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LOL Reminds of the days when those games was state of the art!! My generation will never recover from those sick days

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sandman @ Feb. 19 2002,23:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AND WHY THE #### WOULD SALO EVEN TOUCH THAT FUCKING PUCK, FIRED FROM THE REDLINE?!?! IT WAS SO HIGH ABOVE THE GOAL THAT IT SHOULDNT HAVE LANDED YET IF HE´D ONLY LET IT BE!!!!! IT WOULD STRUCK SOMEONE ON BENCHROW 302 IF HE´D JUST COULD CONTROL HIMSELF!!!!<span id='postcolor'> LOL It looked like Salo ducked for the puck!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D I would probably have done the same thing, but this - the, at least at some times, arguable best goalie in the world gets afraid of the puck!!!!!:D:D:D That CANT be true!

LOL Quite special this! Now Sweden will maybe leave Salt Lake without one single gold medal - the pressure on the hockey team was unquestionable justified and natural, and many Swedes is in a bit of a chock right now. The biggest teamsport fiasko ever, at least for Sweden (way worse than USA-Sovjet 1980). Indeed this probably means alot to Belarus as a nation, and I give them all of it - they vere motivated and had everything to win, while Sweden played like after a hard night in the bar. LOL - a Belarus player who plays in Sweden even saw a problem with their booked return tickets to Belarus tomorrow Indeed I dont care that very much about hockey or OG in general. Something I do care about is the football world cup this year where Sweden hopefully follow Swedish tradition and play good when there is little hope - Argentina, England and Nigeria is in the same group!

Nope, Im not against you, comrade!

This conversation is really fitting as Russia m(b)eats USA in hockey right now...

Dynamic campaigns in OFP would be wonderful indeed. Since I just enjoy the world as it is, I would love an improved game world; more/better terrain, sub water, wind effects, random civilian and animal presence/actions. For me the 'quality' of the graphics can be as it is now; with a default viewdistance of 2000 meters it should be computer demanding enough with the above improvements...

Canada-Sweden 10 -0!!! Ooooops, Women's hockey; guess that dont count The Canadian women saves the honour!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who else has played it + agrees with me?<span id='postcolor'> Well, guess I should'nt post here then... I really cant enjoy any other FPS games since I started playing the OFP demo, soon one year ago..... I have MOH installed on the computer, but will probably not spend many minutes with it, I feel like a prisoner living in a scripted world there! Not to talk about Max Payne! I really cant see what is so amazing about it, remember showing it to a friend some time ago who likes such games; I could do nothing but svear and curse at it - Max Payne have probably got the worst character movements since C64 days, and the textures are not better than older games like SOF... I just love to take my chopper for a flight in OFP, and the smell of kerosene in the morning

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not the Forum users that say ni!?<span id='postcolor'> The same... Now, go and get that shrubbery, or we will say the word.........

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We're not ZZ Top you know? You must find other ways to bribe us. <span id='postcolor'> well what would sir prefer?<span id='postcolor'> A shrubbery.<span id='postcolor'> A shrubbery cut with a herring<span id='postcolor'> We are the forum users who say NI!

Regarding MG42: I played some "Advanced Squadleader" (probaly the most complex 'board game' (or what its called) ever made) back in the 80's and early 90's, and remembered that there were 3 types of machineguns there: Heavy, Medium and Light (for all nations), all portable, even if squads carrying HMG moved slowly. However, all 3 German types (HMG, MMG, LMG) were supposed to be different versions of the MG42; I think I heard some "proof" of that this was the case in reality too. EDIT: Obviously there were no MMG version of the MG42 in WW2, but maybe it was a MG34 they meant (as MMG or LMG), or MG42 on threepod with (HMG) and witout (MMG) optical sight. Look at: Maschinengewehr 34 and 42

I remebered glancing at this thread with all hamster pictures the other day, and just saw this TV-comercial for Läkerol again (dont know if they broadcast it outside Scandinavia, sorry if if you have seen it here before). Click on "The Hamster man" at the bottom of this page : http://www.lakerol.nu/filmgalleri.html

Well I do think there are ways to almost eliminate terrorism. I have earlier refered to 'abstract' actions, and they do not only invlove traditional diplomatic ways. We do live in a time when the humans on planet Tellus is on the way to globalise themselves. This can be done in many different ways, as many bad as good, and will take centuries to accomplish to any larger extent. The most positive utopia that one can have about it is that everyone lives as brothers and sisters here on Tellus. I am myself studying 'behavioral science' at the time, and see how, and different views of why, we learn all the bullshit we believe in and act after. I am therefore quite optimistic that the human race is not necessarily by nature hostile to eachother and so on. I dont think of a world where we live in 'cultural borderlands' as impossible, but indeed hard and timeconsuming to accomplish. It will, as I said, take a long time to accomplish - but a great only destructive worldwide war will delay it with maybe centuries or more, or even make it impossible... Therefore I say sit on your ass and try to improve relations with all other countries -many European nations already do, thats why americans see us as weak and passive. It will take time - but its the only way....

