MrMilli

Sorry, but I don't believe that for a second a) If confined to barracks they have to report to a NCO regularly, who would *ehem* ensure they didn't get bored. Also, confined to barracks is not a punishment for recruits, especially during an exercise. It doesn't make sense, the people handing out the punishments are there to ensure these guys are out the door as quick as possible. They would be confined to barracks if a leave was coming up, but never for an exercise. b) Ranges are marked, it would be impossible to just wander on to one. c) If they did find themselves on a range, with UXO's all around them, they would run like hell to get off it. The training as to what not to do on a range is so strong, even the first, youngest stupidest of recruits have it drilled into their skulls. An immediate sense of utter dread would befall them just by realising they are on the range, not some jovial "hey guys watch this" attitude. d) no-one would be that stupid to whack two grenades together. Its just not possible. It might be amusing, but it simply isn't possible that such a mind boggling level of stupidity would be allowed into any army, anywhere near anything remotely dangerous. Another part of that story makes it a bit confusing, are they cadets (in which case the poor little boys wouldn't be allowed anywhere without a grown-up ) or recruits (in which case they would not have had a moment to themselves, let alone the time it would take to wander off) In short, until someone comes up with linkage going somewhere other than a quote of the same story (and I couldn't find anything) I'm assuming its bullshit.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Powerslide @ Feb. 06 2003,07:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The short and the long is this. You have two knuckleheads, fully rigged. I think the money was a low priority for them, they perhaps had other plans. As far as being tactically intelligent, they might as well have been a couple donkeys with those ak's. They roamed aimlessly looking for a way out, poorly planned. The first robber killed did not shoot himself, he was shot in the head by a tactical sniper rifle. The second robber, which was the true knucklehead, couldn't even hit one guy when those 4 cops rolled in on him in that 4 door sedan (they should be counting their lucky stars, something that idiotic shoulda killed them all). And he was not shot by any of them, he was shot from behind initially, by an officer off the camera's view. Now, they could have easily wheeled out of there if they would have worked together. Initially all they were facing is a few glocks. All they had to do was cover and shoot, move and cover. But how far would they get? I believe it's impossible for anyone in that much trouble to escape anywhere in L.A. even if they make themselves invisible. The city is crawling with news and police choppers, you haven't got a prayer after drawing that much attention. So they were doomed from the start. If anything it was a hard lesson for the LAPD that being a hotshot cop doesn't make you invincible, and no matter how tough you are, there's always someone tougher.<span id='postcolor'> thought I'd replied to this one already but thats it really, if they had gone in quickly, got the money and exited the bank to a row of lightly armed coppers, they could of fired off a few rounds and escaped. Instead they hung around, having a jolly old time shooting up police cars until someone with something bigger and badder came along and showed them how stupid they really were. Of course they would of been caught eventually anyway but they were essentially dead or with a long time in prison over their heads the moment they entered the bank with automatic weapons, as it was they turned out dead just going out with a bit more of a bang.

Ladies and gents, eight simple and easy words that should help you in life "Do as I say, not as I do"

of course give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day give him a loaded M16 and thats at least 30 fishes we don't have to give `

*cough*

5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 20 2003,085)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God-fucking-dammit.<span id='postcolor'> my thoughts exactly

A while ago in the UK there was a break in where a group of vandals wreaked a security system costing several thousand pounds to steal... Approximately 4000 crackers.

I'd call armoured vehicles, tanks and Artillery, aside from the small arms they had in abudnace far from defenceless. Remember also that they had little air defence because people had laid down their lives to knock it out.

how can destroying a large chunk of the enemy (and they were still the enemy) army not have strategic value?

I have a TM M16A2. I have not had a problem with barrel wobble. All it requires, is a bit of care. the circular ring that you use to take off the foregrips needs to be tightened occasionally. Thats it.

god must I be stupid, I thought the point of a war was to kill the enemy. A BMP is not a car (check your config.cpp's lads I'd think people around here would know that! A BMP full of Soldiers is not a car full of innocent civilians. I won't say they deserved to die, as few people ever do, but do I have a moral objection to what happened on the road to Basra? Not in the slightest. A Burning soldier crawling out of a APC is a nasty sight but if it has to be so i'd MUCH rather that nasty sight is that of an Iraqi soldier, than a British soldier. ... and if you think this is a massacre, how about the massacre of innocent civilians in southern Iraq? what would of happened if the "innocent iraqi conscripts" that had done that had been 'massacred'?

LSW's some old general missed his bren gun and decided there should be something to replace it. It was never designed to replace the GPMG and it hasn't. "Fighting at range" Lining out and exchanging ammunition isn't a good way to win you have to get in close 'cos them jerries don't like it up 'em. (does stabby stabby motion with bayonet) The LSW is meant to sit at the back and fire at the bad guys to keep them down, while everyone else runs up and introduces them to the afterlife.

*cough*

It would look a lot better taking out a empty light armoured vehicle of three crew when people are in it, than hitting a plane with 160 odd in it.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shabadu @ Feb. 12 2003,15:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think the APC is a good idea. It's too much of a target. If they have rocket launchers what a target an APC would make. Think of the embarrasment, also how many people are usually inside one? Easy way of taking a few soldiers out no?<span id='postcolor'> if they have rocket launchers what a target a 747 would make, or a packed airport terminal.

Darklight, sarcasm doesn't travel well over the net The idea is a 30mm will stop a car full of terrorists (be it IRA or whatnot) quite effectively.

