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  1. Oligo

    Black Hawk Down

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Daishi @ Jan. 26 2002,09:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hiroshima and Nagasaki are just sacrifices for peace. If the A-bombs were not used, if America and her Allies were to continue with Operation Olympic and invade Japan, I doubt Japan would exist as it does today. Japanese were known to be suicidal, civilians and military personel alike. Just look at the Battles for Okinawa and Iwo Jima. Casualties were incredibly high for both sides, and the civilians would rather die than surrender to the "imperialist" Allies. Using those battles as a good predictor of what will happen if the Allies were to invade Japan, the casualties of World War 2 can easily double and Japan would be nothing but scorch earth. As for whether it is right or wrong to use the A-bomb, I have no answers. We do have benefit of the hindsight, President Harry Truman doesn't. Luckily, it turned out to be a good decision and the world had peace (after the surrender of Japan). To judge the act, just look at the result: Japan is the 2nd largest economy of the world (for now). It is one of the most modern society, and its global standing is similarly high. If an invasion took place, rather than the A-bombs, would Japan be where it is today?<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, it also seems that the Sep. 11. thingy has only produced good results, since Bush finally got his head out of his a*** and maybe will start to think a little more globally. If this crap didn't go down, you can be sure that he would have just carried on giving the rest of the world the finger. I'm still sure, though, that anybody who bought it under the towers doesn't see things quite like that. Or their family. I'm just trying to say that the A-bomb is very much unlike any other weapon we have. It is quite old already, but we haven't managed to come up with anything quite as horrible for a long time. Now that it has been used in anger, the genie is out of the bottle and it's just a little easier to use it in the future. You know, just so that you can do some good, save some lives. The holocaust was bad, but it consisted of many atrocities coming in succession. The a-bombs were the worst single acts of inhumanity in the history of our species.
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    My parents told me...

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hhhmmm... Â Stone Temple Pilots fan, eh? They're the modern kings of philosophy.<span id='postcolor'> Nope. Those were from Chuck Palahniuks books. He has an interesting way of putting down things. If you want to know what I mean, check out what he said about the Sep. 11. at: http://www.chuckpalahniuk.net/essays/terrorist_attack.htm He has a twisted mind. I like that.
  3. Oligo

    My parents told me...

    This is your life, it doesn't get any better than this. This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time... Does it hurt to kill yourself? Well, I'll tell you. It hurts to kill yourself, but it hurts even more to go on living... Self improvement is masturbation. Maybe self-destruction is the answer.
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    Black Hawk Down

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Jan. 24 2002,22:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1: Japan STARTED the war by launching a attack without declaring war.. which is wrong.. 2: ya ever hear what the COMMIN treatment for POWs of teh Japanese? beheadings (for fun) and using them for bayonet practice was the norm, not the exception.. dropping the Nukes saved more people than they killed.. seeing as how the entire contanent of Japan was brainwashed by the emporor to kill themselves before surrender..<span id='postcolor'> WTF?! Are you actually trying to explain that dropping the nukes was the right thing to do? Man, you're talking about the most horrible atrocity that has ever happened on Earth! Nukes are way too horrible weapons ever to be used. First you blow the crap out of thousands of people and injure countless others. Then you poison the land with radiation, effectively killing people for years and years. You are actually killing and maiming unborn children. Your atrocity will have an effect for generations and generations... Wobble, even you cannot be such a blind yank that you try to justify that. Just admit that this one thing U.S. did was wrong.
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    Area 51

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ummm sorry to burst your bubble, but geologist have found that the material that the moon is made of is identicle to the earths. Thats why they think that the moon was made from pieces of the earth after a massive collision with something the size of mars.<span id='postcolor'> The basic material is the same, but the stuff from the moon has been exposed to vacuum and cosmic radiation for billions of years. This makes an impression to the material, which cannot be replicated on Earth. Neither are the moon rocks meteors, since they do not have signs of atmospheric re-entry. Those rocks are from the moon all right.
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    My parents told me...