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We(American People) know america gov't has problems,but we aren't going pick up rifles and tell them to leave.That would be stupid to have a civil war over a stupid gov't thing.True they need a change but one day,one day,When all these old fu#ks die,we once again,maybe have the power.Not the company,not the dude with the billion,But The People.But Time will tell.Blowing me to shit ain't going help your cause.They've attacked the wrong people that day,They attacked  the american people(ME),not the gov't.The gov't can give a rats ass about us,but yet they want to kill us(me) ?  Because something the gov't did ,you are trying kill me because of something the gov't did,something they did ,not The People.Then you tell us why they did it,and Why we shouldn't kill them,But yet you people think that when the WTC,Pentagon got hit like that day,You truly think it hurts the U.S. gov't,But you are WRONG,it didn't do crap to them,all it did was kill US(me).So In This Conflict(war) ,I Will Support This War.Why ? Because we got troops on the line and these bastards killed US(ME,WE),Not the old guy in the big chair taking money in from these rich people,Soo they can get off crimes.<span id='postcolor'> Interesting and in my eyes openminded post foxer... Its not often Americans make a differance between US citizens and Government. Most of the time blindly defending the government as they (you) feel personally offended by critics aimed at just the government. I am sorry for all quite offensive postings I have made regarding US actions. But its really easy to be offensive since no matter how gentle one are when trying to question US foregin affairs, American citizens take it really personally and try to defend themselves at all cost (often in a offensive way). I think I can understand that though, because in your every day life in USA after sep 11:th most people probably seek comfort in each others and support USA:s actions in a patriotic way; then its probably hard to come here and read critics about it - and you wont risk your relation to friends and family for 'Internet opinions'. Then one can wonder what I have to do with US foregin policies? I can tell you that I feel afraid of what will come too. Probably not in the extent you are, since I live in quite nonoffensive Sweden (but I would like to be able to travel in the future); but I cant but feel for all civilian people that have died, and will die, as colateral damage from bombs and in terror attacks in USA and most certainly Europe - for what do they die? For US pride??? Now I will share some views, please dont take them as affenses, but as opinions that might easen the chock if it turns out that way: USA might go to history as the bad guys in the later half of 20:th century (Germany was the bad ones in the first half). Whether it turns out that way or not is a matter of incidents - but it has clearly potential. If the USA will continue to do whatever it wants and attack whomever they want (justified only to US citizens) the risk increase big time. This 'war on terrorism' have potential to last for centuries.................... If terrorists strike at a European target, risk is that Europeans will blame USA for it. More and more Europeans grow tired of US influence, not only military and economically, but also in our daily life - the US empire is enormous and involves, exept military and economies, media and culture... What will happen when EU have grown stronger we will have to see, but USA:s role in the present worldorder will not last for ever... I cant see anything creative in this 'war on terrorism' - it has not in my eyes any potential to make anything to the better. If USA kills Osama Bin Laden he will become a martyr, and he will have eve more followers. The more people that will suffer from USA:s war on terrorism the more terrorists there will be. Its completely impossible to protect a country against terrorism as long as they have a reason to hurt that nation; the only way to get rid of terrorism is to take the cause away. The cause for sep 11:th is, if not to 100% - then to a great extent, US foregin actions is the last 50 years. Whomever was really behind the terror attacks could potentially have symphaties for older US actions, as Vietnam and Hiroshima/Nagasaki (and even some non military actions) too; not only more recent and present actions against muslim countries - if the real ones (videos, evidence is easy to make up) at all was muslims. Therefore what USA can do to stop further terrorism is probably to make up with its past, and now completely change its ways. But thats probably not gonna happen because the proud US citizens would never accept to lose many of the things they have learned to see as good things with USA; therefore its potential that USA will continue their way until it falls to pieces and take billions of human lives (if it lasts for centuries) with them on the way................... Can you now see why I am concerned about this, the in the long run even potential end of human existance, 'war on terrorism'? I CAN SEE NO END TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn it! As a big (we do have about twice as many citisens now, dont we?) arraogant Swede I dont know much about Finland obviously... Heck, did the winterwar victory (with some german assistance) make you confident enough to continue being neural too? Finland was indeed quite much closer to Sovjet than Sweden; we had the baltic sea between.

