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  1. Posted

    Topic fixed, you aint pinning this one on us  wink_o.gif

    ROFL Placebo tounge_o.gif.  You want no part of this at all do you tounge_o.gif.

    I agree the Insurgency campaign was not the greatest ever, but remember, the same guy (Nagual) made the island, campaign, and tons of objects for it.  He did a ton of work, so I can't blame him for rushing the campaign a bit.  I know one of the BAS Tonal-Tango patches fixed a bunch of campaign problems, so check ofp.info for them (I THINK it was patch #1).

    No... ebud (mostly) + selectthis did almost all of the objects.

    Haha, first time i come here in 6mths or so and i see this.

    Sorry to burst ya bubble there blackdog, but i did make an awful lot of objects, bridges, palms, houses, airport, rebels stuff, and fiddled with virtually every model in the island addon, had ta get off my ass and learn modelling to do so, so i think i remember. Ebud did make some models and texture most of them, and ST did help with some stuff, and dont forget evis with most of those little white houses. Maybe your getting confused with the opfor?

  2. Posted

    Hmm, the sticking point for me is not model theft, mp cheating ect, blah blah.

    It is that snake man and co decided they know better than everyone in regards to how every single addon should be managed.

    I can only speak for my own experience, and that is: This tool has removed some of my rights and freedoms, choices, as to how my project is managed. Snake man and co are so smart and i expect ego driven that they made that decision for me, i could even say they took something without permission.

    I dont need them to decide for me, i didnt ask them to, but they did, IMPOSING their will over something that i earned the right to manage. That just my experience.

    The "community" supports this, so essentially are saying "we will accept this intial act of taking without permission, but will police any further acts", lol, yeah right. Thats why i think trusting the community is a joke, whats next i wonder.

    And i would still like to know if they have any probs posting all their source code, i mean they are happy to give a free ticket to everyone elses source, so why not their own work i wonder? What a great answer that would be. crazy_o.gif

  4. Posted

    Now what we will see are loads of good addons, that have been 'ripped off' (hopefully  with permission) flooding ofp community even more.

    Those who DO make their own stuff, will see their months of work get totally lost in this addon melee.

    This seriously leaves me with the questions: should i not look for another game to start modding for?

    Or maybe i should quit this whole releasing business alltogether and keep all the stuff to myself.

    Hehe, my sentimonies exactly.

    I know from the tonal release that "permission" really means very little to peeps. And credit, lol, credit in the readme? the thing nobody reads?, lol.

    Anyhoo, in every one of these threads where peeps drop in to say "addon makers take it too serious" there is always an abundance of quite simply un-qualified remarks. If those very peeps went and spent 100hrs+ or even 1000hrs+ on an ofp project then they would qualify to say why some addon-makers might feel certain ways. It's so much easier to say "why care?" than spend eternity on a project and then involuntarily care as the addon makers "baby" enters the world.

    I imagine many makers "babies" will grow up to be whores these days (eg, everyones had a go at 'em).

    Anyhoo, i will keep making stuff for sure, as i enjoy it. Though i will not release anything anymore, not so some wanker with no respect can hack it all in 5 mins.

    Trusting the community, lol thats a good one wink_o.gif

  5. Posted

    @Nagual....there's probably a good explanation for the lack of cooperation. CAT is in college and has been awol for a long time. Plus there actually has only been one MLOD copy of his objects survive....on you-know-whose hard drive  wink_o.gif

    Yeah, im sure there was, though it really doesn't matter. It wasn't a big deal then and isn't a big deal now, i was simply using that as an example to illustrate a point, nothing more.

    And shinraiden, you are correct, there was/is plans to finish the tonal island/pack. I read this thread while taking a break from working on the buildings.

    But over time what was once a rich source of creative inspiration has become something cheap, so it will never be finished to the level of the original vision me thinks.

  6. Posted

    Often addon makers have thier own updates, reskins, new versions planned to add to models. If they allow them to be edited at will, they would be screwing thier own updates up.

    For example, what would BAS do is they'd released all thier addons open source and allowed editing? They wouldnt be able to release an updated pack later on would they?

    This is often the main reason IMO.

    That's a very good point Pathy, often way overlooked...