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FetishFool @ Jan. 24 2002,09:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just those days that you wake up, and you just want to quit. I get that everyday, because of I'm always exhausted. 24 hour days just aren't long enough. Smoke this, drink that, go here, spend on that, fuck her, get stabbed. Then there's school. My desk smells like urine. I only go to school 2 or 3 times a week. Not full days, but classes. And I still can't do it. I'm just too tired.<span id='postcolor'> Man, you should read Chuck Palahniuk. There are lot of people that feel like you and the only reason they don't off themselves is that they don't want to hurt the people that care about them. It's a nasty prison.
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    Black Hawk Down

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hasharajima @ Jan. 23 2002,16:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Or a nice Tomahawk cruise missile with the writing: Here you mother- F-cuker somali rioters, Your ticket to Hell has Arrived. I am gonna watch this movie next week, exams, sign......... I think the Somalis are sick! How can they cheer and be happy at the sight of a human being killed?<span id='postcolor'> Man, when I read this post I laughed my ass off. In the first sentences, the dupe verbally describes how U.S. should shoot Tomahawks at the civilians of another country (and thus kill them). Then in the next sentence he wonders how awful it is that somebody can cheer at the sight of a human being killed. Come on man, tell me you were joking. I mean, are you for real?
  8. Oligo

    War Movies

    I have seen a lot of war movies made in different countries and I must ask: What's with the cheesy patriotic ethos that's filling all Hollywood war movies nowadays? I mean I have seen finnish war movies and those really don't have any flag waving at all. The enemy (russians) are pictured as humans also and the characters mainly fight just to remain alive and to keep their buddies alive. So it is in war, I'd imagine, the flag waving is done mostly by civvies back home. At least so my grandfathers (both veterans) told me. German war movies are just the same. Russian (post soviet) war movies and Vietnam-era Hollywood movies also seem to concentrate on the buddy-aspect of warfare, but also tell about the inhumanizing effect war has on people and about the lameness and ridiculousness of the reasons behind wars. Soviet war movies are... well... let's just say filled with praise towards dying for the cause. Blah. Typical propaganda. Anyway, after seeing Saving Private Ryan, I can only say: WTF? I mean is the lesson of the movie: If you don't shoot all evil germans in sight, the one you let go (the machinegunner) will turn out to be some SS killer and slaughters all your buddies? The germans are also pictured as some Star Wars stormtroopers, faceless, evil. I also just despise all the flag waving in the movie. I mean really, the only ocassion you need to show a flag in war movies is when they cover up coffins with it. I bet even typical front line U.S. soldiers in WWII just wanted to make it and their buddies to make it. I bet the flag waving was done by the REMFs, so why show this crap in a movie? Why change the concept that worked so well in the Vietnam-era movies?
  9. Oligo

    Does God exsist?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChickenHawk @ Jan. 23 2002,13:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said that the worlds greatest brains believe in the Christian God (everything in the bible etc), I said that they believed in God. I refuse to accept that God plays dice with the Universe. Quote by Albert Einstien In order to understand the Universe we must understand the mind of God himself. Quote by Stephan Hawking <span id='postcolor'> And like I said, it makes no difference whether there is a god or not, since everything works just the same if there was a god or not. Belief in god is a psychological tool to use when you try to justify your existence. Some people use it, some do not. I work as a researcher in a biotechnology lab and nobody here believes in any gods. I'd say most academically trained people do not believe in gods. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is far easier to deny the existance of God. Just take the Vikings or the Greeks, they had many gods and they worshipped them for years, not many doubted their existance. Where are those Gods now?<span id='postcolor'> The vikings and the greeks and the rest of the western world were converted (sometimes forcibly) to christianity, since an idea of one omnipotent god is more appealing than that of many demipotent ones. Wouldn't you want to worship the god which is the strongest? Also, christians did a lot of work to spread the faith (just like moslems did) sometimes using swords to quicken the pace of conversion. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At the end of the day no-one can prove anything, you cant even prove that you exist. This could all be some virtual reality thing like the matrix. We could be part of some strange experiment. Who knows? We may never know..<span id='postcolor'> Again, this makes no difference since everything works just the same if this was a simulation or not... blah blah... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think it is quite easy to believe that the Universe was a mistake. Mistakes happen all the time in genetics chromosomes dont copy themselves exactly etc and that leads to mutations. This of course is all part of evolution. So if things like that can happen with the most simple life forms on earth why cant it happen with something like the Universe?<span id='postcolor'> The universe is no more a mistake than an earthquake or rainstorm. They just naturally occur sometimes. Genetic code doesn't copy itself perfectly on purpose, since mutations in the genome provide variation for the selection of the fittest. The DNA polymerases of each species (these enzymes copy the DNA) are optimized to provide an approppriate amount of mutations for the best evolution of that particular species. For example bacteria which rely mostly on genetic adaptation to the changing environment produce a lot of mutations to choose from.
  10. Oligo

