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    War games dealing in immersion and

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N.o.R.S.u @ April 14 2003,15:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm isn't "jumalauta" same as "goddammit" (jumala=god). And I usually use "prekele" when I mean "damn" . Some very useful Finnish language indeed .<span id='postcolor'> About linguistics of "jumalauta": We can break that word in two: "jumala" and "auta", so literally translating "jumalauta" would mean "god help" (that's what it probably meant a long time ago). But since that sounds pretty sissy and since nobody is really calling for god to help (quite the opposite) when they say "jumalauta", I'd say it can be safely translated as "damn". And what comes to "perkele", well, that is really just another finnish name for the devil (having no inherent meaning in it being a name), just as "fags" is an another british name for cigarettes.
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    Military standard issue bodyarmor

    "Flak vests, though they often contain Kevlarâ„¢, are not designed to stop bullets -- not even low-powered ones from handguns." Yes, I was talking about shrapnel from exploding artillery/mortar shells (Although I seriously doubt that a 9mm hollow point from a pistol can penetrate even a flak vest, being designed to mushroom upon impact on flesh). "The exact reason why the German flak vest has a thinner Kevlar panel is unclear to me. Without counting the number of layers and knowing what generation of Kevlar was used, and whether it was combined with other fibers, it is hard to tell if it does in fact provide less protection than the U.S. vests." You probably right. But I was thinking that Balchoiw might have worn one in the past and thus might have an idea about the ballistic prowess of the german vest.
  3. I recently "stumbled" upon a fine example of a german 1990 issue flak vest (Splitterschutzweste GL). I noticed that the Kevlar panels were about 5mm in thickness, whereas I know that the U.S. issue flak vest has kevlar panels of about 10mm in thickness. I understand that the main function of both of these vests is to give protection against shrapnel, so what I'd like to know is why the germans decided to put less kevlar in the vest and if 5mm is enough against shrapnel, why did the yankees put more kevlar in theirs?
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    The Iraq Thread

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IsthatyouJohnWayne @ April 16 2003,14:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You Scandinavians must be naive or blinded by your Viking ideology.<span id='postcolor'> I'm sorry, but not all scandinavians are vikings. We finns (though a part of scandinavia) always fought those evil vikings in the west and the evil russians in the east, when they came raiding our villages. Of course we ocassionally raided them back, polite as we are.
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    Mystery illness

    The influenza pandemic of 1918 killed 20 million people, although the virus that caused it killed only 2% of those it infected. SARS, however, kills 5% of those it infects, being equally easy-spreading as influenza (it is thought that a single canadian woman with SARS managed to infect up to 500 people). Thus, in a case of a pandemic of SARS, we're probably facing more fatalities than with the epidemic of 1918. Yeah, let's panic.
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    War games dealing in immersion and

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ April 11 2003,16:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Perkele" means damn or hell...thats about all I know from that sentence...<span id='postcolor'> Actually, literally "perkele" is just another name for the devil. I'd say that "jumalauta" translates as damn and "helvetti" as hell.
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    The Iraq Thread

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ April 14 2003,05:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I spent my time in Vietnam so don't lecture me with your crap. Â Shove that beer up your ass.<span id='postcolor'> Oh, he was in 'nam keeping the gooks safe from commies. "Watch out for Charlies in the trees..."
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    The Dogs of War

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ April 11 2003,05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All this talk after all the months by people against the war have been proven wrong. Take that all you anti-war doves!!<span id='postcolor'> Like when the doves said: "A lot of civvies will get killed." And do you know what, lot of civvies got killed. Victory does not make it right.
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    War games dealing in immersion and

    Heh, yesterday I played Il-2 Forgotten Battles and I must say that the finnish voice actors are on the par in that game too. Almost all sentences are laced with swear-words and the phrases they use are straight from the authentic military jargon. "Perkele, mulla on ryssä perässä!"
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    War games dealing in immersion and