    Ya know a funny thing about the "tonal object case", and prolly a little know fact, is that once upon a time when "the lost isle" was small and based on BIS objects only, we asked the nomad mod if their building objects could be used.

    I didn't ask directly, someone in BAS who knew CAT asked, the first response was positive but in the end there was no definitive answer. So in the end Tonal objects were developed, making way more stuff than we ever expected. Developing new content for the game was a much better option than holding any bitterness over objects or whining on forums.

    So did the lack of co-operation between two teams in this case stifle development? or was it counter-productive? Hehe, nup. In the end it was good for the End Users, something new. Just something to keep in mind in this discussion, that totally open source isn't always productive.

    just my 2 cents.

  7. Posted

    no, I am an honorable guy,

    an as i said, I VERY politely asked permission once i heard that these objects were not to be used by others in the community, (most of the reason you feel so much anamosity from so many, the stuff is released, but noone can use it...)

    i was politely refused, I answered by kinda saying it was childish to horde these addons and such,

    (i believe i said something to the effect of "kinda lame to hold them and only have them used on tonal untill they get stale and forgotten forever, but i can understand you dont want to be a resource center for other mods"),

    and i said OK, i respected your wishes, and now.. im very glad i didnt get permission because

    I NEVER WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH BAS

    (I do like Ebud tho)

    esspeccially if they are anything like you Nag.

    Lol, too predictable, i was waiting for your personal attacks.

    Funny, that i know for sure you didn't send me that reply, must of been someone else you dealt with.

    And your PM :

    "Dude, that was totally pathetic,

    dont slander me on the forums...

    Im honorable, and i wouldnt stoop to a level to that of which you speek.

    Infact that really fucking pissed me off, because as soon as i heard how childish you guys were being by putting a verbal hold on community released items, I immediatly stopped using them and asked permission.

    so dont fuck with me, im a good man... and you are a complete asshole."

    Well, it speaks voulmes about character, and the community in general.

  8. Posted

    That sounds like a very good idea hellfish, the excellent WRPTool would make it very possible.

    Also you might want to check out .PSO files in visitor.

    Basically, select a group of objects (like an entire town), then in one of the top menus "save object(s)". It saves your selection as a .PSO file, which you can later "load objects" on any point of the map (using the buldozer cursor as center point), perfectly replicating things. The only limit ive seen is only being able to load the PSO in the project file/map it was created in, but there is prolly work arounds.

  9. Posted

    I fully agree with this guy.

    But everyone i have spoken to with regards to this type of thing has been very cooperative... except for BAS but they have no need to cooperate.

    Anyways, I believe people do see that OFP is aging and its a good idea to possibly cooperate with other mods to maximize community talent and resources, its only so called glory hogs or whatever you want to call them that are dead against it, but they did put in their work to get there, and if you got shit all, or nothing they want, why share?

    (I am not talking down on BAS in general, I was only stating that I previously was in fact refused rights to use Tonal vegetation, which confused me as a new mod leader, but i understand now how much work goes into this stuff etc. and dont hold it against them.)

    Try to cooperate with mods whos level of progress is similar to that of your own.

    Then no one has a need to cooperate if they don't. Is that right? How are they different? Sure they make good stuff, there are plenty of others who do. As far as being refused to use Tonal vegetation there is no legal right behind it. It's a matter of integrity and decency. If you are decent enough to ask that's a good thing. Legally there is no right to refusal. It's a matter of respect but I can't quite understand anyone refusing the use of trees?!? If so why release such good addons? It should be open to the community. I can say if anyone wants to use our stuff in their mods go ahead. I'll even send the unbinned models if you are a reputable working and producing mod. If we can save some work for others then good.

    uhh, dont really feel like biting today, not here, but a nibble;

    Drow, i cant really remember, were you from the team that ?

    *Said we took too long to decide, so they said they will use them anway...

    or

    *had a team member email the same day as the "mod leader" saying "the leader doesnt respect your work or wishes and is already using the stuff..."

    or

    *sent viruses as a way saying "thanks for the addon"

    or

    *the person who wanted to put a FEW plants in an addon with the same FILENAME as tonal and release it....