    military service

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if you want something big to shoot with that goes BOOM and makes big holes in the ground....go for infantry/mortars. <span id='postcolor'> Hhmm... You're finnish, right (somehow I got hat impression)? Where'd you serve with mortars? Did you use the 120mm mothers or the 80mm ones? I was in Säkylä. We shot with those 120mm pounders. It's cool being with the mortars. Not only are you not an artillery moron, but also you are not a ground hugging rifleman... Best of both worlds.
  11. Oligo

    Black Hawk Down

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> From Jeff Koinange CNN MOGADISHU, Somalia (CNN) -- Somalis watching a bootleg video of "Black Hawk Down" on Monday cheered as helicopters crashed and U.S. servicemen were killed in the new movie. Just days after the film's widespread release in the United States, hundreds of Somalis crowded into an outdoor playground Monday to watch one of the first bootleg copies to reach Somalia. The film, which was No. 1 at the U.S. box office over the weekend, depicts the ill-fated 1993 Battle of Mogadishu in which 18 American soldiers were killed. The United States was in Somalia to try to capture powerful Somali warlord Mohammed Aidid from his stronghold in the war-torn capital and take him to a ship anchored off the nearby coast. But by the end of the 16-hour battle in which commandos tried to seize several of Aidid's top lieutenants, 18 elite Army Rangers and hundreds of Somalis lay dead in the streets of Mogadishu. At the screening, Somalis paid the equivalent of 10 U.S. cents to watch the movie, less than a mile from where a real Black Hawk helicopter went down. Audience members seemed to take delight in scenes of U.S. defeat. Each time an American chopper went down in the film, the audience cheered. Every time an American serviceman was killed, the audience cheered some more. Ahmed Abdullah said he witnessed the actual battle and saw the movie as more fiction than fact. "It's not fair what the U.S. is trying to do," he said. "What I saw that day was different from what I see in the film today. It's not accurate." Others said the movie brings back disturbing memories of a day they'll never forget. "I felt very sad watching the film," one woman said. Some in the audience said they were proud of the way Somalis were portrayed in the film. They said they believe they were defending their country and their pride against what they considered U.S. military aggression. U.S. officials have said they are concerned that members of al Qaeda, the terrorist network led by Osama bin Laden, could try to regroup in Somalia so the country may be a possible next target in the war on terrorism. But some audience members had a warning for the United States. "As you can see, Somalis are brave fighters," one man said. "If the Americans come back to fight us, we shall defeat them again." Said another, "Let them try again. They'll be making more films about us when we defeat them like we did that day." <span id='postcolor'> I guess there are two sides to every coin...
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    Does God exsist?

    "So they took soot from a kiln, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses threw it toward the sky, and it became boils breaking out with sores on man and beast. The magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils, for the boils were on the magicians as well as on all the Egyptians. And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses." There you go. One of the passages from Exodus 9 demonstrating the psycho nature of the christian god. Man what a bully.
  13. Oligo

    Does God exsist?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MrLaggy @ Jan. 22 2002,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However, this would make much more sense if you imagine that when the original Hebrew refers to "the Gods" it meant "the Gods" and was badly edited later. In that case this could mean that one god did these things to convince the Pharoah to let them go, but then opposing gods tried to stop them. It's only the switch to monotheism that made it a problem.<span id='postcolor'> For this reason polytheistic religions make much more sense. If there are a lot of (demipotent?) gods fighting each other it would nicely explain why the world is like it is. The absence of any gods also of course explains the world. So if one needs to have a religion, I think it is best to pick a polytheistic one.
  14. Oligo

