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Quote[/b] ]Indeed,and 15 of them.But in such an unjust war,who cares if another despicable lie has been exposed as the propaganda hogwash that it was.Well the 300,000 Fallujah citizens that are the undiserved victims of US brutality under the pretext of foreign safe heavens and a shadowy Zarqawi who eluded the US gunships every single time do.The Fallujah citizens who are now the subject of a second siege that stands against the most basic human standards that made the Geneva Convention just useless toilet paper do.The tens of thousands Iraqi youths, parents and grandfathers who were trapped in the city and terrorised because they were "military age men" do also.
"Don't cry for me Argentina".......
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Quote[/b] ]Clinton offers words of wisdom to fellow DemocratsFrom the "Wolf Blitzer Reports" staff
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 Posted: 4:31 PM EST (2131 GMT)
Former President Bill Clinton answers a question from the audience after speaking at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York on Tuesday.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Bill Clinton jokes that since he's not the president anymore, nobody listens to him.
"I can't run for anything," Clinton said Tuesday. "The good news is I can say whatever I think."
But since he's the only Democrat who's been elected president in the past quarter century, many Democrats are willing to listen when Clinton talks about how to win.
Speaking at Hamilton College in upstate New York, Clinton congratulated President Bush and the Republicans on what he called a brilliant campaign.
He said many voters decided against changing leaders in the midst of terrorism threats and the war in Iraq, but there were other factors too.
"There was an astonishing turnout among evangelical Christians who said they were voting on the basis of moral values," Clinton said.
Clinton said no party has a monopoly on morality or truth, but Democrats have to make that clear to the voters.
"I do not believe that the Democrats cannot seek to be a truly national party. They may win some more national elections but we cannot be nationally competitive unless we feel comfortable talking about our convictions," said the former president.
Clinton said that during his eight years in office, he protected abortion rights but also worked to promote alternatives to abortion.
He also signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which stopped short of amending the Constitution, but preserved the right of every state to make its own decision on same sex marriage.
"I think the current divisions are partly the fault of me ... of the people in my party for not engaging the Christian evangelical community in a serious discussion of what it would take to promote a real culture of life and what the best strategy for reducing abortions is, or an open discussion of where we are on the issue of gays in America," said Clinton.
But in the wake of John Kerry's defeat, Clinton also had words of reassurance for his fellow Democrats:
"I'm old enough now and I've run enough times and I've governed enough, succeeded enough and failed enough to know there is a limit to how much any election can repeal the underlying tides of history."
Democrats should listen to this man and as I have said before, move their party to the middle where most of America is . Â Drop the radical left, they will just guarantee further defeats.
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Quote[/b] ]Huh? What are you talking about? Nothing has been proven either way yet, and certainly not against this man. It just as easily could have been a Republican working at the organization.Whoooaaaa hey there, yeah those "evil" Republicans how could I forget
On the other hand...he had been FIRED from the DSCC.
I guess we'll just have to wait for investigation to conclude.
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Quote[/b] ]Kerry supporters seek therapy in South FloridaBoca Raton trauma specialist has treated 15 patients
Published Tuesday, November 9, 2004 at 1:00 am
by Sean Salai
More than a dozen traumatized John Kerry supporters have sought and received therapy from a licensed Florida psychologist since their candidate lost to President Bush, the Boca Raton News learned Monday.
Boca Raton trauma specialist Douglas Schooler said he has treated 15 clients and friends with “intense hypnotherapy†since the Democratic nominee conceded last Wednesday.
“I had one friend tell me he’s never been so depressed and angry in his life,†Schooler said. “I observed patients threatening to leave the country or staring listlessly into space. They were emotionally paralyzed, shocked and devastated.â€
Schooler’s disclosure comes after the weekend discovery of a Kerry volunteer’s corpse at Ground Zero in New York City. Georgia resident Andrew Veal, 25, reportedly killed himself with a shotgun blast to the head due to Kerry’s loss and a girlfriend problem.
