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  4. Posted

    Surprised there's been no feedback about the "new" rules yet, obviously you're all very happy with them which is good to know  wink_o.gif

    well seeing as u asked,

    First of all wouldn`t it be better to re-title the off topic forum to something like "Debate forum". Off-topic gives ppl the wrong ideas.

    The eplicit imgaes rule could be tweaked.

    For example if i posted one of the pictures of a fried iraqi during the first gulf war,without mentioning it was infact someone who got fried, it would look like a stage prop made out of paper mache` but i would fall foul of this rule.

    Or perhaps the NWS tag like in the somethingawful forums(bit like the old off topic forum here except over there u need to pay to use the forum sad_o.gif )

    The point im making is that what happens if the picture is not graphic but the meaning behind it is rock.gif

  5. Posted

    There are a few sites on the net that sell old army armoured vehicles.  Not too expensive to buy, but they use a LOT of fuel ;)

    I live in the UK and my father owns (legally) a 5 shot repeater shotgun; you just need a firearms licence as opposed to a shotgun license.  I have a side by side myself, although its registered to him and kept in his gun cabinet sad_o.gif

    I think gun ownership is fine (obviously ;) ) as long as sufficient background checks and licensing is done, as well as probably a graduated license scheme, so its easier to get a shotgun or small rifle than an MG3 (although civvies can't own burst or auto weapons here AFAIK)

    I think ur not allowed semi-autos either unless their .22 or under.

    As far as i knew u only needed a firearms for a shotgun when u wanted to to  use slugs as opposed to shot.

    Im sure that the max u could have on a pump action shotgun,i`m assuming its a pump-shotgun, was 2  in the magazine and one in the chamber,a total of 3 shells in ur gun.

    So i went off in search of the police guide and found this here

    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crimpol/firearms/index.html The police guide is on one of the links near the bottom.

    Quote[/b] ]Gun Amnesty Results

    Our recent Gun Amnesty – Get Guns Off the Streets – was a great success.

    Between 31 March and 30 April 2003, the amnesty encouraged people to hand in illegally held guns and ammunition at local police stations without being charged.

    We also encouraged people to hand in any other unwanted guns.

    A total of 43,908 guns and 1,039,358 rounds of ammunition were handed in and are no longer at risk of falling in the hands of criminals.

    This compares to 22,939 guns and 695,197 rounds of ammunition relinquished during the previous amnesty in June 1996.

    The items included:

    6,529 prohibited firearms (including 5,734 handguns)

    10,513 shot guns

    13,974 air weapons

    9,480 imitations

    3,412 assorted rifles and other guns.

    In addition 7,093 other weapons were also handed in including knives, swords and crossbows.

    Interesting to see the bulk of it being airguns(not weapons)

    Thing is we will never know  how many of the airguns were illegal by being over the power-limit here for airguns  wink_o.gif

    Imitations too.

    swords knives crossbows.

    Im not sure what would be classed as assored rifles and other guns,possibly legal ones that ppl don`t have a license for or just want rid  of them.

    Its nice how u can mix the statistics a bit to  get a bigger  number but is a bigger number better,i mean if thats the amount of ppl willing to hand guns into a police station then what about the ppl who`re not  wow_o.gif

  6. Posted

    and a certain beardy fellow once said, those that sacrife freedoms for saftey do not deserve either.

    I sstill say that GTA3 is more or less a cartoony game that has the rating it does because of its drugs and slight sexual undertones.

    If they`d been watching tom & jerry or itchy and scratchy i think it would of been a lot worse than a few ppl getting shot wink_o.gif

  8. Posted

    Basicly what hellfish said.In shogun total war u get part of the game where its turn based and u manage resources and set up ur plans then will come a time deploy ur soldiers and battlle with t he enemy in real time smile_o.gif

  13. Posted

    Before thread gets closed i'll chime in too.