    To be honest, something that amuses me, is i reckon i have thought about the plant/veg stuff the LEAST, especially after reading this thread. It didnt take long for me to forget about that funny thing, something about the way real life can be at times all consuming.

    But, the few times i have thought about in the past 2-3 months, i have come here to post a "free for all" on the bloody objects (unfinshed objects btw, lol), but every time (about 3) i only had to read a couple of threads to see the anger and plain bitchin still running all over this forum.

    It only took no time, each time, for me to forget all about it.

    Anyway, dinger, lol, keep up those long posts, pretty good reads.

  10. Posted

    rival gang wars being broke up  by nogovan roit police smile_o.gif

    blowing up things with at4s..hells angels actually do that

    crazy_o.gif

    And rpgs , Ak's ect, even here in oz. The aussie police don't mind being the ones to start the riot either ;)

    Heres a funny pic that might help with ideas :

    Cant be good

    Sounds like a good addon, looking forward to it  smile_o.gif

  14. Posted

    I might have misunderstood you, but there are plenty of religions that have contradicted each other. Basically anything from just one god to multiple, from glorifying violence to preaching peace and understanding.

    Yeah religions tend to be whacky, but are usually intertwined with metaphysics. Every metaphysics path ive ever looked into has deliberate, inbuilt and ingenious "contradictions" designed to make their students stretch or break their current way of thinking, and keep outsiders out, which they do exceptionally well at. The outsiders will use the contradiction to prop up their current worldview (usually "that religion sucks') and eventually leave it alone in their smug-ness.

    Acecombat dude, theres no use getting worked up about any of this, peeps will believe what they want, which is fair enough.

    Keep in mind the only true knowledge comes from direct experience, actual real perception, and i very much doubt all this angel stuff is coming from such a source, and sounds like a weave of book-smarts (eg, the thing that huffs and puffs and pretends to be true knowledge).

  16. Posted

    Thanks for the report m21man.

    Tim Pink im not sure of a exact link for the patch, but most likey will be one at the Avonlady's FAQ.

    The only news about these addons atm is that there is no news. With pc probs, real life and the start of summer ive done very little/nothing on it for a long time.

  18. Posted

    Nice thread, its always interesting to see things like this. Here's my piece, to add to the variety here.

    Im mid twenties, in australia, and basically just an uneducated biker. My main aim in life is to ride, rain hail or shine. Im only really happy and thinking clear when about to ride, riding or just finished riding.

    I usually work odd jobs which i tend to hate, and always seem to be on the verge of studying further but never quite get there.

    A long streak of amazing bad luck, road rage, speeding and cops left me one day without a bike but with a modern computer, which led to flashpoint one day a few years ago.

    One of my favourite things in the world is to head out on the road with my wife on the back early on a sunny day (before the idiotic car drivers wake up) with no destination in mind, and just ride all day.

    Even if we were millionaires, my girl and i would just ride all day, around the world if we could, staying at a new town each night.

    "...no name, no honor, no family, no country, only life to be lived..."

  20. Posted

    Just briefly,

    The island won't be split, for countless reasons.

    There is the possibility of a new large island being added to the pack that is not so resource hungry.

    The campaign will be updated with the next version of the addons, it was going to be part of the patch, but didnt make it. It should be roughly 15 missions long with the next version.

    Edit

    The trash texture/object above will most likely be fixable.

  21. Posted

    Acecombat, im pretty sure everyone would need to be patched to avoid any conflicts in MP.

    And if anyone has fixed any of the files themselves earlier, and now getting errors, i would recommend patching the original files. The 1.0 files were uncompressed pbos, if a quick fix file was made with compression using something like makepbo, its possible the patch doesnt read them properly.

  22. Posted

    I would not upload it yet...

    I'm kicking myself for patching mine, I had it all fixed sad_o.gif

    There are also script errors introduced now.

    http://a.domaindlx.com/admont/tonal_error.jpg

    Maybe someone in the software industry can share with them a QC testing process.

    I just placed a bmp, previewed, no error, strange huh?

    I have none of those errors, as far as i know no one in bas has those errors.

    Did you actually test the patch before assuming the addon dependancies were not fixed Lt Damage, or were you just waiting to stick in any possible barb (for whatever reason)?

