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In case no one noticed but mailman has made Russian motor-rifle soldier: it can be downloaded on Flashpoint Ru

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Your 9 years of study sounds very biased btw. <span id='postcolor'> Of course  I only had access to western sources and American schools so what I do know was from countless hours with my Father and Grandmother who were both in Soviet Army and from a collection of all the books I read. I wouldnt mind spending 50 years if I could know all there is about this subject. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In many parts of Russia(and around Russia) the people did not hate the Germans as you say. Stalinism was actually what the people hated(lost farms/suppressed religion/prohibition against the cossacks) <span id='postcolor'> Right but thats before the fact. When Hitler invaded Russia he always meant for it to be a war of extermination. Dont forget to mention that more than half of those that really opposed Stalinism and fought against it including in Vlasovs army were Southern Ukranians. These were not Russians and Russia and Ukraine have had differences. For example we call them Kahkli and they make fun of us. It still goes on today. But the thing is even if Hitler did invade Russia earlier, he would have treated the population no different since when he did on the 22nd of June. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If it wasnt for the SS shooting and hanging everyone and as well all the obvious mistakes that Hitler made(way too numerous to list)I seriously doubt that Russia would have driven them back.<span id='postcolor'> agreed I never said otherwise.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm not denying that the Russians had a lot of manpower to spare<span id='postcolor'> Keep in mind that the general soviet strategy of defence was delaying actions while keeping the main army intact to mass for a counterattack. While the Germans fought for one city where the were held up the Russians withdrew a lot of men from the surrounding areas to a better defensive position. The losses were ones that the Red Army could afford. I am speaking by statistics. In reality this was a horrible thing to do. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but do you really think it would have been possible to reorganize the Red Army effectively after losing Moscow? I believe the morale of the Russian soldier would have been very low after such event, and the army would have suffered from mass desertions<span id='postcolor'> Yes  Moscow has fallen before and to Napoleon, plus many soldiers would have fought harder imo for Moscow than they did in the defence of it. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> agree that the German treatment of Russian civilians was one of the major reasons for such a stubborn resistance - think about the situation if Germans would have taken a different approach towards the civilians. People like General Vlassov would have gotten their army of "Free Russia". <span id='postcolor'> Very true. If only he didnt push the racial theories, the Russians themselves would have overturned Stalin. Now back on topic (or else this will get closed down) What kind of units would you like for the Russians like Gaurds units, members of the 62nd Army, Marine infantry? I dont think Stopplehopser will do all of this but I do think he will do one or maybe two different squads. The ones he has made were from the 62nd army at Stalingrad. So I think we need normal light summer uniforms since the majority of maps like Nogova, Everon are in the summer.

right but dont forget the millions of other soldier that Russia had. Even though Russia did lose a lot of soldiers they still managed to keep most of their army intact. IMO if the Germans had invaded sooner, there would just be more German crosses in Russia and more Russian crosses in Germany. Russia wouldnt have lost because of a couple of month. Even if we retreated all the way to the urals we still would have won because 1 Germany had no way logistically to supply its troops that far. 2. They couldnt hang 90 million German hating Russians in the areas that they did conquer 3. By the time the Germans did reach the urals or even taken Moscow, our armies would have been 5 times the size of theirs and also close to our supplies while they would have fatigued soldiers with overeached and thinly spread supplies. Russia wouldnt have lost but would have suffered a lot more as a result of an earlier German invasion. You must understand that with every step into Russia, Germany doomed itself to defeat. Its a historical fact. Hitler simply couldnt sustain a war of that magnitude for that long. Prove me wrong if you want, I would gladly like to learn more about the subject that I spent nine years studying. By the way dont take it as a flame, I just discussing it.

@DimaS ya tebe otvetal po pm nu petasya ponat shto ya shivo v'Amerike e ya student tak shto ou mena frema mnoga nyet ksashileynu.  Ny seravno ya pa probyo vse tvayi messege atvat kak bistra ya s' mogu. @ Canadian terror; what point are you referring to in the early war, Russia was losing real bad from the very beginning but things began to get better during the winter. Are you referring to the 1941-42 years? For the troops, I think you are talking about penal battalions but normal troops would be fine for conscripts. I mean its not like they had special cloth or anything and they still were used in massive wave assaults. Which I want too  . Moi email ya teba poslal po pm

Also what would be the use of Soviet conscript troops as they cant give real resistance since they cant use the bayonet. We dont need conscript units just generic units because to make them conscripts, all one would have to do is increase the riflemen and decrease the skill.

