IceFire

Ok, I am making this new thread because my last thread was spammed and closed. This thread is not the same idea. This is basically a discussion of the worlds elite, who has the best combat training. Â Regular infantry, or any special soldier units for example. Nothing about planes, bombs, tanks, or the such. Â I am talking about combat in the soldier sense. Â You cannot use technology as an argument. Â This is a discussion of soldier training and skill, not gear. This thread will also allow me to for my first time try the poll function. But feel free to add groups that are not listed as my poll is just a few suggestions off the top of my head. Â Try to limit the discussion of Special Operations Units. Â They get too much attention as it is. And try to avoid redundant militaries if they are, ie: British SAS, Australian SASR, I dunno if they are. Â Just a guess.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ April 01 2003,02:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">zZz, this is like your 4th thread about this kind of thing. Give it a rest, please.<span id='postcolor'> 4th?? You mean 2nd. My last one got locked because of spam.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ April 01 2003,02:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Look, not to rain on your parade (and sorry for spamming your last thread, it was just meant to be a little joke), but haven't these type of threads been done to death in the past?<span id='postcolor'> Hmm, maybe. But then again the only thread in the past I've seen like this one is someone did about "Who is the worlds best Special Forces". Mine is different. It includes all soldiers. Special Operations Units, para commandos, to regular elite infantry. It's basically about all soldiers and finding the best of them all.

Ok, I voted British SAS. But I was tied betweed SAS and French Foreign Legion. Plus, I'm not sure about how the FFL trains. Maybe they are better. But I wouln't know anyhow.

Ok, I know I already posted this as a post in another thread. But I really want to know what some of the folks here think about this. Â So I decided to make this its own thread. I was recently doing some research on military units. Â And came to some interesting findings. About a year ago I remember watching the Discovery channel, it was on the usual topic of the "Military" or topics relating to the military. There was a program that was talking about modern day "Militias". It described in detail several LEGAL military "Militias" located in the south. Â One of the best militias was I believe the Missouri 51st militia. Apparently they are VERY well trained. Â Trained for all sorts of combat, sniper trained, trained in Escape & Evasion, reconaissance, Â survival, hand to hand combat, Â ... Â etc. Â Â Basically they are real trained soldiers. Â Many of the ranking officers and instuctors are ex US Army Rangers, US Marines, etc.. They are also trained in missing person search and rescue, natural disaster survival ... Â And you can elect for further training in a field, they encourage it. Any person can swear in to join them, regardless of race, gender, etc.. providing you are willing to commit and are willing to die for your country if needed. After doing some research on them, I'd say that a soldier of this militia is either as well trained, or even better trained than the average US Army soldier. Again, they allowed the Discovery channel into their base for the prorgam and are apparently VERY legal(thanks to our constitution) and well trained for almost any scenario, and well equipped. They absolutely DO NOT support ANYONE who breaks US laws, or is of questionable character. Â They state that very clearly as it is important for them to maintain their credibility. They are called the Missouri 51st militia(I believe). They apparently have their own "special operations capable" commando units. Â Similar to USMC MEU I think. What do you folks think about this?

Ok, this thread is NOT a discussion of which is the BEST military especially since the term "best" may also include technology, satelites and all that. This thread is about which is the HARDEST military in terms of training and just being pure hell. Like for example; the Russian military is more "difficult" than the US Army etc .. Again, this is not a discussion of whose military is better, since "better" encompases other things too such as air power and tanks and stuff like that. I am talking about Infantry forces training.

LOL! Hehe. I'm American, and I bought my OPF GOTY edition many many months ago. Just around last Christmas. Whoohoo!

I counted about 200,(or just slightly less) guns there.

I'm not sure, but I beleive there have been instances where Militias have located and rescued lost children in the woods. Also I think there have been a few instances they have helped to capture escaped criminals and fugitives on the run. Other than stuff like that they are basically combat trained for worst case scenarios like armies of terrorists invading... etc

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 30 2003,05:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Mar. 30 2003,035)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's the difference between real M-16s and the kind civilians can buy?<span id='postcolor'> If you mean Bushmaster and Colt AR-15s, the only real difference is the absence of automatic fire. Technically though, civilians can get 'assault' versions of the M16 and/or AR15.<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, I found some pictures online of an AR15, and an M16, and the AR15 looks significantly shorter than the M16. I bet all the insides are all different too.

Yes, but M-16A2s don't have full auto. Just 3 shot burst.

The first one was slighly worse than "the substitute".

Ok, this is irritating. I have already found the briefcase man. I just cannot figure out the generals real name and nick name. I mean I really know both. But it never works in the password thing. Do we use spaces? If someone's nickname was "the demolisher" would you just enter "demolisher"?

Wow, that guy has alot of guns!! Were there M-16s there? Arn't real military M-16A2s(what's the whole name?) illegal for civilans to own? What's the difference between real M-16s and the kind civilians can buy?

Hmm, you didn't make any sense there. Also, I looked up new world order on google, and a bunch of religious sites came up.