    According to state of California, I'm conpetent enough to own a gun.

    and that's a good reason to have more control tounge_o.gif

    in serious state:

    as many others before others said, there is issue of someone getting gun and someone not.

    but the situations do arise when the ability may erode. just a few months ago here in LA, some derainged person barricaded himself, and ultimately got shot. he didn't go down easy. he fired on two officers who first came to the scene. he had a semi-auto rifle(probably some crappy Ruger carbine). He worked as a security guard until a few months before, and after loosing his job, showed some strange behaviours. until then he was perfectly normal.

    so what's the conclusion? i beleive this American society and others needs to change its attitude about guns. we tend to think that guns are 'cool' and blasting someone is not that bad. gun is made to kill whatever it is firing at. it's a weapon. the society and individuals need to address that consequence of a firearm is much greater than the inital action (of pulling trigger).

    I edited the quote to parts ill comment on in order of paragraphs.

    Why does everyone think this thread will decend into a flame war,u should give me mod status over this thread to keep it clean tounge_o.gif

    Thats an interesting problem u have highlighted,i guess there will always be a few nutter in the works although i find just declaring someone nutty as dangerous because it makes it to easy to use as an excuse rock.gif

    BTW whats the procedures for safe keeping of a pistol.When i was a cadet the procedure for the assault rifles to make it "safe" was to

    1: engage saftey

    2: disengage magazine

    3: pull bolt back

    4: inspect the bolt,the internals of the gun and magazine housing and the chamber.

    5. release bolt

    6. disengage the safety catch,point gun and fire in a safe direction to release the hammer then re-engage the safety.

    Is that more or less the same?

  14. Posted

    Quote[/b] ]Basically, the laws here in Oz are: license required for any firearm ownership, inlcluding air-rifles and paintball guns. Special licensing required for pistols. All weapons and ammo must be kept in seperate gun safes, which must meet design standards (i.e. no keeping a loaded weapon under your bed for home defence). No semi-auto rifles, no pump action shotguns, 6 round limit on pistols...personally, I think these are a little too draconian. And most of the ammendments were made after 2 seperate spree-shooting incidents as a knee-jerk, vote grabbing reaction by the various governments.

    I guess i`d be an criminal if i ever moved to australia,fubar wink_o.gif

    Apart from the airgun and no pump action shotguns(though in the uk u c an only have a pump with a max of 3 shells,just 1 more than a double barrel rock.gif) ur more or less the same as here bar pistols.

    Do u have any limmits on the power of airguns and what are the laws for bows and crossbows,over here u can get them but ur not allowed to hunt with them rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]If I feel threatened, I want to know that there's something I can do to protect myself. Yes, that entails owning a gun because it's simply the most effective means of protecting myself. I have enormous faith in the police, at least where I live, but I can't expect them to be there immediately when I need them. Case in point - about two years ago, when I was still in college, someone tried to rob me in the hallway of my apartment building. He had his hand stuffed into his pants and said that he had a gun. Knowing full well that a pistol does NOT look like an outstretched index finger, I called his bluff, punched him, and called the police.

    I'm not saying that in this case a pistol would have helped me, unless I had been carrying it on me at the time, which is another debate entirely (concealed carry). But later that night, after the little shit escaped and the police left, you're damn right I wish I had a rifle or a pistol. I don't know if he was the kind of kid (yes, he was not older than 19 - probably 17) who got really stupid and wanted revenge or something. So I slept with a carving knife beside my bed for a week.

    A little info for those those who haven`t had a "shakedown" by potential muggers so u can spot it and get a better position to get away or ready urself to incapacitate them if possible.

    Watch for any person or persons moving directly in way of ur path further up ahead that would stop u moving by them also check ur six too to see if theres anyone suspicious behind u just incase.

    Be wary of ppl asking for something while moving into ur personal space such as asking for the time,a light,spare change,asking directions and so on and just be aware in general and not just in shady areas too be on ur guard in places where there may not too many ppl about or places u may walk past which may be a good ambush point.

    Quote[/b] ]And I'm sure a lot of people, assuming this topic doesn't get spoiled and locked, will make a lot of great arguments against gun ownership, but no argument can give you the peace of mind that just knowing that you have a way to fight back on at least equal terms can give you.

    God... I sound like a Republican.

    thats the funny thing about US politics,hellfish.

    U would think that would make someone a liberal wanting to give ppl rights (as in liberty,freedoms) tounge_o.gif

  15. Posted

    I am sorry to ask but is that site a joke or a real movement?