    Does God exsist?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krusty @ Jan. 22 2002,16:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God was very merciful with the Egyptians. He gave Pharaoh chance after chance to do the right thing. Pharaoh basically told God F-you 9 times before he really got it. (And even then he didn't get it.)<span id='postcolor'> Yeah. After many of those "miracles" God performed to convince the pharaoh, he actually went to the israelis and told them that they are free to leave. Then it says in the bible: "God hardened the heart of the pharaoh." So the pharaoh decided to not to let the israelis go after all. God performed crap to convince the pharaoh, but also prevented the pharaoh from taking the hint. God is a nutcase. The rest you said, well, more doctrine. Believe what you want. You seem to need an authoritative figure to command you so that you would feel good about your life. It is sad you think that rebellion against God so crazy is bad. Well, not all people need leaders to push them around, not all people are lambs. I don't need any favours or crap from God. If it wants to take away the life it supposedly gave me, go ahead. I didn't ask to be born, so I owe God nothing.
  15. Oligo

    Does God exsist?

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krusty @ Jan. 22 2002,16:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd see it as just the opposite. If there is no God, all of life is meaningless. There is no thing as right or wrong, there is no goal in life except to be as happy as possible, as much as possible. In the end you're just going to die so what does it matter anyway?<span id='postcolor'> Bingo! This is the reason people believe in God. It is just such a great shock for them to think that nothing matters anyway. So they build this nice impregnable castle of faith to live in. I say let them live in their castles as long as they don't try to affect the lives of other people with their crap.
  16. Oligo

    Does God exsist?

    I should have guessed that somebody will reply using the standard doctrinal responses of christianity. Man I have heard those from at least three priests and other people as well. You should form your own opinions and not just absorb readily chewed doctrine. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If God (at least the God of Christianity) does exist, it surely matters more than anything else because it means that how you live your life now determines how you will spend eternity. God gave everyone free will to do as they please. That means it is not God's fault that we screw up all the time. All human suffering is a result of human sin. <span id='postcolor'> If we assume that God created us, naturally it is responsible for us and for what we do. "Free will" is just an illusion, since God created each of us to be like we are. Thus it is God who should be judged for our sins, not us who are just made to be what we are. You have to remember that an omnipotent God does not make mistakes and controls EVERYTHING (hence omnipotent), so it must have intentionally made us so that we would sin. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The fact that God doesn't stop bad things from happening to good people doesn't prove that He doesn't care or that He doesn't have a stance on good and evil. This could be the case, but it also could be that He has some reason not to save everyone all the time. <span id='postcolor'> Any talks about "a great plan" (which would explain why God doesn't save everybody all the time) are just bogus, since if that plan involved some babies dying in horrible pain, God would be evil. A good and omnipotent God could make plans that didn't include babies dying in horrible pain, since EVERYTHING is possible for it. Thus when making plans, God doen't care what happens to us. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about natural disasters? Almost all victims of natural disasters would be saved if we did a good job of distributing resources and helping each other. Earthquakes and such will always cause death and destruction, but even this would be different if humans had never fallen (Eve eating the fruit etc.) <span id='postcolor'> For helping victims of natural disasters (caused by God not giving a damn that people die needlessly) we don't need God. We just need to work together. Eve ate the fruit, because God made her so that she would. It was Gods sin. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the end the problem "bad things happening to good people" is sort of a false problem anyway. There are no "good" people. Perhaps with the exception of small children, everyone has sinned and screwed up. No one ever gets more than they "deserve." <span id='postcolor'> A just-born baby absolutely has not sinned yet. Still some of them die. And the bible is filled with examples of people getting more than they deserve (like Job and the pharaoh and people of Egypt). </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Theologically this issue is very well studied, and although it is hard to understand on an emotional level (who doesn't think "Why me?" when something bad happens) it isn't a problem for the existence of God.<span id='postcolor'> It is well studied by priests and not a single one of them has come up with even a nearly intelligent answer. The truth is that christianity is ridiculously filled with loopholes. Anyway, if it makes you happy to believe, go ahead. You should remember that wisdom spawns pain.
  17. Oligo

    Does God exsist?