Mr.Milli, Well, I wouln't say the IRA was a bunch of amateurs. Â They are well trained and professional in their training. As for American Militias. Â I am not saying that I support them, just I think they are a legitimate force(some of them). As for legality, they ARE legal. I don't think that just because they oppose some US policy and that they are professionally trained/armed they must be some evil redneck kooks as you said. Are you allowed to disagree with your government policy there in England? Â We are, we are also allowed to bear arms here. Â I think the honest, disciplined, professionally trained, dedicated ones here are primarily prepared for some sort of invasion or whatever. Â I guess any situation, no matter how unlikely. And just because they don't serve in the Army, US military doesn't mean that they are not soldiers. They are trained as such, and fight for their own cause. Â Sounds like a soldier to me. Then again, there are plenty of them who are not disciplined or well trained who are just "wannabes" such as those types shown in the pictures posted above.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MrMilli @ Mar. 29 2003,17:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OK, the question is what is my opinion so here it is wannabes who couldn't stay in/couldn't join for X Y or Z reason but want to do it anyway. What exactly is the point? They call themselves soldiers but if the REAL army goes off to war where are they? If such people wanted to be in the Army they should either join out right, or join the reserves, because running around with a firearm on the weekends does not make them a soldier or anything close to it, no matter how organised they think they are.<span id='postcolor'> Mr.Milli, I disagree with you there. I think it's a good idea for them. And they are just as much "soldiers" as any Army/Marine soldier. 1) Their idea is to defend US soil, not go over seas to fight for a government they they might not agree with, as many of their ideas and philosophies disagree with alot of US policy. 2) I hesitate to think of them as just a weekend unit. Alot of the members are very dedicated and train almost all the time in whatever their specialty is, whether it it is communications, or infantry. So to say they are just a bunch of wannabes who couln't make it in the US military or couln't join is not accurate. They might have just gotten fed up with Government military BS/beaurocracy. Or fed up with policy that they disagree with. Even the IRA in Northern Ireland is a type of "militia". And I would say that the IRA is VERY VERY well trained, tightly knit organization even though they are not an OFFICIAL army.

Yup, they have their own training facilities, combat medics, rank system, their own judicial system(apparently one can be court martialed), gaurd units, soldiers etc.. It's like a little trained army.

I just looked at some of those ranch rescue sites. Umm, they seem a lot less well trained. More like a bunch of rednecks playing with guns wearing camo. The folks I was talking about are actually a small trained army of their own.

LOL. Eh, from what I saw on Discovery, these 51st militia guys are actually pretty professionally trained.(I'm pretty sure that is the militia I saw on the Discovery channel) They are in good shape, have their own tactical units, and good training. Some of the instuctors are ex Marine Recon, other ex military. I wouln't underestimate them.

Well from all I've read, these Missouri 51st militia guys are very legitimate, and very law abiding.

Wow, apparently they even train their own "special operations capable" units. I suppose similar to USMC MEU.

I was recently doing some research on military units. And came to some interesting findings. About a year ago I remember watching the Discovery channel, it was on the usual topic of the "Military" or topics relating to the military. There was a program that was talking about modern day "Militias". It described in detail several LEGAL military "Militias" located in the south. One of the best militias was I believe a Missouri 51st militia. Apparently they are VERY well trained. Trained for all sorts of combat, sniper trained, trained in Escape & Evasion, reconaissance, survival, hand to hand combat, ... etc. Basically they are real trained soldiers. Many of the ranking officers and instuctors are ex US Army Rangers, US Marines, etc.. They are also trained in missing person search and rescue, natural disaster survival ... And you can elect for further training in a field, they encourage it. Any person can swear in to join them, regardless of race, gender, etc.. providing you are willing to commit and are willing to die for your country if needed. After doing some research on them, I'd say that a soldier of this militia is either as well trained, or even better trained than the average US Army soldier. Again, they allowed the Discovery channel into their base for the prorgam and are apparently VERY legal(thanks to our constitution) and well trained for almost any scenario, and well equipped. They absolutely DO NOT support ANYONE who breaks US laws, or is of questionable character. They state that very clearly as it is important for them to maintain their credibility. I'm not saying you should join them. Just an option if you want to be a soldier but not work for the US government directly. They are called the Missouri 51st militia(I believe).

OMG! I don't mean to brag, but I just tried lookin at that page to search for the briefcase man for the FIRST time. And I literally found him in under 15 seconds. Maybe that's cause I have Cable internet. Â Just remember, it's very obvious. Â Don't look for small details in tiny pictures, just scan quickly and you should find him. Now I just need to figure out his name. Â I was sure I knew it. Â Does the general have a middle name?

Hi, I'm IceFire. I was playing the Cold War Crisis mission "Interdiction" and was wondering about some things. 1) I was sneaking around on the top of the cliff where you start off and noticed that the enemies would occasionally shoot off flares into the air to illuminate the area. I was wondering why they did this. 2) Sometimes in some stealth missions when you would be sneaking around an enemy base, the alarm would go off meaning that the enemy has detected you. How do they detect you? I mean is it that the enemy "VISUALLY" see you as in that you were in their physical line of sight(as in they were actually facing you and saw you), or does it have to do with triggers in certain parts of the map that makes the alarm go off automatically if you go on it? I was wondering this because it seems that sometimes they detect you when they shouln't. I dunno.