Some mental health professionals in South Florida said Monday they have already developed a new category for the Kerry-related stress reactions. Because Palm Beach County voted heavily for Kerry, the therapists said, many residents hurt themselves by so anxiously expecting the Massachusetts senator to win – especially those who maintained unrealistic recount hopes after their candidate’s concession.
“We’re calling it ‘post-election selection trauma’ and we’re working to develop a counseling program for it,†said Rob Gordon, the Boca-based executive director of the American Health Association. “It’s like post-traumatic stress syndrome, but it’s a short-term shock rather than a childhood trauma.â€
Gordon, the first American Red Cross psychotherapist sent to Ground Zero after the 9/11 terror attacks, said therapists’ main concern is to prevent the recurrence of Kerry-related suicides like the one in New York City.
“There are definitely people depressed by John Kerry’s loss, and this can easily lead to suicides like the one we saw up in New York this weekend,†Gordon said. “Luckily, it can be treated if people seek help. We’re urging people to call us immediately if they feel depressed or know anyone who is seriously stressed out.â€
Also in Boca, at least one counseling center and an emotional support group were preparing for an influx of Kerry supporters at their first post-election meetings today.
“We’ll let the Kerry voters talk about it and let off some steam, and by listening to other people’s stories, we’ll help them refocus and surrender to the things in their life which they can’t possibly change,†said a spokeswoman for Emotions Anonymous, a recovery group meeting tonight at Glades Presbyterian Church.
“We’re referring people with election-related stress to the Democratic National Committee,†said Karen Jacobs of the Center for Group Counseling. “We’ll do what we can for anyone who shows up for our support group programs this week, but we haven’t implemented a specific program for Kerry-related trauma.â€
Schooler, practicing in Boca since 1984, said he treated his 15 patients last week with hypnosis-based rapid response trauma therapy. This week, he is charging a sliding fee to non-clients who feel they need the one-time “election therapy†session. South Floridians can contact him at 561-395-3033.
“A lot of Kerry voters don’t know what to do with their anger, because there was no recount, so they’ve kept it bottled up,†said Schooler, who also is a certified sex therapist. “I help them transform the anger into more positive emotions.â€
Asked to describe symptoms of the post-election trauma, Schooler said, “They include feelings of extreme anger, despair, hopelessness, powerlessness, a failure to function behaviorally, a sense of disillusionment, of not wanting to vote anymore – that sort of thing. We’re talking about a deep, unhealthy personal suffering that can best be remedied by intensive short-term therapy.â€
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"Post-election selection trauma" now I've heard it all. Â I wonder if that will be added to the DSM-IV
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Quote[/b] ]Umm...whats that got to do with anything? ÂINTEGRITY...with staffers like this, its no wonder the Democrats lost their election bid. Â The DSCC...great organization!
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Quote[/b] ]Top Stories - Los Angeles Times$350,000 Siphoned From Democrats' Senate Campaign Fund
Fri Nov 12, 7:55 AM ET Top Stories - Los Angeles Times
By Lisa Getter Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee recently discovered that dozens of contribution checks — some for as much as $25,000 — were diverted from its coffers to a private bank account, officials said Thursday.
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The apparent theft from the committee, which raises funds to help elect Democratic senators, totaled about $350,000 and is under investigation by the FBI (news - web sites) and the U.S. attorney's office here. All but $10,000 has been recovered.
As record amounts of money from millions of donors flood the political system, more and more federal candidates and committees have found themselves victimized by campaign embezzlers in the last few years.
Earlier this year, The Times identified 11 federal embezzling cases since 2002, involving more than $1.7 million. In most cases, the money was long gone by the time the theft was discovered.
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, however, uncovered the missing money in time to get it back and use it in the November elections, said communications director Brad Woodhouse.
After internal auditors discovered a discrepancy in October, the U.S. Capitol Police identified a local bank account where the checks had been deposited.
The name on the account was DSCampCo, whose initials, DSCC, were the same as the campaign committee's. Most donors who write checks to the committee make them out to the DSCC. The committee raised more than $76 million this election cycle.
The account was set up by someone using the name Roger Chiang, the campaign committee's director of constituency outreach until he was fired in mid-October. Chiang's home address and Social Security (news - web sites) number were on the account, Democratic officials said.
