ACEJim

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 05 2002,12:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ACEJim @ April 05 2002,13:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lebensraum is german for "Living space" and the was never any program called "Lebensraum".<span id='postcolor'> Gee, I guess Yad Vashem really doesn't know what they're talking about. Frankly, I don't see your point - program, concept, idea - just semantics. Choose a word.<span id='postcolor'> The fact is that Lebensraum was the specific intent colonise Russia, removing the "untermencsen" or subhumans in the process. It had nothing to do with creating a pure aryan volk and there was never a lebensraum program, so it's not a matter of semantics, it's a matter of me being right and you being wrong. You and Yad Vashem really don't know what you're talking about.

Lebensraum is german for "Living space" and the was never any program called "Lebensraum".

I'm sorry but that source is wrong. Lebensraum was a blanket term that DID NOT refer to getting an "ethnically clean" German community - or "Volk", it refered to Hitler's desire to take vast tracts of land in Russia and the Ukraine to settle germany's "surplus population".

Maybe you should read up on Nazi Germany then... http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERmein.htm

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 05 2002,11:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">u donr fight over land when u have enough of it. if u need to populate 6 mil. ppl in a territory the size of Rhode Island then u have a problem.<span id='postcolor'> Don't tell me... you need lebensraum?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ April 05 2002,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Your point being the US should cut us off so that you Europeans can finally see us snuffed out?<span id='postcolor'> So the whole of Europe are anti Semites now? You really do have a persecution complex don't you?

Nope... definately commercial. .Org is organisation which is why the Un's address is www.un.org... as it isn't a commercial company. http://www.register-domain-names.com/infozone/help/choosetld.htm Lots of people just ignore this though...

Looks like Isreal has annoyed it's only best friend... Dubya: "Consistent with the Mitchell plan, Israeli settlement activity in occupied territories must stop, and the occupation must end through withdrawal to secure and recognise boundaries consistent with United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338. Israel should also show a respect - a respect for and concern about the dignity of the Palestinian people who are, and will be, their neighbours. It is crucial to distinguish between the terrorists and ordinary Palestinians seeking to provide for their own families. The Israeli government should be compassionate at checkpoints and border crossings, sparing innocent Palestinians daily humiliation. Israel should take immediate action to ease closures and allow peaceful people to go back to work. I ask Israel to halt incursions into Palestinian-controlled areas and begin the withdrawal from those cities it has recently occupied." Let's see how quickly Sharon jumps...

Me too.

A big red cross would be pretty useless in a firefight...

Okay... kinda kills my joke tho...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChickenHawk @ April 04 2002,21:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The French actually did quite well in the Gulf war though. Dont mess wid the Foreign Legion. <span id='postcolor'> The Legion are the best French troops because they aren't french!!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ April 04 2002,23:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, though long term its not the solution short term isnt doing so bad. And as for middle east culture .... how cultured is thinking you can solve a problem by blowing yourself up in busses and purposfully killing woman children and other noncombatants.<span id='postcolor'> "There is allot you can say about the current situation and one of them is that since the start of this most recent israeli offensive there have been no suicide bombing. " And how long do you think that's going to last? "Israel doesn't intentionally fire on non-combatants and those people you see being arrested by the IDF arent your run of the mill greengrossers." They opened fire on a BBC film crew, shot at a peace demonstration and have killed or wounded hundreds of Palestinian stone throwers (often children) that pose no threat at all to their MBTs and APCs.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ April 04 2002,23:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ACEJim @ April 04 2002,23:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ April 04 2002,22:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jesus what history book are you reading from and what school system uses it?? Hitler did NOT stop for some little magnaminious decision to let the doughboys go back to England. He stopped when Georing convinced him in an effort to prove the Luftwaffe's worth, that they could do it themselves...when it became painfully clear that they couldn't and Hitler realized they were all escaping he ordered the tanks in....just one of a series of blunders made by "Der Fuhrer".<span id='postcolor'> By what higher power do you presume to know exactly what hitler was thinking at that time? And I didn't read that in a history text book. It's a theory several historians have come up in order to explain Hitlers seemingly bizarre behaviour, based on his views expressed in Mein Kampf, his actions then and interviews with Hitler's adides and officers in the Wermacht.<span id='postcolor'> Wasn't calling YOU a rascist....The neo-history that you are quoting just seems skewed towards Hitler, and makes allowances for him, and seems to try to assume that Hitler was some a-brilliant tactician or b-had a soft spot for the english. And I certainly can't believe any of that.... And I get my history from the WW2 histories and articles I have read and researched....also taken from interviews.<span id='postcolor'> It's not neo-history... whatever that is, it's fact taken from Hitlers various speeches and writings... "In Mein Kampf Hitler declared that: "The external security of a people in largely determined by the size of its territory." If he won power Hitler promised to occupy Russian land that would provide protection and lebensraum (living space) for the German people. This action would help to destroy the Jewish/Marxist attempt to control the world: "The Russian Empire in the East is ripe for collapse; and the end of the Jewish domination of Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state." To achieve this expansion in the East and to win back land lost during the First World War, Hitler claimed that it might be necessary to form an alliance with Britain and Italy. An alliance with Britain was vitally important because it would prevent Germany fighting a war in the East and West at the same time." And... "Although other races would resist this process, the Aryan race had a duty to control the world. This would be difficult and force would have to be used, but it could be done. To support this view he gave the example of how the British Empire had controlled a quarter of the world by being well-organised and having well-timed soldiers and sailors." This is from a summary of Mein Kampf on a British educational website. It's completely objective as far as I know. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERmein.htm

