Aculaud

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 20 2002,16:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do not have a problem. Â I just think that anybody should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason.<span id='postcolor'> So what if no one has a problem with anyone whatsoever?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cybrid @ Aug. 20 2002,16:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">cool tex, where did you find that?<span id='postcolor'> The little button on the bottom of each and every one of my posts that says "Profile"

Gracias, Tex

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 20 2002,16:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We will see<span id='postcolor'> Three years and coutning

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Aug. 20 2002,16:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Aculaud, I know you are having very fun with your yiddish glossary, but enough is enough. It was funny the 50 first times. Now I can only interpret it as either spam or insults, so please stop this chazerai <span id='postcolor'> Really, Denoir! I'm just having fun. Iv only done it a couple times, and none of it was spam or insults. I was still just voicing my opinion as usual

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 20 2002,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hehe, thats great stuff Aculaud. You will eat the meat though, sooner or later, some how or some way. Even if its just chicken  <span id='postcolor'> nahhhh..........................nahhhh...................nahhhhhhh, i dont think so

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cybrid @ Aug. 20 2002,16:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I said you probably think that communism works because I've know people with your views in the past and they were mostly of the pinko hippie types that think killing of any kind is wrong, even in times of war.<span id='postcolor'> Yes, i know. Your kind has many names for people who think like i do. I really hope you dont think it disempowers us to use such names for us. Because you cant kill an idea, and you cant disempower me either. New kids come up every day with ideas very similar to mine, and youd be hard pressed to disempower them as well.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 20 2002,16:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So if I own a store, and I only want to hire white people, which I wouldn't, I should have to hire a black person? No I should not have too! Same goes for ANYBODY else.<span id='postcolor'> Well, if you dont have a problem with black people, then whats the problem?

And of course, your whole argument comes down to one simple question. Keeping in mind, that humans, no different than animals, are living, breathing organisms, would you think it would be fair if they used US as a crop? I'd also apreciate it if you didnt assume so much about me with no fact to back it up whatsoever. I could call you a murderous redneck with an ego so big it makes him look fat, but i, for one, give others a chance.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cybrid @ Aug. 20 2002,15:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I once read that humans in their natural, primitive form could not survive on only vegatables. The dirt that would be on the veggies would wear out teeth out in just a few years. And with no teeth we would starve to death. Natural herbavors have very think enamal on there teeth which last for their entire life span, which is not very long anyway.<span id='postcolor'> Thats meshuga! All you have to do is WHASH THEM, and its ok.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 20 2002,15:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">deserving,another human notion,has got nothiing to do with this.<span id='postcolor'> precisely

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 20 2002,15:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How could you not eat meat?! <span id='postcolor'> Meat is fakakta. I'd need a loch in kop to eat that drek again.

[sarcasm]Oh right, i forgot. We're the only ones who deserve to be bettered[/sarcasm]

Let me explain something to you, Espectro. Animals (mammals, in this case) have brains with which to think, hearts with which to pump blood, diggestive systems with which to process food, excretory systems with which to get rid of toxins, nervous systems with which to feel, bone structures with which to hold them together, etc. unlike you. They have everything it takes to be alive. They are no more dead than we are. They are no less alive than we are. Many of them are less evolved than us, few are more evolved than us. According to science, a human invention, we are no more worthy of respect than they are. I hope someday you'll get this.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Aug. 20 2002,15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Aculaud, what you fail to understand.... Mistreating animals by only making them live because of food, is a sign of effectivity, not greed. Yes, the animals are mistreated when they are stuck in little caves, or in a big hangar. But it is very effective, and profitable. It is easy, so our minds can be focused of other things, since hunting wouldnt be the most effective and fastest way to get your food home every night. The farmers profit is his way to live, to buy new corn to plant, to milk his cat, to feed his children. We are far more superior in our way of living, we are far more civilised (you might not find civilisation a proof of intelligence considering your hate to the human race, but I do), we are far more effective in our way of getting our food. That you say we might not be more intelligent than animals because it have not been proven. Okay, good. But has it been proven that earth is round, have you seen it from outa space yourself, or just on one of those propeganda things named television, that our far less intelligent race invented half a decade ago? Do you believe it? Do you believe that Water consist of hydrogen and oxygen? Have you seen it? Or did you just heard some guy trying to convince a bunch of low-level-thinking-animals named humans?<span id='postcolor'> This is my definition of all things unitelligent right here, spoken like a true human. When someone lives in utter denial of the world around them, and still thinks themself to be right.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 20 2002,15:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">so<span id='postcolor'> So, youre an example of greed. You cant, for even one minute, put yourself in someone elses shoes, to even begin to understand the suffering they go through, because youre too busy being blissfully unaware of their pain in this neat and tidey little world youve fashioned for yourself where you dont need to know anything if it could alter your narrow views in the slightest.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Aug. 20 2002,15:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Aug. 20 2002,17:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[/ontopic] animal tests are out of the question imho,just needless cruelty<span id='postcolor'> I don't support cruelty to animals, really, but what you are referring to often is not needless. Â Sometimes we actually test medication on them, and they don't enjoy that either. Â <span id='postcolor'> Enslaving another race to test our potions on just seems primative to me. As if it say "We're far too holy to undergo sacrifice ourselves, so we're going to make you do it. And in return, you get a nice painful death, happy in the knowledge that we're forcing you to help us."

