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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ June 23 2002,23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The cab would provide protection too.<span id='postcolor'> Sorry, but it wouldn't, or rather shouldn't. It's already not very realistic in that bullets cannot penetrate cars in the game except through the glass. I wish Bohemia Interactive Studios would change that.

Version one point six oh has better graphics, then?

I'm not sure about this, but I do not think that Bohemia Interactive Studios is responsible for the stupid Fade thing and making us buy two copies of everything. I think it is the publisher, Codemasters, that does things like that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S.F.F.R @ June 23 2002,07:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All modern planes have a thirty millimeter gun<span id='postcolor'> That is not true. Most planes have a twenty millemeter gun. The A-10 is the only plane to currently carry the thirty millimeter Avenger cannon. And they often use the gun alone. You don't know what you are talking about. If the tons of U.S. Army literature and demonstrations weren't enough to convince me, I once knew an A-10 pilot, although not closely. He should know better than anyone here. We just finished discussing this in another thread. It has been moved to Off Topic.

Advocate, you are still a know-it-all with an attitude problem. That isn't a good thing, if you haven't figured it out yet. You and Jub-Jub Bird (beware) both said the same thing. I agree with the statement; you are both probably correct. Now, he says it in a good way. You, however, make a complete ass out of yourself. Has it never occurred to you that you might not be right? Or have you already ruled out that possibility? Someday you may learn otherwise, but I wouldn't count on it. Do you even see the difference between your post and Jub-Jub Bird's? It won't happen, but I sincerely wish that somebody would ban this guy (it's been a long time since I've felt that someone needed banning). He does nothing toward making this forum a better place, but rather takes every opportunity to show everyone how smart he is, trampling on everyone else in the process and being a rude asshole in the process. Ah well, I suppose he's here to keep this place from being perfect.

Frankly, the Cobra beats them all for good looks. I feel safest in the Cobra, because I don't take ten seconds to even begin to change direction like I do in the Hind and a bit in the Apache. The Cobra is very hard to hit. When they say "armored cockpit," I am pretty sure that they are not talking about the canopy. Cockpit and canopy are two different parts of the aircraft. No glass can take a twenty millimeter round (unless you have something like several feet of it, maybe).

I wouldn't want to be that mess hall cleanup crew. I somehow find myself doubting that story, though. Scout, Gimbal was kidding. Thank you for warning anyone stupid enough to try that that it is a bad idea to try in real life, though.

Although waiting in the lobby is of course a pain, you cannot beat the friendliness of the people in general. I have never seen a first person shooter with friendlier players. The only game I've seen with a perfect community is Red Baron 3D, which is outdated. So three cheers to Operation Flashpoint and all of us players! Incidentally, my online name is Little Blue Assassin, in case you ever meet me online.

Satchel, while I've never thrown a live one, I've have one of those duds. They just don't bounce, at least not the one I have.

I have the same problem. My copy is perfectly legal, but I cannot play my brother over our LAN. Seems like Codemasters went overboard.

I agree that the Longbow looks better, but unless Satchel can make it a functional one, I suggest that he leave the radar dome off.

Most games with grenades portray them as made out of rubber, or some similar material. Honestly, grenades don't bounce ten feet or more when they hit pavement, and they bounce even less on dirt. As a matter of fact, they don't bounce at all. At most, they kind of roll. Those things are pretty damn heavy.

It's been done, I think.

HOLY SHIT!

This is a bad idea. Â However, if it were to be made, I would agree with the people that said that Jean Runo would be good as the Resistance leader, Sean Connery would be good as Guba, and Harrison Ford in his earlier years would be good as James Gastovski. Â Ford may not look like Gastovski, but he could adopt the attitude (look no further than The Empire Strikes Back). Â No modern actors could play the part of Gastovski. Â And please, no "gorgeous" actors like Reeves, Cruise, and Bloom Yes, I thought that Starship Troopers (the book by Robert Heinlein, not the movie) was awesome. Â I haven't seen the movie, though, and will not. Â Everyone I have heard talk about it says it was terrible and mangled the goodness found in the book. Â They are called Mobile Infantry for a reason, people. Ojomojo's right on this, though.

No, I flew Cessnas in real life, briefly (I will resume my lessons when I get a job. Â *sigh*). Â It's far, far easier to fly in real life planes than it is in the game. Â They do not need to make any more planes for Operation Flashpoint, and doing so would, as has been pointed out, be impractical (consider the size of the islands in Operation Flashpoint). They do, however, need to make the existing ones more realistic or, at the very least, easier to fly. [Edit: Spelling]

I think it's a bit easier to see out of a tank in real life, because in Operation Flashpoint, you always want to duck so you can see better out of the periscopes.