Finland do? Ah I didnt know that. Now Finand has been a NATO member for long, or am I wrong. If I recall it right you had some old Swedish J35 Draken aircrafts in your airforce? but now adays its mostly F16 or sonethin like that (you did not buy JAS 39 Gripen from Sweden, or did you?). Anyway, Both Finland and Sweden (officially neutral coutry) are quite small countries that had big Sovjet Union as neighbour - and that probably called for some uncommon ways to make the defence more effective.

Well, does orinary military service (in my time still quite much of a duty) do? I served as a JA37 Viggen (brutal looking Swedish fighter aircraft) mechanic for 11 months, including basic field training and so on. I dont think there is any other country that allows ordinary 'värnpliktiga' (consripts or something like that in english) to work on the aircrafts. Now I was indeed an educated civil aircraft maintenance engineer at the time (and could count 6 months as practice for the license), but most of my friends there were like carpenters or what ever. Not enough that mostly 'amateurs' work on the aircraft, we also turn an aircraft (refueling, rearming etc) in just 7 minutes - thats about the fastest in the world. Most others take at least half an hour on them. And further more we do it mobile - without fixed bases - by driving a small vehicle caravan to any of the, probably thousands, quite ordinary roadstrips suitable to land the STOL arcrafts on.

Assault, I think he was writing to me... As a matter of fact Swedish news broadcasts is not very brave I can tell. Back in October there was some critics, but most of the time they talk nicely about USA. I have watched Euronews alot the past months, I think they are quite neutral anyway (and is showing remarcable brutal pictures quite often I think; dying people and corpses where they are to be found). But placebo (I think it was) wrote as if the ones that support USA was a minority - to me it do look the other way. Maybe not in Europe, but indeed in the USA. Most of my opinions are not direct copies of what is said officially, I try to put my own picture together of all pieces I can see. As if I were to be special for that - thats something everyone believes -that one have OWN opinions. As a matter of fact we are quite well socialised and therefore cant think outside our societies borderlines without a real effort. So the reason I am writing here is rather to get some new input about the situation - because I have an incredible hard time to just close my eyes for what i see right now, and would rather hate if it turned out that I'm blind, but to find that out one have to catch different opinions - and then if the only arguments popping up is the same as the ever repeating non critical telly broadcasts its quite meaningless...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This forum turns into "rage"-machine.<span id='postcolor'> LOL sometimes that's pretty accurate, I know my lil rant earlier was kinda posted in anger, very unusual for me. I guess some people can quite easily get past the emotions of Sept 11th, I just know I can't, never will, it's the 2nd most traumatic thing I've ever experienced, second only to losing my Dad.......... Is it odd that it effected me so? After all, weren't these people thousands of miles away, who I never even knew......who knows *shrugs* all I know is what my heart tells me <span id='postcolor'> Few people in the world are indifferent to sep 11:th attacks and USA:s war on terrorism. Sep 11:th is by far the worst thing I have ever seen, but then I have never seen similar live pictures from for example Afganistan when USA bombed - those would probably be as awful... But even if such videos exists, we will never - or at least not for a long time - see them. The arguments from many Americans are merely citations from very narrow and partic news broadcasts. Freedom of speech? Is that when no one dares critisising because of fear for losing viewers/listeners, or even worse when the government have great influence on what is alowed to say? I do feel for everyone who died on NY at sep 11:th, but not more than I do for the Afgans that died in the retaliation - even if I have not seen many them dying. I have not either seen all the people that will die in the future before USA is content with the war on terrorism - Americans as others... As long as USA dont change their ways, nothing will stop further terrorist attacks, and US retaliations. Since USA is the mightiest military power around - what else can one do than use terrorism if one want to affect them? See the picture below for a parallell - In what way do the rebels deal with the, as they saw it evil, Empire? The greatest problem we had with the Talibans is that they did not allowed a western way of life - all that we know of! Is religion criminal? They did interpret the Koran their way - and thought of western culture as bad for a pure Islam life. See MrLaggys post above for some of the positive things they did. Wobble: ...terroristic twats in these shithole countries know how patheticly sympathetic alot of the world is to innocent deaths... Like all us who feel symphaties for the victims of the sep 11:th attacks? Yet noone made much of a fuss when the good ole soviets set up massive artillery setups and destroyed entire cities because "there were terrorists in them".. I guess thats different... it wasnt the bad US only the fair good natured USSR... If I racall it right no western nations supported Russias little war on terrorism. As for Israels everlasting war on terrorism, the support is quite scattered. USA:s world coalition against terrorism will not hold forever either...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">cuzz during the time it was thought that it would be the ultimate methood to end the war when all it did was cause great misery<span id='postcolor'> Well, one can look at sept 11:th as a modern variant of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. A try to end the misery the western world forces the muslim world to live in. Foxer: A bicycle, car etc. accident is by far a better way to lose relatives than by having them blown to pieces as colateral damage by bombs dropped by a nation that acts sole out of own interests. An normal accident is not as meaningless as a bomb you know.... And the western world is all countries under great influence by USA (and that is, in different ways, the whole world). I really long till Europoe gets free enough from USA:s, primary economical, influence to be able to say NO to USA. This world coalition against terrorism is terror in it self - "either you are with us, or you are agaist us" says Bush - and no coutry dares to do anything other than the mighty USA says; coz they spend most money in the world on military equipment and are important for most economies coz USA have a tendency to get a finger in all parts of the world. If USA would not actively work against the UN, it could finally start working as intended; a fair (for all parts) "world police". As for now, the very reason for sep 11:th is USA:s earlier actions around, primary middle east, the world - if not to 100% then to a great part; dont say anything else. And since the western world is closely realted to USA, USA will drag them with it. You can continue believe that most of USA:s military actions the last 50 years are justified, and neended since no one else would do anything. War is a concrete REAL cheap way to get public support - because the people beholds the leaders as strong. Actually its so cheap that here in most parts of Europe it dont work anymore. If Sweden (in peace for soon 200 years) would go to war for some vauge justified rasons - it would be a revolution here. Most of us, not all though, believe in peaceful negotiations. Paeaceful dealings demands its citisens though - since the leaders dont look as strong when dealing in abstarct ways instead of concrete. Now, the biggest differance between abstract and concrete actions, at least in the question of international conflict, is that abstract actions have got some chanse to succeed in the long run - concrete actions have about none. Can someone please refresh my memory the last time when Europe whined about USA NOT taking military action?