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Aug. 20 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So what you're saying is,you climb a ladder 500meters high,and i climb a 5meter one,we make it a race.<span id='postcolor'> This was one point of view i was proposing, so yes. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Aug. 20 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Animals are not stupid,far from it,but they are less intelligent. Animals have their instincts,their reflexes,we have our intelligence. But,whereas it takes a human years and years with lots of care to use his intelligence properly,it takes a deer a few hours,even less,to use it's superior speed to evade predators.<span id='postcolor'> I dont dispute that humans are amoung the smartest animals on the planet, most certainly the most inovative. But to say that we ARE, beyond the shadow of a doubt, smarter than anything else on the planet seems a bit too much like an assumption. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Aug. 20 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another point of superiority,we use tools extensively,yes primates use sticks to get to ants,yes otters use stones to crack open shells,but they do not use a diesel powered tractor,using a steel plow,made by...(i could go on here) to fertilise the land.<span id='postcolor'> This does not denote intelligence. This denotes the ability to solve a problem. And as you pointed out, animals have this ability too. Hence, we are no better. We simply have different, more complex problems to solve.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 20 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ppl come first........<span id='postcolor'> That says to me that you believe YOU should come first.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Aug. 20 2002,14:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The fact humans are more intelligent and therefore able to dominate and exploit other species does mean they are "better"<span id='postcolor'> The meat industry is alive because it is profitable. We dont have the bility to dominate and exploit other species becuause we're smart, we have that ability because we're greedy.

Eh, eating that will give me a shtikkel shvantz

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Aug. 20 2002,14:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of course I dont know what every animal thinks... but maybe you do? it sounds like it. I just find the idea of animals being smarter than us because they dont evolve anymore mentally absurb. You say animals must be thousind of years from us, because they dont evolve as fast as we do. Well, that means that we were thousind of years ahead of ourselves thousind of years ago, when WE didnt evolve fast. That is why i cant stop laughing of you and your arguments. Nothing personally.<span id='postcolor'> *pinches bridge of nose in effort to stop migrane* What i said was... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ Aug. 20 2002,13:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Animals need to learn too. Or maybe they dont. Maybe the reason that we dont see them advancing to "our level" is because they're as far up the evolutionary ladder as they're going to get. When put in prespective, that puts them lightyears beyond us.<span id='postcolor'> So, by being as far up the evolutionary ladder as they're going to get, assuming i'm right, they can be characterized as 'more advanced than us', seeing as how we obviously arent done climbing said ladder yet. Do you get it yet?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Aug. 20 2002,14:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We MAY be intelectually superior due to the following:  It is written in aincient Sumerian tablets that before man had a name, before man had a name for the earth, and before man used language, the "Angels" (DINGIR) came from the sky.  . . . . .  The "Angels" created a new man by taking a part of them and a part of a prehistoric human.  Bla Bla Bla rib bone taken to create female  Bla Bla....<span id='postcolor'> Its stuff like this that acts as proof that we must at least stay open minded. Iv heard someone say that "The smart man is the one who says "I dont know."". Which is true; we dont know. Bn880 is right. We MAY be more intelligent due to these things, but there is no proof of this. Just like theres no proof that god exists, and just like theres no proof that animals are really as dumb as percieved by a lot of us. Its not like we should regard these things as erroneous, but something mankind has to come to grips with sooner or later is that we really dont know anything regarding these things. We think we know, due to what some guy tells us, but that doesnt make it infallible.

Ahhhhhh, gay kakken af en yam!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Aug. 20 2002,13:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ Aug. 20 2002,22:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One more thing, So far, everyone here who thinks we're the most intelligent species on the planet is backing it up with nothing more than the ability to speak and build things. Youre fogetting that we dont just get born with these abilities; We have to learn, as i said a while ago. I'll say it again: WE HAVE TO LEARN. Hows that for a fundamental of nature for you? Animals need to learn too. Or maybe they dont. Maybe the reason that we dont see them advancing to "our level" is because they're as far up the evolutionary ladder as they're going to get. When put in prespective, that puts them lightyears beyond us.<span id='postcolor'> OMG /me lays on floor laughing his arse out!<span id='postcolor'> OHHHH, i get it! lol, i knew i'd figure it out sooner or later. You know everything, dont you? You cant be tought one wit about animals or what goes on in their minds, becuase you already know everything there is to know on that subject, right?