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([TU]$33ker @ April 10 2003,15:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Could we have a translation please? <span id='postcolor'> Hhm, babelfish does not support finnish, so I'll try to translate in the spirit of babelfish: By golly, laterally smoothe balls on the earth! Much weapon discharge commence the devil!
  11. Yesterday the game magazine I read published news that Hezbollah has made a game called Special Force, which is supposed to be sort of like America's Army, but... oriented a little differently. Â I checked the net and indeed they have a website: Special Force Website Unfortunately I don't know arabic, so could somebody who does check out this site and tell me if the news in the magazine was correct or if it was an April fool's joke.
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You mean I'm not entitled to believe the Bible, in which G-d promises my people that this land will be ours for eternity? You mean I'm forced to believe in what you believe is the truth?<span id='postcolor'> Believing in the Bible or Qu'ran or whatever is fine (if you're so inclined), except when religion tries to interfere with secular matters like land ownership. And you're not forced to believe in what you call "my truth": Just take a look at the world and see how much shit religion messing with secular matters has caused. Hell, even in our finnish "utopia" those ultra-conservative christians are always trying to interfere with the lives of other people. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, heard about any Jewish lessons that say the Arabs can't live here? Heard about any Jewish teachings that say we must drive the Arabs into the sea? Heard any Jewish teachings that it is a blessing to kill as many Arabs as possible?<span id='postcolor'> "God gave US this land" says it all, when the people chanting it are bulldozing houses to put up colonies.
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How ridiculous. This is like having pity on Germany in 1945, after they started a war.<span id='postcolor'> Well, actually I do feel pity for the average german, who was ordered to fight and die. Most germans didn't have any say to the direction which their country took, they just obeyed (because the alternative was death). </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I agree with that quote.<span id='postcolor'> Well, slap me around and call me a bitch, that explains a lot. I assume you only agree with the quote, when israelis say it instead of palestinians, of course. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You obviously don't know what hate indoctrination is.<span id='postcolor'> Ok, I might not, but I know that teaching children truths like "God gave us this land" is stupidity indoctrination. I think we should stop this discussion now, since there is nothing positive to be accomplished here. Feel free to throw in the last word, I'm going to get drunk now and brood the sorry state of the world.
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    War games dealing in immersion and