Chiang, who could not be reached for comment Thursday because he was on his honeymoon, maintains that he is the victim of identify theft, said his brother, John, a Los Angeles resident and a member of the California Board of Equalization.
"He strongly believes it's a case of identity theft," John Chiang said. "The signature that authorized the account was clearly not his."
Roger Chiang, 32, whose duties at the campaign committee included fundraising, recently earned a master's degree in business administration. He had previously worked for the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites), and was appointed by President Clinton (news - web sites) in 2000 as an advisor to the secretary for Housing and Urban Development.
John Chiang said his brother was a strong believer in the Democratic Party and would never do anything to harm it. "Roger certainly wouldn't do anything like that," he said.
He also denied that Roger Chiang's firing had anything to do with the missing money — an assertion disputed by Democratic officials.
"It is disappointing that while Democratic senators, candidates, staff and donors were working hard to build a better America in this election, an individual put greed and self-interest ahead of the efforts of so many others," Woodhouse, of the campaign committee, said in a statement
Can you say V A L U E S?
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Quote[/b] ]You obviously are just a deranged nut that hasn't a clue. Have fun in your world of fear and paranoia, you sad sad person.Kindly, drop the personal attacks. If you cant have a civil discussion, perhaps you need to take a break.
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No paradox, communist and socialist ideas are the foundation of the poltically correct movement.Quote[/b] ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,23:32)
But in any event, we live in a society which is in fear now of saying the wrong thing, writing the wrong thing. The Liberal thought police prowls our system applying santions and labels such as bigot, rascist, facsist, intolerant, culturaly insensitive, gun nut, imperialist and religious fanatic any and all who dont tow the Politically correct line.
Ahem . . . now you're very paradox. You say "The Liberal thought police", remind you of a post of yours:
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I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A.
Exactly WTF??? You are trying to say what exactly.Quote[/b] ]Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,19:12)
They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc)
WTF??
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Just in.....
Leftwing nut takes woman hostage at gunpoint in front of the Mexican consulate in L.A. to protest Bush's re-election. Channel 9 local news. Los Angeles
Nope, no need for fear and paranoia....
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Quote[/b] ]Please tell me where EXACTLY I am advocating the destruction of "the american way of life" (what ever that is suppose to represent)? Show it or apologize and shut the hell up.Advancing socialism in the U.S. is advocating for the destruction of the American way of life. Perhaps not you, but other leftists if indeed you are a leftist, perhaps just another misguided American.
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Quote[/b] ]Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,23:21)EzeiQuote
You're welcome.
Its in very poor taste to take credit for something you had no part in.
Learn your history. Dresden was bombed at night as well. The USAF did not bomb at night, it was the RAF.
Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, my comment was to address the issue of voting for Bush not the bombing of Dresden.
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AKIRA
Quote[/b] ]How completely un-American. It's possible the Republicans will go for that because the lessons of paranoia and fear that were learned in the 1950s have been erased thanks to Bush and Cheney. Enjoy your new time of jumping at your own shadow and snitching your neighbor out.Thats a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It's un-American in the extreme to subvert or work towards destroying the American way of life (capitalism, individualism). Being a leftist you would only consider that line of thought reactionary.
The fear and paranoia was mostly in the minds of leftists were it should be if they live in the U.S.
But in any event, we live in a society which is in fear now of saying the wrong thing, writing the wrong thing. The Liberal thought police prowls our system applying santions and labels such as bigot, rascist, facsist, intolerant, culturaly insensitive, gun nut, imperialist and religious fanatic any and all who dont tow the Politically correct line.
I think I'll take my chances with the bible thumpers, thank you very much.
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Ezei
Quote[/b] ]You're welcome.Its in very poor taste to take credit for something you had no part in. Â
Quote[/b] ]I wouldn't call it old-fashioned. I'd call it outdated.The late 19th early 20th century our system worked quite well too. And then we had two world wars . . .
I think the sense of history is, to learn from it.