    Btw, we dont have the server space or bandwidth to upload and release the large files with every patch atm, and have no other means to patch the files aside from the way it was done, there is nothing we can do about it.

  23. Posted

    BAS_Tonal-Tango_Patch2.zip (12MB) (Temp File location)

    ==========================================================

    Tonal-Tango Pack Patch 2

    for BAS Isle 1 + BAS OPFOR

    by Ballistic Addon Studios, 2003

    http://www.ballistic-studios.com/

    08 November 2003

    Patch Program made by Romulous (rom'), using PBO source code from JaZzBrE.

    ==========================================================

    INSTALLATION:

    ==========================================================

    Addons :

    Open the BAS_Tona-Tango_Patch2, you will be prompted to locate the addon files on your PC (browse to your OFP folder).

    After the files have been located the patch will continue and update the addons automatically.

    Files to be Patched:

    =============

    BAS_OPCPP.pbo

    BAS_OPFOR.pbo

    BAS_i1.pbo

    BAS_O.pbo

    BAS_i2.pbo

    FIXED:

    =============

    -Fixed: REB #4 Ammo CTD

    -Fixed: G3SG1 Scope Bug

    -Fixed: G3SG1 Reload sound

    -Fixed: Invisible lod in one of the government soldiers

    -Fixed: Addon dependecy bug (missing addon "bas_opfor" in old missions)

    -Fixed: Missing sound on warehouse door

    -Fixed: MBT Driving thru white houses

    -Fixed: EarthWall falling on side when run over

    -Fixed: Des Berm/bunker LOD textures fixed

    -Fixed: Jetty Shelter Geo added

    -Fixed: Missing sound "islethunder"

    -Fixed: Editor Objects: fixed missing object error for : wood platforms,2 tables,corner house

    -Fixed: Wrong texture on a beach in sth-east of tonali 1

    -Fixed: Wrong land Texture at Balimo

    -Fixed: 2 Shanties 2 deep at Lorengau mountain helopad

    -Fixed: floating shelter in ambua

    -Fixed: reversed walkway at mountain base

    -Fixed: powerpole in middle of road in ixtlan

    -Fixed: Lighting on enlarged bis trees near sth airport

    -Fixed: Texture mapping on apartment1 model

    -Fixed: Kimoe Mosque Geometry

    -Fixed: Dshk Geometry

    -Fixed: Random Militia p3d paths, can be used from editor also now (for mp)

    -Changed: Can no longer heal at fuel tanks, but rebel fuel can repair vehicles

    ADDED:

    =============

    -10 Crates (for urban cover), including 2 crates that explode when damaged

    -4 Low poly Car wrecks (for urban cover)

    -3 Tree Stumps

    -11 Shacks (slum blocks seperated into single shacks)

    -Water Well

    -2 Bonus Ramps

    -Some basic AI paths added to jungle island ruins area (still rough, but ai will use it for most part)

    -New small Shanty town in nth-east desert

    -Water well

    -4 A-frame tents

    New OPFOR Classes:

    =============

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPD

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRTO

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPG

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPGAA

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPGAP

    BAS_GovernmentScoutSapper

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPDHD

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRTOHD

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPGHD

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPGAAHD

    BAS_GovernmentScoutRPGAPHD

    BAS_GovernmentScoutSapperHD

    BAS_RebelSapper

    BAS_RebelSapperHD

    -Groups

    Government Scout Patrol

    Government Scout Patrol HD

    1.0 README Ammendment:

    Mist can be executed with: [this,.7,500,1] exec "\bas_o\s\bas_mist.sqs, 1.0 readme was missing *bas_*

    ============Disclaimer:========

    This is NOT an official Addon. You know the drill! Use at your own risk.

    ==========================================================

    There is still some things that will have to wait to be fixed, as they ae unusual bugs (like the bad geo on wooden shacks).

    Anything else will have to wait for the AAE version of the pack, which will hopefully be soon. Unless there is any major unexpected problems with this patch the AAE version will be 1.3 for the addons and campaign.

    The AAE version will also mean the internal file structure / object paths will be finalized, a major reason for holding back on object permissions so far.

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