Hey Hilandor, Did you try out Seadogs (1)? Dont know if you have to be interested in advance for that one... Myself, and everyone else I have supported with a copy or heard playing it, have been completely addicted for at least some time. I could actually not sleep for about 3 days when I got it; got to bed but was soon up again since I just had to play on -the worst game addiction I have had about a PC game (Atari 520 ST, C 64 might be worse)! Like OFP its made by eastern Europeans (EDIT: errm, Czech Republic is rather central European), Russians in Moscow. And the music is palyed by Russias National Philharmonical Orchestra! SD2 looks real good too - not at least the water (could be better on SD (1)).

To me it looks most like a comercial for this "millionmanlan.com". Probably the components and cover of the thrown computer is loose and so on to make it lok better and the comp is useless. These internet circulating clips are very popular; good free advertisment. But MP cheaters are indeed not anything good since they have fun at the cost of people who want to play 'fair'.

Already about 10 000 civilians have died in Afaganistan because of US presence (see an older thread around here). One may argue that USA has done them a favour if you are cold hearted (personally I dont view the Talibans as any worse than our western world when it comes to oppression -we in the western world only do it in an other way - by using symbolic violence). Even if I live in Sweden I know a woman whose father died in WTC. Sure its terrible with all the americans suffering from WTC - but how many will have to pay for it (during what is officially called and justified as 'war on terrorism', but in the practice probably will be yet something real disgusting serving US interests)?

I'm glad to see that no one here yet supports a war on Iraq, Iran and North Korea. I dedicate the tiny space below to the millions of people that will be (and are) suffering form USA:s "War o terrorism": . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

For some reason I found it fun taking these pictures tonight, and thought I would share them with you. Well, I made them primary to show another guy the addons available... Ok, maybe they were a little to big... Look at this url to see them on a webbpage with Swedish commentary: Picture collection Rob visit Saddam http://w1.315.telia.com/~u31505667/RobIraq.jpg Rob on a trip to DR. Kongo http://w1.315.telia.com/~u31505667/RobKongo.jpg Rob on holiday in Sibiria http://w1.315.telia.com/~u31505667/RobSib.jpg