No, still very relevant, particularly now in the U.S. Â The sense of history is being rewritten and sanitized by leftists, hardly something would give me any kind of sense..commissar
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Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument. Â
No it's the "If somebody wants to ban certain political parties and ban free speech, call him a Nazi" argument.
Yes, if they advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government. Â Leftists are particularly dangerous because they subvert before they revolt.
Quote[/b] ]Another example I can give you is of my own country, Sweden. We've had socialist governments (social democrat) for nearly 70 years, with only a few interruptions of more right-wing parties being in power. We're far more left than average in Europe (too left for my opinion, but that's a different story). It's not exactly like we're in dire straits. It's not exaclty like we are going under. On the contrary - we have been doing just fine. Sweden for instance usually tops lists when it comes to quality of life.
Good for you, unfortunately your country is nothing like our country and to think that it would work here would ignore many things.
Quote[/b] ]Why would anyone want a new set of McCarthy trials? Â It was paranoid bullshit that just ruined peoples lives for no reason.Beg to differ, the only problem is that it didn't go on longer. Â Look at the state of affairs in the U.S. now, where half of the country wants to apologize for being Americans. Â Talk about outdated, the other day I heard the (old) new leftists cries at a war protest rally "American Imperialists, Facsists, along with charges of "oligarchy", 'patriarchal standards etc. ad naseum. Â Â Kind of reminded me of the protests in third world latin American countries that went on in the sixties and still today, you know "imperialist yankees, go home". Â That's amusing.
Quote[/b] ]Â Batista good, Castro bad being a perfect example.
The regiemes put in place in Nicaragua, Chile and Argentina where actually worse than the ones they replaced
Batista bad, but better than Castro. Please enlighten me, which ones are you referring to. Â There are quite a few.
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Quote[/b] ]promised myself not to get involved in any of these political and religious threads on this forum...but: what do socialists have in common with radicals??? they are quite the opposite, every 4 years, where i live we change between democrats and socialists and for all i know the shit is the same, only the smell difers...It's very telling that you cannot discern a difference between them in your country. Â That's exactly what I would like to prevent from happening in the U.S.
Quote[/b] ]btw: i consider the Bush administration extremist, each day its getting more similar to a right wing dictator we had here for 40 odd years...enjoy it ÂDon't worry we will!
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Quote[/b] ]That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.Call me old-fashioned. Â Point taken, but have reservations characterizing the systems as "works very well". Â You could also have mentioned Canada and their system is starting to show cracks. Â Additionally, there are many differences between the U.S. and European countries that "may" make that system seem like it works well.
Quote[/b] ]Quote ÂI for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. Â In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A. Â Can you say New McCarthyism. Â If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.
Are you serious? Â
Well, if you are, you would have liked Germany around 1939
Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument. Hmmm, It would have been more appropriate to say that I might have like the U.S. around the 1950's. To which I would have responded, "just the anti-communist sentiment of that time ".
Of course my viewpoint may be colored by the fact that two generations of my family have fought communists in South America. But what do I know?
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Quote[/b] ]Free money for me.... Â I agree with this!!! ÂThe check is in the mail!
I'll support it if you cut me in for half!
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Quote[/b] ]And because of this liberalism is bad?Oh don't get me wrong, I value "progressive" as in responsible, accountable, demonstrable constructive policy reform. Not some leftist policy wonks fantasy experiments.
Personal anecdote: I attended an American history class which covered among other things the Lewis and Clark expedition. The way my teacher (feminist) taught it, the chapter should have been renamed the Sacagewa Expedition. Very little concerning Lewis and Clark, a lot about Sacagewa's (indian woman) essential role wth emphasis on her hardiness and ability to withstand the trials the men did. My question was, good for her and so what? Lets find out about the Lewis and Clark expedition....
Additionally, she refused to cover WWI, WWII or ANY war for that matter because she "didn't believe that war solves anything".
That sure seems like enlightened liberal thought to me, how about you?