    I am lost on the exact situation of gun control in the UK and Canada. Once I know I can began to reflect my oppinion on the subject. BTW Dihydrous Oxide  is water

    "If you mix Dihydrous Oxide Powder with H2O and stir well You would have Instant Water. (wonder what the shelf life is of the powder might be the answer to expensive

    R/O Water maker's) (:o)"

    Its a silly website thats making fun of this website which is a serious website which wants all guns banned and usually spouts some shit that would be funny if gormless asspots stumbling onto that site weren`t so gullible as to believe it all rock.gif

    Let me comment this little snippet taken from here with some of my commentshttp://www.gun-control-network.org/Current%20Issues.htm

    Quote[/b] ]CAMPAIGN FOR AIRGUN CONTROL

    - protecting children from airguns

    Wednesday 18 September 2002

    10.00am

    Jubilee Room House of Commons

    Victims, campaigning groups and MPs from around the country will come together to press the government to take action on the growing problem of airguns.

    · Airgun crime is escalating. 7506 incidents in 1997 - 10,227 in 2001/2.

    this is what bugs me about statistics u never really know thhe exact ins and outs of them like for example suicides being counted as fatalities in some places.Just how many of these are just how many of thhese iincidents are due to ignorance say for example someone shooting in their garden andd the neighbours phone the cops and so on rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]· Hundreds of children are being injured - and occasionally some are killed - by airguns.

    by knives too, i want a worldwide cutlery ban rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]· Thousands of birds and animals are killed and injured every year.

    apart from the type of scumbag who shoots ur cat u can legally shoot vermin on ur own land and im sure landowners are obliged to keep vermin numbers down rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]· Airguns are freely available in toyshops, army surplus stores, car boot sales, market stalls and by mail order and the internet. No certification is required.

    I have seen NO toyshops sell airguns infact the closet u could get to that statement would be newsagents who maybe sell low powered airsoft pistols or more likely the old fashioned sucker guns rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]· Many airguns can be easily converted to firing real bullets eg the Brocock.

    all i can say is that statement is high on the bullshit factor.i`ve already mention a CERTAIN type of brocock which u could possiblle convert to fire .22 ammo at the risk of the user,then again a pipe strong,elastic band and nail could make a real gun infact it would be a lot easier and cheaper to do that than to try and mess around with an expensive airgun rock.gif another classic example of uninformed bullshit.

    Quote[/b] ]· Most air pistols look like real lethal handguns and are regularly mistaken for them.

    while most airsoft guns look real u cant get pistols here anymore not that that will stop the public thinking that some littles kids running around with a real gun when infact he has a cap gun.I blame the newspapers for warping the general publics simple minds and plain bullshittery to boot rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]· On the basis of the Firearms Consultative Committee's proposed definition of 'lethality' most airguns should be considered 'lethal weapons' and be registered.

    because criminals never lie and would register any guns they have and when i say criminal i mean the career criminal who steals ur stuff for fun.

    I guess they would also be meaning all airguns as well because they`re all *lethal

    As for firearms consultants they would ban catapults if they could rock.gif .

    Quote[/b] ]· The Home Affairs Committee in its report into Controls over Firearms in April 2000 recommended certification and a minimum age limit for airgun possession and use. The government rejected that proposal.

    Im very sure there already is a minimum age for possesion,i will condem this as a blatant lie when i get my sources rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]The Campaign for Airgun Control has been established as an umbrella group to press for legislation which would

    · Set a minimum age limit of 17 for the purchase, sale and use of airguns defined as 'lethal'.

    mmmm *lethal and the legal age for buying airguns has been 17 for ages,bullshittery strikes again rock.gif

    Quote[/b] ]

    · Introduce a unified registration system for all guns defined as 'lethal'.

    guess everyone will just move on to throwing rocks at each other because they`re *lethal too wink_o.gif

    Quote[/b] ]· Ban the sale, import and manufacture of imitation weapons and their possession in a public place.

    in other words they want to ban things that look llike guns,guess ralph will have to give up his glue gun if he wants to come to the UK wink_o.gif

