Yes to embryo cell research in OFFTOPIC Posted November 21, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Oh please, if anybody, you know that it's combinatorics that's relevant. The question is what that gene does in combination with the rest of the system. And you don't have the first clue about what other functions it might induce. If you're so damn concerned about combinatorics, you sure as hell aren't considering selective plant or animal breeding enough. What about Boysenberry? That's a hybrid between raspberries, blackberries and loganberries. That's a new species with thousands of new genes, it has been around since 1923 and it hasn't taken over the world. No crop in the world is natural, they are all creations of selective breeding and hybridisation with cross-pollination. These species have random combinations of tens of thousands of genes. Yet, there have been no problems. All we have managed to produce are plants more dependent on us, not less. Quote[/b] ]How could they not? And I'm not concerned with the greed. I'm concerned about the lack of discussions on biotech ethics among you. I am concerned about your incredible arrogance. The things you don't know about geneteic processes largely outweight the things you know. At the same time you, if anybody are perfectly aware of the conesequences your work can hava. We're talking about the basic building blocks of nature. The things I know about genetic processes have convinced me that I could not make a weed that would spread across and suffocate Sweden, even if I wanted to. Seriously, all the outbreaks of species in nature we have seen have been caused by the introduction of exogenous species to some place, not by some subtly altered variant of an endogenous species. Quote[/b] ]Everything in the environment is connected, and has evolved as such. When we start adding what are essentially 'new' species into the system, we have absoltuely no idea what the consequences could be. Generally though, the profit making capacity takes precedence, and any potential issues are played down or not even researched. You know, we are not really introducing new species, since GMOs (which have only a few new genes at most) are perfectly capable of cross-breeding with the original variant. Thus they should be called GMO variants, since the definition of a species is that it cannot cross-breed with other species. The only new species that get introduced into the environment are new species created with traditional plant or animal breeding schemes and the transport of species from one place to another by humans.