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Quote[/b] ]I see no difference between right wing politics of ultra conservative Americans and Islamic religious leaders in the political system of Iran. The only difference is the U.S. Consitution prevents the government from taking domestic political prisoners. Otherwise the U.S. right now in its "class warfare" would be seeing massive numbers of protesters and critics of government actions being hearded into prisons.Most Americans don't understand that the struggle is not Secularist vs. Religionist, that is only one facet. The real struggle is between the socialist left and the capitalist right.
I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A. Can you say New McCarthyism. If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.
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Pet American liberal projects:
Social promotion in education: failing doesn't neccesarily mean you don't go on to the next grade level. Your parents can decide to "pass" you anyway. So much for standards.
Selective gender identity in education: Children grades K-12 can choose their sexual identity. If you feel more like a girl, you can go to the girls restroom among other things.
African -American slave reparations: Pay out millions of dollars to African Americans because they were brought to the U.S. as slaves.
Muli-lingual curriculum in public schools: Spend millions of taxpayer funds to teach public school curriculum in Spanish to a largely illegal immigrant children.
Thought police: Supplement or get rid of religion based moral standards and substitute socialist driven models of behavior. Just as the bible thumpers are trying to get rid of violent media or unacceptable (to them) popular culture, our oh so enlightened liberals are doing the same thing. Evidence recent Democrats on political talk shows that want to address the "moral values gap" by cracking down on violent video games, music and movies. Different group, same shite!
Just to name a few....not too mention that radical liberalism fosters effeteness in our society, something I absolutely believe is dangerous to our nation. Evidence anti-nationalist forces in America not to mention the rise of the American apologist.
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The misguided are on the move again....
You would think that after the resounding spanking the Democrats got they would figure out what went wrong, but nooooooo.
Instead of listening to the wiser among them (and theres not many ) they are drifting even more leftwards. Reverend Jesse Jackson (paragon of liberal thought) suggested that the problem with the Democratic party was that it needed to embrace an even larger liberal vision if it wished to overcome minority party status. What a moron!
Others such as that sterling example of integrity and personal responsibility, Al Sharpton think they need to keep the same value system but "repackage" it to sell to middle America. In other words deceiving America into accepting their twisted values.
They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc). Saying that, most Americans don't share extreme right wing views either.
Here's some advice for the Democratic party, drop the fringe groups or at least take away their mikes. Let them join the Greens if they don't like it. Come back to the Center where most Americans are at anyway.
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"Moderate" Islamists speak out from the U.S's closest "ally" in the mideast.
Quote[/b] ]Saudi Religious Scholars Support Holy War58 minutes ago  Middle East - AP
By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press Writer
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Prominent Saudi religious scholars urged Iraqis to support militants waging holy war against the U.S.-led coalition forces as American troops prepared Saturday for a major assault on the insurgent hotbed of Fallujah.
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The 26 Saudi scholars and preachers said in an open letter to the Iraqi people that their appeal was prompted by "the extraordinary situation through which the Iraqis are passing which calls for unity and exchange of views." The letter was posted on the Internet.
"At no time in history has a whole people been violated ... by propaganda that's been proved false," Sheik Awad al-Qarni, one of the scholars, told Al-Arabiya TV.
"The U.S. forces are still destroying towns on the heads of their people and killing women and children. What's going on in Iraq (news - web sites) is a result of the big crime of America's occupation of Iraq."
In their letter, the scholars stressed that armed attacks by militant Iraqi groups on U.S. troops and their allies in Iraq represent "legitimate" resistance.
The scholars were careful to direct their appeal to Iraqis only and stayed away from issuing a general, Muslim-wide call for holy war. They also identified the military as the target, one that is considered legitimate by many Arabs who view U.S. troops and their allies as occupiers.
The independent scholars — some of whom have been criticized in the past for their extremist views — apparently did not want to antagonize the Saudi government, a U.S. ally, or appear to be flouting its efforts to fight terrorism.
Saudi Arabia has sealed off its long border with Iraq and bars people from crossing into that country. Its most senior clerics issued a statement last year saying the call for jihad — or holy war — should only come from the ruler and should not be based on edicts issued by individual clergymen.
Saudi officials did not comment on the latest statement.