    *lethal by their standards that is,which is if some projectile could cause death to someone even if its very very slim , like if it took jamming the gun up someones nose and shooting it multiple times or pulling off and almost impossible shot through someones eyesocket to kill them rock.gif

  17. Posted

    http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/

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    http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/rep_guns1.htm#*Imagination

    Found this  place while looking around and found it quite funny

    I took this quote from the gta3 thread

    Quote[/b] ]Quote  

    I've been told about a certain type, i can't name it, nor would I want to. All you need is some basic equipment, a barrel and some other modifications to the metal replica (sorry, i didnt make it clear it is a replica and not a cap gun, but the replica is intended as non-working and classed as a toy)

    I beleive the brand name of the air pistols was "Brocock", made in the UK, and I do beleive the government banned them not long after those crimes happened. Basically, the Brocock guns used a cartridge filled with compressed air with a pellet at the tip to fire off a single round each. The guns came with a number of cartridges that resembled actual bullets, which you could load into one of their guns for a more realistic feel. They came in either .22 or .38 calibre, and the guns themselves were either a revolver or a bolt-action rifle. A novel idea if you ask me. To prevent people from loading real rounds, the cartridges were bevelled, and so were the chambers for them. To convert them, the criminals just drilled out the bevelling in the chamber so they could load real rounds. However, the air pistols were never designed to handle the pressure of live rounds, so the rifling would wear out and/or the breech would give out and the gun would explode in the criminals hands.

    ur not quite right there assault,they came in .22  or.177 over here with large shells(9,10mm possibly) as far as  i know they way the  made them shoot  live ammo was to put small pipes in the chamber of the revolver so u could stick .22 ammo in it

    or so they say.

    I wonder what they`re going to  do when it reaches the satges that ppl start building their own guns  rock.gif

    After the shooting in birmingham with a real gun,uzi  i think,the government set their sights on replicas and wanted  to  ban them and the broccok guns got drawn  into this too though u can still buy them but i think they`re going  try and make some form of license for it.

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  18. Posted

    The game was merely a "trigger", if you will.

    These kids were obviously unbalanced and/or never taught morals and basic right/wrong. It could just as easily have been a movie, TV series or comic book that they would copy.

    You can't blame the game. Sure, it's a contributing factor - no denying that. But the REAl issue is - why were these kids not raised to know that firing guns at people is wrong, and you DON'T DO IT. 14-16 is most definitely old enough to understand the consequences of your actions. It might be different it was a 6-8 year old.

    And the two lesser issues are: how did the kids get a hold of a gun; and why weren't their parents monitoring what games their kids were playing.

    I love good shoot-em-ups like GTA, and even sick stuff like Postal. To me, it's good harmless fun, blowing away some pixels as a way to let off steam. But if I had kids, you can bet your ass I wouldn;t let them play...

    GTA3  isn`t that bad  though its probably got the adult rating f or the drugs and  sex refrences  in it.

    Is there any evidence to say t hey were doing it maliciously, maybe the kids are just pig shit stupid and not thinking about the after affects rock.gif

    plus im going to start a  new  thread  on something  so i dont fall foul  of ralphy boys warning smile_o.gif

    [edit] linkhttp://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....t=33539

  19. Posted

    actually it partially disintegrates into the wall then burns out.

    Saw it for myself when some car went flying down this road and didn`t make the turn quite right.

    The end result was a smashed and burned out car and dead guys.

    Wouldn`t running some public information ads on gun safety do anything useful or do u already get them?

  20. Posted

    /The Frenchman runs to his basement/bunker with 30 cans of clam chowder, OFP cd and a airsoft gun.a_shocked.gif

    /me watches the frenchman get shot to pieces again by the UK police for carrying an airsoft gun tounge_o.gif

    Any bets on where its going to hit if it is on a collision course?

  21. Posted

    I don't usually like to blame video games.  But according to this the kids are the one saying they're acting like this because of a video game.

    and if they`d been watching some other program that involved shooting stuff what do u think the chances are of them going out and copying it and if thats the case then whoevers tries to ban anything like that on all forms of media is going to have a hard time.

  22. Posted

    the firearms should of been locked when the parents were away and alarmed at when they`re there.

