, European leaders started to point at excessive use of force by Kiev and losses among civilians caused by Kiev forces. Even media outlets started to publish facts about it and ask improper questions. And what is saddest thing for Kiev and US - Europe was very sceptical about further appying of sanctions on Russia. And after the crash - what a magic - situation turned 180 degrees! That was the purpose of this ugly and horrible provocation, in which almost 300 innocent people payed their lives for saving Kiev regime. P.S. Sure you may say I'm tinfoil hat and conspiracy theorist but for me this situation is too obvious. Even publishing exact info in Kiev's controlled (and then other western) media right after the crash about plane been shot down by insurgents (long before any official conclusion) says about it.

One more interesting notice: seems that plane was damaged by HE-rod warhead typically used in air-to-air missile rather than by HE-Frag one used in surface-to-air missiles. Are you ICAO official or CIA senior officer to make such dogmatical statement? How will you react if official comission will say something other?

They aren't able to control their airspace because they were dumb enough to let separatism raise instead of negotiations with population of eastern Ukraine and admitting at least part of their demands. But hell no, why listen to own population? It's better to move army and paramilitary batallions to opress it.

I've seen that videos and compared them with maps so you can't say for sure those Grads were on Russian territory. That's it. About tracks... Maybe you are super-expert that can distinguish tracks from average Ural or KaMAZ truck (that can be either military or civil) and Grad launchers but I can't. Even if those Grads were really stationed in Russian territory - then it's good answer on numerous artillery attacks and armor driving from Ukraine (I'd remind you that a number of people were killed and wounded as a result). We are learning fast from 'civilized world' like Israel how to react on artillery attacks at us. I'd repeat, we should have performed a strike long before - when UNA-UNSO nationalists appeared in Chechnya in masses. Like every 'civilized' country would do.

Another test-tube with white powder?

It is not the fact but your wet dreams.

MoD already stated that it detected work of Ukrainian air-defence systems in the area of suspected shooting. But who cares if beforehead Russia and pro-Russian insurgents were labeled as guilty? Meanwhile today Ukrainian artillery fired at Lugansk]. About 20 civilians died. -LINK REMOVED-

The thing is that almost all luggage is destroyed. I've posted link with routes of this plane in recent days. The last flight was directed too much to the east towards battle zone comparing with previous flights. So I'm curious what was it - a mistake or forced direction to unsafe zone.

The crash suits for Kiev. Too much. Some hours before crash Ukrainian Defence council released the statement that rebels have some weapons capable of destroying aerial targets at high attitudes. Then just after the crash many of Kiev officials cried about rebels shot down the plane and begged NATO to intervene. Also many Western media outlets posted accusations of Russia and insurgents (I've posted one example). Things happen too fast, don't you think? Then, why the plane had been guided into battle zone out of safe route? Mistake? Then why hadn't it happened earlier?

I'm not desperate to post fake videos made two days before upload;)

From what I've seen in other videos from crash site (I don't link them here as they are truly NSFW, the video I linked is the safest one - corpses are blurred enough) everything is either burned or badly damaged - luggage, fuselage, chairs etc. I'd understand if a couple of papers would be found but not such big number.

IMO it's very strange that such a big number of passports remained totally untouched while all other stuff turned into pieces or burned. The plane had enough fuel in its tanks for huge fire that can destroy almost everything.

Not this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je0EVpxEwvY Who will find one interesting thing in this video first?

True. But launcher's own radar has detection range only about 20 km. So, as I've said, rather low for successful engagement of high attitude target. Hm... What's up with IFF if radar mark of such plane as Boeing-777 differs much from any kind of UA fighter/attack plane or An-26-kind of transport?

One TEL. That's all. And to use Buk on its full abilities you need radar too. Where's it? Logical? Do you know how the plane like Boeing and An-26 look like at radar screen? Oh yes and operator of this very complex and expencive machine would be idiot... Do you really believe in what you are writing? So why don't you believe in Ukrainian idiot sitting in UA army Buk or idiot fighter pilot? Moreover Ukrainians already have successful experience in hitting civil aircrafts with AA missiles and own civil houses with surface-to-surface missiles. Until now rebels showed only photos of one TEL, no other operational vehicles included in complex. Although only TEL can't fire missile successfully at high attitude and long range without external targeting. If rebels really got Buk from Russia, where are other vehicles included in battery? Why only one TEL is shown? And isn't it logical provide skilled enough crew who can operate well such complex equipment? Maybe we are smart enough not to speculate on this tragedy until more info will be gathered after analysis of 'black boxes'.

So you don't have any ideas. Nice.

You'd better calm down and explain me, how did it happen that a number of UA news outlets simultaneously posted a message that insurgents have some weapons capable for destroying aerial targets at high attitudes and then after some time a news about fallen Boeing appeared? Magical coincidence?

So that confirmes that Buks are of Ukrainian army (I've posted photos of them, taken near Slaviansk), and Ukrainian army is responsible for the shooting. Edit: http://instagram.com/p/qkWNPgs7bT/ Everything as I said: massive hysteria and accusing Russia and pro-Russian insurgents are already started even before any official conclusions and analysis were done. Nice provocation... Except that nearly 300 innocent lives were lost for sake of someone's political ambitions and attempt to save friendly Kiev regime from disaster.

Silence, hussars! UA military servicemen stated that none of Buk AA systems were captured by insurgents.

Oh is he Kremlin agent too?:confused:

Unfortunately foreign journalists tend to leave battle zone before any serious battle. It's true sign even since first chechen war noted by our troops - if foreign journalists pack their stuff then a serious attack will start soon. The same appeared in Donbass. Most of foreign press workers left the area right before UA offensive. ---------- Post added at 23:05 ---------- Previous post was at 22:55 ---------- I found some other words: "In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control also" (google translated) Now I think about other reason: this guy says about two fighter escorted the Boeing. Witness on the ground spotted one fighter and two men with parachutes. So it could be collision of two planes - Ukrainian fighter and Boeing. Knowing bad shape of most Ukrainian pilots this could be real.

But how did lenta.ru and lifenews got the photos and videos?

Don't want to upset you but I don't watch it.

One more strange thing in this crash: all the flights during 14/07, 15/07, 16/07 went way more to the west. http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/signor_antonio/69093926/49948/49948_original.jpg (356 kB) http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/signor_antonio/69093926/50899/50899_original.jpg (392 kB) http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/signor_antonio/69093926/51077/51077_original.jpg (355 kB) http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/signor_antonio/69093926/50624/50624_original.jpg (333 kB)