    What you all fail to see is the fact that it does not make any difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not: According to general moral rules, you are responsible for what you do. Now if you look at the world, good and bad things seem to happen to everybody, including the innocent (f. ex. babies), without any particular bias. Thus if you assume that God still affects the world (and hasn't for example gone for a vacation), you must make the conclusion that this hypothetical omnipotent God is not good nor is it evil. Since God is not good or evil, the actions it takes can be considered to be totally random from the perspective of humans. Incidentally, if God did not exist, things would also be totally random. Thus, it makes no difference whether an omnipotent God exists or not. If believing in God helps you to be happier in life, believe away. If you are miserable because you believe in God, denounce the bastard.
  18. Oligo

    Barbarossa

    The attack of nazi Germany to Soviet Union in the WWII is generally considered to be an unjust surprise invasion of another country. However, there are some historians (finnish and russian) that claim the Soviet Union was plotting to invade Germany (and the rest of Europe), so Hitler had to do a preventive strike. These historians base their claims on several things, like the fact that the soviet forces were in attack formations and thus easily overrun by the attacking germans (the artillery was near the border instead of deployed far back to defensive posture and armour was in parking formations nearby the border ready to roll to attack). If this was indeed the case, it puts the whole issue of the eastern front into a new light: Germans actually did a favour for the rest of europe by banging themselves against the soviets, until both sides got so tired of war and decimated that the soviets never did come around rolling over the whole europe. Thus the whole "evilness" of nazi germany in the end actually just served to preserve the status quo in Europe. Or what do you all think?
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    War Movies

    I actually saw a soviet rambo-movie once. It was about a squad of speznaz wasting some CIA-supported guerrillas. It had a lot of soviet hymns in it for propaganda purposes, so it was quite a pain to watch. Funnily though, it didn't have a typical hollywood ending, because the leader of the squad got shot by one of the guerrillas. The final scene depicts the rest of the squad taking the news to the father of the squad leader. Coolly, the squad members don't even say anything, but the father begins crying, because he knows that they cannot be bringing any good news... I guess the ending sort of vindicated that film.
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    Barbarossa

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To protect yourself, you dont need to force yourself right into your enemies homeland, the germans could have properly fortifeid themselves without going that far into russia. The advanced scout puma's could see the kremlin.<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, but if you are nuts like Hitler was and also want to kick commie butt, you just don't do that kind of a halt of offensive. I'm just trying to make you all appreciate the fact that with his expansionist exploits, Hitler accidentally protected the whole of europe from the russian bear. Ironically, malicious intents sometimes sprout something good.
  21. Oligo

    War Movies

    Argh. I can see the flood of films filled with True American Heroes flooding the box office. And I used to like going to the movies. Now how can I get to a different planet?
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    War Movies

    Oh crap. You're probably right. It must be because of their precious patriotism and nationalism. It's kind of scary, since patriotism and nationalism were the key ingredients to make WWII happen. It is very sad that the underlying message of the modern hollywood war movie is exactly the same as that presented by the soviet war movie. Â And now with the terror issue... Sheesh, the wounded giant is flailing out. I guess I have to stick to non-U.S. movies for my war entertainment. Too bad, since the Hollywood can stick so much dough to those productions it makes them visually spectacular.
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    Barbarossa

    Soviet Union was very capable of attacking Germany, considering they already had the best tank in the whole war: T-34 plus a serious industry base. But since the soviet troops were in attack posture, the german pre-emptive offensive destroyed or captured 3500 tanks and 6000 planes during the first three weeks of the war. During following months, about 3000 more tanks and artillery pieces were lost. The germans knocked out more materiel that they had themselves! I doubt it that Stalin was so stupid as to deploy his troops into attack posture if he was intent on defense. Besides, the concept of Stalin attaking Germany is not stupid at all. Stalin had already demonstrated willingness for expansion by conquering half of Poland, the Baltic states and parts of Finland. So really, he probably wanted to expand rodina and the influence of communism. I'm not claiming that Hitler wasn't nuts. I'm just saying that he did all of us europeans a favour by stinging the bear, until it went back to sleep.
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    Barbarossa

    They were unable to attack Germany, because the german pre-emptive attack (Barbarossa) slaughtered and destroyed the soviet attack posture deployed men and materiel. It was a shooting gallery. That's what happens if somebody attacks your troops preparing for an attack.
  25. Oligo

    Barbarossa

    I think that Hitler probably wanted Russia like you said. But he wasn't finished in the west, when Barbarossa took place. There was the issue with U.K. still completely open. Thus he might have been forced to ivade earlier, because there were reports of imminent russian invasion. Who knows?
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