The thing is chaz, is that Stopplehopser was making the Russian infantry as an enemy for his main addon Landser so he probably would not spend too much time on it. Especially making different squads of Russian troops like conscripts to gaurds units. I think he just wants a generic brand of Soviet troops to use for combat against his main addon. What we need to try to do is to make he release the Russians in several uniforms with the same weapons. Like for example Soviet summer light infantry squad would = same weapons as Soviet winter light infantry squad. PS some squads in 1941 were fully equiped especially Gaurds units and Siberian troops. So it was not a rare occurance to see a fully loaded Russian especially when the Russian doesnt have that much equipment. Correct me if I am wrong anybody! I can make mistakes about this stuff too. So in other words how can we achieve maximum variety with minimum modeling?

At DimaS I sent you a pm about the list of Russian equipment. Are you Russian because if so I can read and translate Russian so you could send me email in Russian and I will translate and give to Stopplehopser in English. If not then do not worry about the language border but I would like for us to come up with the proper uniforms for Stopplehopser. I just want to get these guys out in proper form!

many Russian infantry men also had a shapeless green tunic with their bedrolls rolled up in a sausage like way and hung over one shoulder and under the other arm. These were propably the most numerous since the soldiers you have posted look like the ones at Stalingrad.

most soldiers also wore the pilotka hats during the summer. After they were issued steel helmets they wore the pilotkas under the helmets. In the winter the red star was transferred from the pilotkas to the ushankas Please vary the soldiers head gear. This would add a lot of realism.

thanks

i wouldnt leave out the anti tank rifles as those were used in vast quantities up until the lend lease act started delivering supplies and then the bazookas replaced em.

Stoppelhopser would it be ok if I post the cpp for the Dx_gl and the weapons so that maybe others would know whats going on?

strange, I tried what you suggested and not only the mgunner works. All the others say the same thing no entry model special. What do you think it could be?

This thing is sweet and on the site it says that now missiles no longer go through it. Get it from Flashpoint Ru Now along with Walkers WW-2 Russian weapons pack and the panzer From ofp.info.cz and the new German units from I44 mini demo the eastern front is almost, almost a reality! We just need textured Russian WW2 soldiers someone please help please! It is just one thing that is holding the eastern front from looking authentic!

I use version 1.90 I'll try the de pbo Stopplehopser, if you would like me to beta-test the soviet troops and weapons I would be more than willing to oblige. I have a vast background on the Eastern Front and know how weapons like the ppsh41 and mosin nagant operate. If not oh well Thanks for making the soviet troops I am really excited about them

Jotte bear with me here. Â The reason I said this was an early war type was that the author must have wanted to make it work against the panzer released with it. I think he modeled it that way to make the shells seemingly bounce off of the armor of the T-34 like with the underpowered guns of the early panzers in the war also making all the other tank guns ammo bounce off accidentally. I think he did this so he wouldnt have to lower the penetration rates or dammage amounts of the guns of the t-34 or panzer. What do you think? edit: oops didnt read your post correctly Yes your are right.

Stopplehopser I cant get your Landser addons to work, everytime I try to use them any of them it say no entry '.modelSpecial.' Then when I click on preview again it exits out of the game. It only does this with your units and I have all your weapons downloaded and your soldiers. What is the problem?

YEs! These units are phreaking sweet! Stoppelhopser I want to ask you about the weapons. There is a Russian weapons pack out that includes weapons like the PPsh41 and the mosin nagant. Will those be included? I am absolutly looking forward to these guys. Just giddy about them. Now will you be able to make winter Russian units with Ushankas(furcaps) or Russian summer uniform with the pilotkas cap (kind of like the one Alexandra wears). Thanks you so much for these awesome units. Is there an eta?

Jotte this model of the t-34 is early war from 1941 to 1942 because it still has the 76 mm main gun. Judging by why the author of this addon made it this way was that I think he wanted to make it reflect the shots off the armor like most German guns early in Barborrosa. You can still take the t-34 out with only 3 rpgs I think. He also fixed the missiles going through the turret in this version so I think it is rather nice.

Who is as giddy about this as I am? Â I wish the would model the weapons well. The walker pack wasnt bad but the mosin nagant needs changing.

This is a ridiculous claim. There is plenty for them to do, like recovering and rebuilding their country from the Russian destruction. Given the political chance and the right economic support they would indeed have a good chance of building a good country. Then why did the drug and hostage trade increase during that time? @ Goodspeed you must know the whole story of the Soviet Union seeing as how you were born in 1903 . Dont you remember the purges?

when is the demo due? Will it have the Field officers and others guys with weapons like Mp40? I want to know how much of the German and American squads will be in the demo. This is great so far and the k98 rifles are really cool to play around with in the editor. Keep up the good work!

This thing s fucking Sweeet yES! Thank you Invasion 1944 for the demo, it is awesome!

What the hell, Once I installed this addon it says that there is an error trying to memory map the res addon O But once I uninstall it the game is fine