    Quote[/b] ]#1 Parental involvement. #2 Fire

    arm safety.

    #3 Fire arm security. #4 Parents monitoring their children's games and teaching their children the difference between reality and "Games".

    what about outside influences such as the ppl they hang around,the a rea they live in,the schools they go to?

    Quote[/b] ]Don't even bring SWAT into this. They are a life saving organization their are no renegades or single man teams SWAT is always a last resort. CNT (Crisis

    negotiations.) Is ALWAYS exhausted before SWAT will even consider making any move. SWAT's primary function is performing HRW (High Risk warrants.) And

    HR (Hostage rescue.) (90% of SWATs call ups constitute a barricaded suspect and most of the time SWAT's CNT can defuse the situation. SWAT is rarely if ever

    used for crowd control. CCT Crowd Control Teams are regular officers in body armor. I don't need to say this any more SWAT is a last resort and NEVER

    RUNS AROUND OR DRIVES AROUND IN VANS CHASING YOU. (They use helicopters or walk.)

    So please leave SWAT out of this before I get back on my soap box.

    where is it u live drilll sergant? over here(UK the place where u can`t get pistols and few ppl have few legal firearms) the slight whiff of firearms instantly makes a group of storm troopers apear with sub machine guns and assault rifles willing to shoot ppl in a jiffy.

    Infact as i typed that i remember a few instances where kids got children g ot taken off to t he copshop and their finger prints and DNA taken just because they were playing with cap gun crazy_o.gif

  24. Posted

    I think ur a little confused about GTA3, u dont get a "prize" at the end of it,infact most of it is just doing  missions with u against other mobs with the end goal of settling t he score with one of ur doublecrossing partners.

    Well than you really havn't got to the end with enough score.

    ####START of GTA3 spoiler ####

    Can u tell me what is the end then??When i got to the last main mission  it involved wasting ur the partner who double crossed  u at the very beginning???

    #### END SPOILER ####

    Quote[/b] ]

    But come one peoplr you can't even began to compare GTA3 to OFP. We need a better rateing system. The point isn't the games it's the system. I don't base entirely what kind of person you are on what you play or do. The point is the system,

    What system,the age rating thing ?? Do u want a little sticker on the back like some movies have which details its content?

    Now I think most would agree we can't be markting this to or allow children under atleas 15 to play this. Much less 8 years olds. it's time to upgrade the system not the games. They wouldn't make it if thier wasn't a market for it. But reallyis letitng any one under 15 play these types of game's "Smart" nex thing that will happen if we let this go uncheked is the rest of what you can do in GTA3. But it still brings us to the point.

    It wasn`t marketed to kids where  ever i saw it

    #1 Two wrongs don't mkae a right.

    #2 Is is really "OK" or "Normal" to steal cars shoot cops and play with hookers?  rock.gif

     And as far as graphics go if OFP 2 has any form of disemberment that can't be turened off. (It would be nice if the gore level was the same as OFP 1.) It will not be finding it's way into DS house. Now we can go on and on and point at all the games but the whole thing is about three problems. #1 Children are not taught correct values. #2 Parrents need to crack down or pay up. (More laws will only make this worse.) #3 Who is stuped enough to think they can just go take some rifles walk off and discharge them at a public high way? It's time for the parnts to monitor the games. We arn't judgeing games we are judegeing society.

    That make it seem a little more clearer on where I stand?

    If you want to Play GTA3 fine it keeps you off the streats and makes you happy. but if you go outside and than start reinacting what you did in the game we have a problem.

    It's fine with me if thats how you pass your time BUT when you go breaking the law thats when I think we need to re think just what we play. So the point is we have people who can't tellthe difference between reality and play time.

    Not that you go love off some hooker in GTA3.

    As long as you keep the sound turned down and you act sane out in public I don't really have a problem with you playing GTA3. Ok?

    I think u`ll find the  game  real life is what makes  go out and  do these sort of thing.

    Like i siad before,parents aren`t the sole factor in determining how the kids will turn out ur forgetting like the whole envoiroment in which they grow up although i would support a breeding license blues.gif and why the hell weren`t the guns stored in a proper cabinet.

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