The clerics' appeal came as U.S. troops, backed by air and artillery power and Iraqi security forces, were gearing up for a major assault on Fallujah.
The clerics issued a fatwa, or religious edict, prohibiting Iraqis from offering any support for military operations carried out by U.S. forces against insurgent strongholds.
"Fighting the occupiers is a duty for all those who are able," the letter said. "It is a jihad to push back the assailants. Resistance is a legitimate right. A Muslim must not inflict harm on any resistance man or inform on them. Instead, they should be supported and protected."
Besides al-Qarni, the prominent scholars signing the letter included Sheik Safar al-Hawali, Sheik Nasser al-Omar, Sheik Salman al-Awdah and Sheik Sharif Hatem al-Aouni.
Al-Hawali, who was jailed in the 1990s for five years without trial because he criticized U.S. involvement in the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites) against Iraq, once was close to Saudi-born al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). He opposed the presence of U.S. troops in the kingdom.
His name appeared this month on a list issued by a group of Arab intellectuals seeking to prosecute prominent clerics for encouraging terrorism.
The scholars said inter-Iraqi fighting would cause "great damage to the Iraqis and give a free service to the Jews who are infiltrating into Iraq and to the coalition forces which exploit differences to consolidate their domination."
Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and home to its two holiest cities, has launched a campaign against militants. The crackdown began after al-Qaida-affiliated operatives attacked three residential compounds in Riyadh in May 2003 and killed dozens of people, bringing terrorism to the kingdom for the first time since the Sept. 11 attacks.
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AKIRA
Quote[/b] ]Quote (ericz @ Nov. 03 2004,21:29)Unless of course they are actively supporting them against their own government.
You ever stop to think that maybe they are fearful for their families lives?
But no. They are all terrorists.
What the fuck ever.
NO they are not all terrorists and I am just as emotionally distraught as you seem to be over the deaths of Iraqi children and other innocents. But they need to shed the insurgents and join the political process if they ever hope to achieve peace. A very astute Muqtada Al-Sadr is attempting this.
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Acecombat
Quote[/b] ]unlike Kerry who like a true statesman delivered it from his heart and spontaneously. His ability to express himself and what he felt was truly remarkable.Perhaps he should have done that throughout his campaign, he would have had a better chance.
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Quote[/b] ]QuotePlease explain. I missed the point you no doubt witily made
Terrorists kill civilians unscrupulousely, but do so "to strike at the American aggresor", the infidels, the land of the free, however you wish to put it.
You attack Iraq with most likely good intentions (hey, you're not devils, I'm not stepping over that line) but you're killing people.
Bombarding houses in urban area's with jets just doesn't seem to comply with "minimizing civilian casualties". I'm no expert by any means, but the US has to have better means than that at its disposal?
Moral high ground/road meaning that, being the good guys you have to "set the example". Condemning terrorists is hard when you're in essence almost doing the same thing (again, I'm not saying that you're worse than "the terrorists" in general, numerically maybe a worse record in Iraq, but I digress) even by accident just comes across in a strange way.
I am sure a guided bomb is not the preferred method in all cases but some. Consider the thousands of residential raids that occur and have occurred. But in areas such as Fallujah, where this is not possible with other than an all out ground assault and in other circumstances where terrorists would be alerted to the raid by leak or sympathetic environment a guided bomb is in the tool box.
You could also ask, why wouldn't those Iraqis that live around the insurgents or know of their whereabouts inform the Iraqi authorities or police them up themselves. Unless of course they are actively supporting them against their own government.
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Who cares if your not amused, war is not for your amusement. Â Kindly post your credentials as a military person, better yet please list your combat experience. Â
I can tell you are outraged by all  the death and destruction that is occurring in Fallujah and thats admirable.  However, you say such silly things.  Particularly your characterization of our troops.  "Most of these soldiers are not old enough to control and stabilise their character. Their education is limited to Fox and some few years no-show at school.
How are they supposed to understand or digest what they are doing there. !"
I suppose you have conducted studies to arrive at that conclusion. Â Prounouncements like the one you stated above are truly a joke. Â Perhaps its your youth that makes you so naive.