Steyr AUG's are good guns. Easy to disassemble, short but with a barrel length of an M16, they are good guns to play with stock. Rain- its all good till you realise the barrel is rusting The picture of me on this thread was taken in the worst weather the local area had in a few years, and I'd spent the night in a tent on-site. (COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLD) AEG Trigger is pulled series of motors and gears connected to a battery pull back a spring (except on PSG-1, spring is always pulled back until decompressed yourself) and release it at the same time a shot is being pulled up from the magazine, in the same fashion as a real firearm, shot is pushed out of "chamber" hits hop-up and begins to spin, goes out of barrel and ideally, someone then shouts hit Gas Blow Back Trigger is pulled, shot is loaded, gas is released shot goes off same hop-up, gas kicks back the (usually only on pistols) slide another shot is loaded. Springer Same loading (magazine) except nothing is moving. Pull trigger Off shot goes Hop-up on some models the "bolt" is connected to the cocking handle, so you pull back the cocking handle and you're ready to go again. Bit more complicated but hey, it *is* 2 in the morning over here AEG's tend to be made out of high quality parts, whereas springers are not. Performance is usually a lot better with an AEG, although some springers like the APS are (usually) better than AEG's. Gas Blow Backs tend to be made out of the highest quality parts, hence the price tag. They are the closest thing, in operation, to a real firearm although the gas is a bugger to keep in good supply. (without gas it is a Å200 paperweight.)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmedic @ Feb. 07 2003,04:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">H&K took the contract to "improve" the SA-80. From what I understand, there are still inherent problems with it though. I do not believe there are any civillian registered ones in the U.S. though (if so, they are very rare)...So, I have not had the opportunity to fire one.<span id='postcolor'> already been done. The A2 is the result. There is a nice little production line, where A1's go in and A2's come out. at least 10,000 A1's have already been converted to A2's at the last press release involving the A2, but the chances are that number is a lot, lot higher now. The reported problems in afghanistan is, to be blunt, crap. The story was pressed by the sun, whose previous press revelations have involved such gems as "man shags sheep" I have also heard that only three registered SA80's are in the US, so your not likely to in the near future Spent magazines my unqualified opinion is they are chucked down your smock Definately, if you can help it, not put back in the webbing. They aren't left, because you do have to account for them and you sign off saying you've had em and you have to sign off you've given them back.

How many newspapers would the times sell if they published an article saying "SA80 working fine" What you have there is people who are totally unqualified to comment, trying to sound intelligent and on the moral high ground, to score points against another party. It works. It doesn't work that well in extreme conditions but there is a reason there called extreme bloody conditions!

The UK policy is, if a soldier dies on active service then they will do their best to bring the body home but, if the availability isn't there to send the body back, then they are buried in theatre, such as in the Falklands. If at the end of the conflict the chance to bring them back returns, then the body is returned, paid for the the UK Government. Some info can be found here http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier...._w.html The bodies of the Canadians who died at Tarmak farm were flown back immediately and since the previous conflicts have been peacekeeping, I wouldn't imagine the bodies being buried in far off places these days, when a nation could have the bodies back on native soil within a couple of days at most, but hey, I don't know

Well, lets look at a bit of common sense, rather than what "SEAL's would do" as we don't really know. You are on about a small team six guys, so you would want to include the widest range of capabilities that you can because if the brown stuff hits the whirly thing there isn't going to be anyone nearby. For what they are doing (setting up a short term OP) they would need light arms, as a contact would not be expected, but with the SAW to provide a base of fire if they needed to withdraw. So, in my opinion, one SAW, one M4/M203, one light sniper rifle/M16 marksman and three M4's with Smoke and Frag grenades, carrying extra ammo for the SAW. Just my uninformed speculation

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DeadMeatXM2 @ Jan. 23 2003,09:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We have removed the download links for the time being, as the first version was bug ridden, and did not work propperly... an unfortunate situation, similar to the problems we had with the Littlebird... you'd think we would learn, but alas... i'm just  <span id='postcolor'> *cough* -edit, vixer got there first

Darwin at work. If he's thick enough to pour pills down his neck to prove he's "hardcore" to essentially words on a screen, then I only feel sorry for the family who thought he might know better.

... and Catterick, either the town in UK or the Barracks in Germany I think A lot of debate lies with the gun Its rifled, but US guns are smooth bore The debate over which is better has gone way back since the first smooth bores appeared. It'll still powerful enough to allegedly defeat any Russian armour out there.

My view on this subject, APC's and IFV's are not tanks. They are not designed to to go charging into battle right behind the MBT's and go toe to toe with a T80. They are "Battle Taxi's" Carry the kit, Get the infantry to the battle, unharmed and relatively rested (unlike if you had to walk) and provide supporting fire while they do the job. What you need essentially is a in-expensive vehicle capable of stopping small arms fire, and giving some protection to the occupants from mines, while providing some covering fire for the infantry (which a GPMG will do, but the bigger the better) What you don't need is a vehicle that infantry commanders will mistake into thinking that its as good as a tank and they can roll them right into an enemy position and be back home in time for tea and medals. A Warrior for example is a tough IFV, but would I want to be in one in the sights of a RPG-7? Not a chance. You've got a better chance of surviving a anti-tank missile in a IFV than an wheeled APC, but you've got an even better chance of not getting hit at all if your not in either of them.