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George Bush has accused Syria of having chemical weapons. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Asked if Syria could face military action, he said: "They just need to cooperate." <span id='postcolor'> Now this is disturbing...Talk about pre-emptive strikes

My condolences. What can I say more..

Schoeler: Im sorry to hear about your brother

Well im off to sleep now,but ill paste a text that came along with the picture,so you can anlyze it and seek some tinhats Gnite. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Image grabbed from a TV footage shot by a French television channel France 3 cameraman, showing a US Abrams tank firing towards the Palestine hotel in Baghdad. The incident killed two foreign journalists <span id='postcolor'>

This is absurd,the article stated 2 ifs,nothing more,and the ifs are: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"For a start the damage to the hotel is superficial, it's only the masonry that's been torn off in a very small area, a tank shell would have done more damage I feel. <span id='postcolor'> Well im no expert on the shells used in abrams,but somewhere from this thread i red about the shells used by abrams,and the conclusion was that they lack a deasent "exploding ammo" If the ammo fired in the hotel was a sabot,it would explain the minimal damage (havent seen any pictures of the damage though) </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Secondly the angle that the tank would have to have reached to hit that roof, it would more or less have had to have shot just round the corner and I don't think even the Americans have got those kinds of weapons." <span id='postcolor'> As you can see from the link I posted this is not the fact. These are the only evidences supplyed by that article. Enough to raise a doubt? Not in here.. Edit: note that no other gunfire was heard by the reporters or catched in the cameras microphone..

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ April 10 2003,00:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (turms @ April 09 2003,154)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">scene from a camera in the hotel Oh bytheway othin,I am still waiting your sources revealing the WMDs of iraq.<span id='postcolor'> First, what is that picture supposed to represent? Â I'm not trying to be contentious but it's not very clear. Â There is a three and what looks like an explosion? And "by the way" Turms, if you had read my post where I claimed that Iraq has WMD (which it does) you would know that I'm going to follow in the fine tradition of posters hereabouts and not reveal my sources.<span id='postcolor'> It is a tank firing to the hotel where the reporters were killed. And if you want to judge my english,we can talk also in Finnish,wich I doubt you cant. As for the sources of yours, I wasnt trying to get you to reveal your secret sources,I was only wondering when is the publication of the evidence(wich you lack) is going to be?

scene from a camera in the hotel Oh bytheway othin,I am still waiting your sources revealing the WMDs of iraq.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think we can rule out SARS <span id='postcolor'> Im with you on that one.I am not trying to defend Saddam/Iraqis on this but i want to know the facts before I make my conclusion,if a investigative group makes a report of the bodies and provide some facts about the killers/cause of death,then im convinced about the results. But i dont find the media to be a authority to announce the facts at the same day the bodys were found.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in the next bulding they found a ledger accounting for the cause of death of all the victims,<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">contained catalogues of photographs of the dead, most of whom had died from gunshot wounds to the head. <span id='postcolor'> Most is not all,and the fact is we dont know yet who are these people,or what/who has killed them.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The area has been sealed off and is being treated as a mass war grave by UK troops, as experts try to determine how long they have been there. The BBC's Ben Brown said local people had told him the remains were of Iraqi soldiers killed in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, recently returned from Tehran. <span id='postcolor'> BBC

Tex,read it again,it didnt say anything about lists of the cause of deaths,or when did they die.the list was only the names of the dead people.

I think there is no information about the origins or the cause of death/killers of the bodies,just speculations,article said that the bodies are gonna be sent to pathologist investigator who can determinate t6heyr cause of death/time and so on...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Or, we could go into tinfoil hat theories (which I dont believe but are fun to make up ) about how the US wanted inspections to fail so that they could kill the growing legitimacy of the UN and at the same time install an US friendly puppet government in Iraq, thus paving hte way for lucrative contracts for US companies<span id='postcolor'> There are suggestions that support a theory of USA decision to attack (2001) no matter what UN would have found.I posted this link before but will do it again,seeing as it fits in this conversation Link

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But, this war wasn't launched on a guess. They exist. <span id='postcolor'> Good to hear somebody has found evidence at last! Could you share them with us?

I stumbled on a interseting article: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">US President George Bush was persuaded by UK Prime Minister Tony Blair not to attack Iraq in the immediate aftermath of the 11 September terrorist attacks, it has been claimed. <span id='postcolor'> Article on BBC

Actually the svastika,has a history before the nazis took it in use: A Swedish count called Eric von Rosen had the swastika as the family "lucky charm" He propably found it somewhere from India..In 1918 Eric von Rosen donated Finnish airforce its first plane,and the svastika was painted on it.It was the symbol of Finnish airforce until 1944.

F-18 shot down by missile reuters WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. FA-18 Hornet fighter-bomber has been shot down over southern Iraq by a surface-to-air missile, U.S. television networks reported on Wednesday. Fox News Channel and ABC News said the fate of the pilot from the carrier-based aircraft was not known. Pentagon officials had no immediate comment on the reports.

al-jazeera site in english is back up running in edit: apparently it wasnt the real al-Jazeera site,my mistake hmmm is that al-jazeera,or al-jazeeraH,i wonder if its the same? if its not the true al-jazeera,mods feel free to remove the link,im going to sleep now...

Dont condemn a nation becouse of acts of individuals.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ April 01 2003,02:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (turms @ Mar. 31 2003,17:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Whatta hell has chirac to do with this war?? Hes a man of peace.And digging up fotographs from the same era that USA was a great supporter of Saddam doesnt give me a opinion seeing chirac as a warmonger,threat to the worldpeace and supporter of the dictators...<span id='postcolor'> Chirac has alot to do with this war, and everything that lead up to it. All issues of morality aside, Chirac was acting on the interests of his own country to try and prevent the war from happening. Â Not just because of popular opinion, but to also protect the economic interests of France in Iraq.<span id='postcolor'> Only countries and statesmen Who has something to do with the WAR are the ones who invaded Iraq and the Iraqis themselfs.So in my opinion it would be absurd to drag chirac in this WAR,becouse he is the one who campaigned for the PEACE.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wonder why the Iraqis fired the RPGs at the rear of the tank? Â Do they think there's too much armor everywhere else, so they were just hoping for a disabling shot and got lucky? <span id='postcolor'> I dont think that u can take 2 Abrams out with "some luck" I suspect that they were at-14 kornets.... oh btw 1 Abrams tankcrew has drowned in this war,in Tigris i believe. Will try to dig the article.. edit: Found the link to the drowning accident link

Whatta hell has chirac to do with this war?? Hes a man of peace.And digging up fotographs from the same era that USA was a great supporter of Saddam doesnt give me a opinion seeing chirac as a warmonger,threat to the worldpeace and supporter of the dictators...

2 Abrams destroyed.First time destroyed in combat,i wonder when we will get something official from this? Atleast I havent heard anything official yet... LINK

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PFC_Mike @ Mar. 30 2003,01:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It really seems as if Ba'ath party forces are the ones in control of the fighting. Apparently, they are doing house-to-house searches for men of military age and shooting anyone who doesn't comply. That seems like a bad move, in the long run the US will win and can execute any justice it desires.<span id='postcolor'> Do you have any crdible source on that or is it just your opinnion?

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