Am I the only one that finds the planes impossible to fly, even with a joystick? Am I doing something wrong? In Real Life, an A-10 can easily pull a ninety degree bank without dropping like a manhole cover. Is there anything I can do to be able to actually hit a tank with the Avenger cannon?

Because I don't have a Kermit the Frog skin! Let me tell you, my friend, it's not easy being green. If you've played me online, you'll know I have an easily identifiable bright blue face. It gets me spotted a lot, but I like it, even though I can't draw.

I have a complaint. This is a problem that has been bothering me a lot lately. I am of the opinion that, due to overdevelopement and industrialization, there is not anywhere near enough oxygen. That's right, I think that there's not enough oxygen in the air of today's world. In essence, this is an oxygen complaint thread. The ratio of oxygen to carbon dioxide is terrible, and we are all suffering oh so greatly. Why aren't you doing anything about it? Oxygen is the forum administrators problem, of course. After all, who else would be responsible for oxygen? So the solution to the oxygen problem is obviously for all of us forumgoers to create as many threads as possible, ignoring all polite requests to the contrary. We must show this lazy administration that we want oxygen, and it's all their fault! All the world's problems rest on the administrators' shoulders.

Naked girls on Everon?? Where?

Oh, calm down, Ralph. I don't want Oxygen, I'm poking fun at those who do whine about it. Me, I gave up on mission editting (that's how it should be spelled according to all laws of spelling) after a few unsuccessful attempts. I'm also indicating the absurdity of those who think that it is the administrators' problem. I barely even know what Oxygen is. I just looked it up because I was confused about the "No new Oxygen complaint threads" thread. All I know is that it's some sort of mod tool.

Amos, chill. This is now in the Off Topic forum. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All a hollow point is is just a hole in the tip of the bullet which allows it to mushroom out so the bullet is twice its [original] size.<span id='postcolor'> Viper, you are correct, except that it mushrooms far more that twice its original size, providing that the substance causing it to mushroom is thick enough. Â If I shot Advocate in the head with a .308 hollowpoint (just as an example, of course *grin*), there would be a small, 0.308 inch hole surrounded by a little bit of skull where I shot him, and his brain and the rest of his skull would be all over the opposite wall. Advocate, I believe it is DPU and not DU. Â Don't ask me why, but it is, unless every person I've ever heard mention depleted Uranium is wrong. Â Whichever it is, you are going on a tangent in your desperate quest to distract people from your feebly twitching main argument. I repeat, a single shot from the Avenger can destroy a tank. Â I never said anything about shooting at the frontal armor. Â Why would any sane pilot do that? Â As several people here have already said, the chances of hitting the frontal armor during an aerial assault aren't too good. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sabot and DU rounds fired from a tank are very much the same thing.<span id='postcolor'> I'm not talking about the differences between Sabot and DPU rounds "fired from a tank." Â I'm saying that Sabot and thirty-millimeter DPU Avenger cannon rounds are not at all alike. Â Sorry, they aren't. Â I'm no expert on Sabot, but I do know that the two have completely different sizes and velocities, which are pretty big differences. Â I will refrain from further discussion of their physics and their properties until I know more about them. Â You, however, turn to random statements that you can't back up as your made-up logic gets weaker and weaker. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides, that diagram [benze] posted only works in my advantage as it shows just how terribly, terribly wrong you both are.<span id='postcolor'> How in God's unholy name is that proving him wrong in the least? I neglected to say this, but when I said "ordinary rifle rounds," I was talking about .308 and not .223 (simply because I fire .308 much more than I fire .223. Â In fact, I don't think I've ever fired .223). Â I probably should have said "Teflon coated" instead of "ordinary." Â But even without adding that, my statement isn't far-fetched. Â You can drop your "you disagree with me so you are a fool" attitude anytime. Now I'll address your name calling. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Your quest to constantly bash my arguments by presenting these laughable opinions only goes to show how hard-headed you are by simply refusing to acknowledge that you are a fool.<span id='postcolor'> Care to back that statement up without posting whatever happens to come out of your ass as you sit at your keyboard? Â No? Â I didn't think so. Â Go ahead and remain with your head firmly pressed between your cheeks as you type. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First I'm not arguing, just proving you all wrong. Â Second if you stick with Kermit you'll end up getting yourself embarassed.<span id='postcolor'> You're not fooling anyone, and I'm not embarassed. Â You should be, but I don't expect you to wake up anytime soon. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Unless Kermin comes out with another bound-to-lose argument I rest happily ever after.<span id='postcolor'> The name's Kermit, and neither my arguments nor anyone else's have been refuted by you. Â Moreover, you have done nothing towards that end but make up facts then gloat about your non-existent victories, and call all who disagree with you "childish." Â At least those of us who disagree with you (basically the rest of the forum) provide facts and not stale cattle turds, whereas your pathetic arguments are mostly made up out of your own head. Â Moreover, you are incredibly stupid. Â This is not because you disagree with me, it's because you simply are. Â Like I said, learn to shoot (or at least stop talking about what you know nothing of), learn more about physics and chemisty (I am amazed that I know more about them than you, considering that I hated those classes), and grow up. Â You support your pitiful logic with statements such as, "your quest to constantly bash my arguments by presenting these laughable opinions only goes to show how hard-headed you are by simply refusing to acknowledge that you are a fool," even though you have not beat me, and the majority of the forum disagrees with you. Â I usually do not say this because it is rarely true, but that statment is applicable not to me, nor to anyone else here at present, but to you. Â Get it straight. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So please don't call me stupid and degenerate<span id='postcolor'> Oh, but you are. Advocate, you have not won a single argument here in anyone's mind but your own. Â Enjoy yourself gloating over having chased me away. Â I will not reply to you again, as you cannot be convinced of your colossal wrongness no matter who tries or what logic is used. Â Besides, I have finally realized, as has Benze and a great deal of other forumgoers, that arguing with you is indeed pointless. Â So do not take my silence as acceptance of your sad, sad arguments. Â Rest in peace, Advocate. Spock says, "Your arguments are extremely illogical."