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Blaegis @ April 09 2003,23:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So when your T-34 runs into an ambush, and a first 5cm Pak shell bounces off your turret, your gunner should not calmly say: "Sir, we are under fire", but he should yell: "Motherfucker!!! That Fritz wanker's fucking zeroed on us!" So far I haven't seen any games that would have THAT kind of realism or immersion.<span id='postcolor'> Incidentally, the finnish voices in Combat Mission 2 are actually just like that. When the russians open fire, sarge yells: "Jumalauta, munat turpeeseen! Ampukaa niin perkeleesti!"
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know not of a single case where any "ultra orthodex militant nuts" went out dancing in the street when terrorists are killed.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, Israelis don't dance in the streets. It's because they don't need to, because their life is 100-fold better than the life of the pals in the ghettos. That's why they hate you and celebrate suicide bombings. They don't see the past and how it is their own fault. They only see their current situation. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When you go through that risk over and over, then come back and trivialize it. Until then, you're just a big talker. <span id='postcolor'> Relatively your family is much better off than the average palestinian family and you are much safer too. Trivialize THEIR plight! </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So far, you're proving yourself to be a nut, repeating such far fetched terms and associating so many people with it. You're not sure of anything. You're talking off the bottom of your lip.<span id='postcolor'> I'm sure about one thing: When I saw a documentary where they interviewed palestinian children and orthodox jew children, they all said: "God has given us this land, those others try to take it from us." They even had songs about it! I think it shows a tad bit of inflexibility in both sides, if both sides are saying exactly the same. Seems to me that both sides have been "hate indoctrinated". </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another naive European baffoon. How's that for name calling and stereotyping?<span id='postcolor'> Frankly, it's sad that is all you can say. I hope that some day your cultural evolution will progress enough so that you don't have to resort to rudimentary solutions to problems anymore (Booya, me want to club something).
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PFC Mongoose @ April 10 2003,11:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm the guy that usually ends up playing the Axis side in Day of Defeat or Battlefield. Â <span id='postcolor'> I always play the axis side in any game, if possible. Axis side is more interesting to play and of course, Finland was an ally of the axis, so it is the natural choice for me anyway.
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 10 2003,10:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's obvious that you have no idea what's going on here. Seen any Israelis dancing in the streets when Hamas or Islamic Jihad terrorists get killed. Another case of ignorance is bliss.<span id='postcolor'> So what you're saying is that the whole West Bank goes out into the streets to celebrate each suicide bombing and not just the ultra-orthodox militant nuts? You might be right, since in the current situation of the pal-israeli conflict, the palestinians are the ones who are more up shit creek, because they live in crappy houses, unemployed, herded around by IDF (and not comfortably going to work and/or playing OFP, periodically risking it to be killed in the suicide bombings). That's why they are more prone to celebrating whatever they see as possibly leading to improvement (the suicide bombings). And I'd very much like to be a fly on the wall to eavesdrop on the ultra-orthodox militant nut colonist jews, when they discuss the latest killing of Hamas or Islamic Jihad "terrorists". I'm quite sure that some celebrating flies around. Anyway, you always say that "you have no idea what's going on here". It might be helpful if you explained even once how you actually perceive the current pal-isr situation. The pals are evil, since they celebrate suicide bombings? Their leaders are evil, since they teach children to hate israelis? What?
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ April 10 2003,07:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and you call them terrorists and otehr such things.<span id='postcolor'> Jerusalem Post calls it "hate indoctrination". What I'd like to know is what should we call the articles in Jerusalem Post which describe arab hate indoctrination. Could those articles also be (gasp) hate indoctrination, since their basic message is: "Those evil arabs are out to get us". In the little conflict Israel vs. the rest of Mid East, if you ask me, both sides are using all the same tactics and blaming each other for using them.
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    The Dogs of War

    I wonder whether there were people from all three factions (shi'ite, sunni and kurd) in the crowds cheering in Baghdad?
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    Your favourite military marching music

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ April 09 2003,14:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don´t like any military marches or songs. They only remind me of hurting feet and stupid drill.<span id='postcolor'> I was just about to ask whether the thread title means: What is your favourite military music for marching? Because marching as in parades is one of the most fucked up things there is in military service. These aren't the napoleonic times anymore, no more infantry formations slugging it out on open fields of glory.
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    The Dogs of War

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ April 09 2003,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The war will be over if Iraq belongs to Iraq´s people and not to commercial interests of the coalition forces.<span id='postcolor'> To the victor belong the spoils.
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    The Dogs of War

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 09 2003,12:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How, then, will these people feel once they learn that they're not forced to cheer anyone anymore?<span id='postcolor'> That is what we have to see later on. By the way, I see that you are implying that western democracies are not forcing anybody to cheer. Right, they might not shoot you in the west, but try criticizing someone important and see your social prospects die. In western cultures you have to cheer the right persons in order to secure a future for yourself. "Shut the fuck up and get with the program", they say, even in the west.
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    The Dogs of War

    It seems that every news agency is blaring about how the Iraqis are receiving the U.S. troops with smiles and flowers. Ok, they are probably genuinely delighted, but somehow Sven Hassel's books come to mind. In those it is repeatedly explained how conquered civilians (especially civilians of totalitarian countries) always receive the conquering troops with smiles and declarations that "I was always on your side, it's good to be liberated." This is simple survivalism, of course. So I wonder, how many Iraqis are genuinely happy that they are "free" now and how many are just cheering, because they think they might get killed if they did not, especially considering that cheering Saddam has probably been mandatory.
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 07 2003,10:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone planning on joining their forum? <span id='postcolor'> Not me. I think my internet access is being monitored already. Now where is my tin foil hat?
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    Mid east answer to america's army?

    Talking about assault vests, here is a picture of the vest that I own (except mine is colored black). Nice piece of kit.
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