Actually we had the first "internet" at the National Research Laboratory in 1968. Arpa was more advanced but we got there first. And of course WWW was invented by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN.

.com means commercial. There is a .us domain but hardly anyone uses it. And it was a british chappie working in Geneva who invented the internet.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ April 04 2002,22:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jesus what history book are you reading from and what school system uses it?? Hitler did NOT stop for some little magnaminious decision to let the doughboys go back to England. He stopped when Georing convinced him in an effort to prove the Luftwaffe's worth, that they could do it themselves...when it became painfully clear that they couldn't and Hitler realized they were all escaping he ordered the tanks in....just one of a series of blunders made by "Der Fuhrer".<span id='postcolor'> By what higher power do you presume to know exactly what hitler was thinking at that time? And I didn't read that in a history text book. It's a theory several historians have come up in order to explain Hitlers seemingly bizarre behaviour, based on his views expressed in Mein Kampf, his actions then and interviews with Hitler's adides and officers in the Wermacht.

No, Hitler was enough of a soldier to take virtually the whole of Europe in a matter of months. He virtually invented modern mechanised warfare in the process. He made some crazy tactical decisions after this and he underestimated his enemy. And he never expected the UK to fight on. It seemed crazy to him. I knew someone was going to call me a racist sooner or later... pathetic.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ April 04 2002,22:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ACEJim @ April 04 2002,175)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why do you think he ordered the Panzer divisions to stop at Dunkirk? So we could retreat to our little Island and avoid a humiliating defeat and the bitterness that goes with losing a few hundred thousand men. Because he didn't want to continue to fight with the UK.<span id='postcolor'> I thought he was giving the luftwaffe an opportunity to finish off the trapped allied forces.<span id='postcolor'> Hitler was enough of a soldier to realise that air power alone is not enough to kill such a large force of troops... And what was the advantage of taking such a risk when his Panzers would have crushed us for sure?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ April 04 2002,22:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ACEJim @ April 04 2002,16:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And he believed Hitler when he said that that was the last of Germany's territorial ambitions.... Hindsight is a wonderful thing...<span id='postcolor'> and Arafats territorial ambitions are all of Israel which includes the genocide of the Israeli people. let's let Israel defend itself so you don't have to suffer from a bout of the same hindsight again.<span id='postcolor'> What patch of thin air did you pluck that from?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ April 04 2002,21:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ACEJim @ April 04 2002,22:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And it sure as hell wasn't America, they only got involved when they were threatened... which is the direct opposite of us, we were offered a termless ceasefire but we fought on.<span id='postcolor'> LOL Yeah....Hitler's cease-fires and treaties are as good as gold....but whats that got to do with anything??<span id='postcolor'> As I've said it's easy to be a smartarse with hindsight.... Get a history book and read a little about Hitler's political beliefs. Why do you think he ordered the Panzer divisions to stop at Dunkirk? So we could retreat to our little Island and avoid a humiliating defeat and the bitterness that goes with losing a few hundred thousand men. Because he didn't want to continue to fight with the UK.

Incorrect. He allowed the Sudentenlands (Which had a large German population) to be annexed by Germany, not the whole of Czechoslovakia. He actually had witnessed the German bombing in the Spanish civil war and feared that the whole of Europe would be be destroyed if he didn't give in. And he believed Hitler when he said that that was the last of Germany's territorial ambitions.... Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

Oh and Avon, which country and it's Empire was alone in opposing Nazi germany after Europe was overrun? Even though Hitler wanted the British Empire to coexist with his Germanic continental Empire??? And it sure as hell wasn't America, they only got involved when they were threatened... which is the direct opposite of us, we were offered a termless ceasefire but we fought on.

Arg!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ April 04 2002,21:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">that's pretty mess up ,seeing how they kill civilians.They kill little kids to old people,do you think that is right ? Pals aren't the victims,neither is the israeli's,they both are dying,for nothing.<span id='postcolor'> *Smashes head repeatedly into keyboard* READ MY POST!!! !!!! In the opinion of the PALESTINIANS the suicide bombers are doing what is right.!!!!!