[Edit: Would a moderator or an administrator please delete this residual post? Â The board delayed my original post's appearance on the page. Â After hitting Refresh several times with no result, I reconstructed my rather lengthy post, forgetting old points and adding new ones. Â By the time I finished, the old one showed up. Â I have now merged the two posts.]

Rrrgh, you are impossible. After the bullet has traveled a few feet the hole will be several feet wide. Your posts clearly demonstrate that you have never shot a gun, at least not hollowpoints. If you have, then you are not very observant. If you shoot at a paper thin target with a nine millimeter hollowpoint, you will make a nine millimeter hole. However, if you shoot a plastic gallon jug with a nine millemeter hollowpoint, there will be a nine millimeter hole where the bullet went in, and the other side of the jug will be a mess where the bullet came out. And thirty millimeter DPU rounds spread a hell of a lot more than nine millimeter hollowpoints. Do you know what an entry hole and an exit hole are? Go look it up, then! If you reread my post, I was talking about exit holes. The entry hole would only be thirty millimeters (I think). But the exit hole would likely be several feet in diameter. If it weren't, it would be only because the tank is hollow - in which case whatever is in the hollow, namely the crew and ammunition, would be annihilated. I am assuming for that statement that they, by some miracle, are not already dead from the (possibly several thousand degree) heat. Once more, you are making bullshit comparisons. You can't compare a Sabot round to a DPU round! They're nothing like. The DPU has far more velocity, and is far denser. I don't think you have a clue as to how hard it is to stop something that fast and that heavy (depleted uranium is extremely heavy and when fired has a lot of velocity, therefor it has a hell of a lot of momentum). They are also shaped very differently (I think), and have very different sizes. Also, the Sabot does not turn to a superheated gas. You are overestimating the stopping power of armor. Did you know that a Kevlar jacket will not stop anything above a pistol round, unless you are very lucky? And hard ceramic body armor will not stop anything bigger than a rifle round. An ordinary rifle bullet will go through two inches of steel and still be able to kill. Your argument about uniforms being able to protect the crew against shrapnel has no base whatsoever. First, you will be lucky to find a bit of shrapnel that slow among the thousands that are whizzing through the tank. So even if you stop one, the rest would get you. Second, any piece of shrapnel that can be stopped by cloth would not be able to kill you even if you were butt naked. Third and most importantly, shrapnel is the least of a crew's concerns when a DPU round hits the tank. Where are you coming up with your "facts?" The fact that there are almost none that agree with you might give you a clue that you are very wrong. Do you have military experience? I don't, but I have first hand information from many, many sources as well as books on this subject. I'm not holding you to your original statements that the Avenger cannon is useless against tanks. What I am saying is that one round can destroy a tank. I don't know about the front armor, but I highly doubt that it would take more than three. Every hole would weaken the structural integrity. You definately wouldn't need to make more than one strafing run. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just to prove you wrong once again...<span id='postcolor'> When was the first time? The only person I see being proved wrong here is you, and by many people. You, however, continue to fight on with your own made-up arguments. If I was wrong, I'd admit it. It has nothing to do with my opinion being correct, it has to do with your facts being wrong.