War with Iran.

[walker 0]

Hi MadDogX

...Just circulate some internal memos and wait for the foreign intelligence agencies to pick up on them. Come to think of it, doing that will make it look all the more believable.

I think the game is even deeper than that:

The UK Prime Minister is not the only inexperienced person to have blabbed after being read in on inteligence information abut Iran:

Axelrod claims Iran has nuclear weapons

Axelrod claims Iran has nuclear weapons

Posted: June 29, 2009

9:20 am Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

In an apparent mistake, President Obama's senior adviser David Axelrod stated during an interview yesterday there are nuclear weapons in Iran which are a threat to the entire world...

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=102520

As always follow the link for the original and full text

The question then becomes why would Iran not have anounced them and or used them?

The answer on the core question: why Iran has not just announced it already has nukes remains the same: Iran may want to lure an attack as cover for breaking the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and pretext an attack on Israel.

As to the suplimentary to that question it may just be they are conducting a purely defensive strategy and copying Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity.

A further question is why non Iranian sources are saying Iran has nukes. Here the motivations become complex. Some may be internal politics, Likud may be wants to stay in power and is using a bogeyman to frighten its own electorate. The US and UK may be wanting give them selves an out if Israel goes too far, or perhaps want to use the threat to collar Israel. Russia may want to protect a trading partner and potential allie and thwart others influence in the region.

Here lies the looking glass Alice beware!

Kind Regards walker

[NoRailgunner 0]

Who is able to guarantee that politicians and intelligence agencies are telling the truth and revealing all facts and informations into public?

How many publishers are really independent from politics, economy and their own position?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Who is able to guarantee that politicians and intelligence agencies are telling the truth and revealing all facts and informations into public?

How many publishers are really independent from politics, economy and their own position?

They aren't, and they weren't back in the year 1939, 1955, 2001, 2003. I don't see the problem, the public will swallow it. :icon_eek:

[maturin 12]

The answer on the core question: why Iran has not just announced it already has nukes remains the same: Iran may want to lure an attack as cover for breaking the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and pretext an attack on Israel.

If Iran doesn't announce, it's for the same reason Israel doesn't denounce. The ambiguity is a weapon.

[Big Mac 19]

Why they cant have one? (Israel have nuclear weapons from 1970's or so, and without any declaration and international laws)

Israel doesn't support international terrorist groups.

: Iran is very peacefull, they hadnt made any wars for hundereds of years, just living their life. The war in 1980's with Iraq was defence. The "threat to stability" , i think you refer to fact Iran criticize Israel's politics

That is totally false. They've been backing Hezbullah, mined the persian gulf during the 80s,seized British sailors and Marines in international waters and attacked US troops in Iraq. These are not the actions of peaceful nation.

proofs? Even if that would be true, its kinda normal , remember Cold War?

Well the Karbala raid has pretty much proven that the IRGC has been operating within Iraq supporting the Shia insurgents and have even taken part in direct part in the killing of US troops. Your proof Even more proof Yet even more PROOF Oh look!! MORE PROOF This isn't the cold war and even during the cold war the US never took direct role in the killing of Soviet troops and vice versa. Edited August 13, 2010 by Big Mac

[maturin 12]

Israel doesn't support international terrorist groups.

They have the balls to commit their own war crimes nowadays, but they did help Falangists massacre refugees that one time.

And Israel has their own religious fanatics who make outlandish threats, just like Iran. I'm thinking in particular of the general who said that Israel's nukes can be targeted at European capital cities as well, and if it looks like the country is going to get overrun, the world will regret letting it happen.

Neither country is what I would call peaceful or even defensive, and neither is high on my "trust with the atom" list.

Still, it's funny how most of the middle east would rather see Israel with hundreds of nukes than Iran with the potential for one. Can't say I blame them.

[Devil Dogs SF 13]

About Isreal, I'm more worried about them starting a conflict instead of Iran starting one.

[eble 3]

Israel doesn't support international terrorist groups.

That is totally false. They've been backing Hezbullah, mined the persian gulf during the 80s,seized British sailors and Marines in international waters and attacked US troops in Iraq. These are not the actions of peaceful nation.

Well the Karbala raid has pretty much proven that the IRGC has been operating within Iraq supporting the Shia insurgents and have even taken part in direct part in the killing of US troops. Your proof Even more proof Yet even more PROOF Oh look!! MORE PROOF This isn't the cold war and even during the cold war the US never took direct role in the killing of Soviet troops and vice versa.

I don't see any proof there to be honest, just stories.

If the US had a direct link to Iran killing US servicemen, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't push it under the carpet.

Lets face it, if Iran would have been linked directly at that time it would have been the perfect excuse to go after Iran etc.

People seem to forget the Iraqi's were quite skilful soldiers as well, where do you think all those republican guards went too?

The US sacked the Iraqi army en masses upwards of 500,000 people out of a job, when you only know war what were they supposed to do?

[Big Mac 19]

I don't see any proof there to be honest, just stories.

If the US had a direct link to Iran killing US servicemen, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't push it under the carpet.

Wrong. If you actually read the sources I put up you'd find this little tid bit.

On July 2, 2007, the US military said that information from captured Hezbollah fighter Ali Moussa Dakdouk established a link between Quds Force and the Karbala raid. The US military claims Dakdouk worked as a liaison between Quds force operatives and the Shia group that carried out the raid. According to the US, Dakdouk said that the Shia group "could not have conducted this complex operation without the support and direction of the Quds force."

BTW Sweeping something under the carpet doesn't mean you tell everyone about.

Lets face it, if Iran would have been linked directly at that time it would have been the perfect excuse to go after Iran etc.

The NKs were a whole lot more direct than the Iranians and we never went after them. Including the capture of a US Naval vessel, the torture of Commander Lloyd M. Bucher the Captain of that vessel , 35 servicemen killed since the ceasefire was signed in 53 and the downing of a US Navy EC-121 in 1969 and 2 US Army choppers in 1979 and 1994.

People seem to forget the Iraqi's were quite skilful soldiers as well, where do you think all those republican guards went too?

First the insurgency then to the awakening councils. Some of them even joined the Army after that idiot Paul Bremer left. Plus I do believe the Republican Guard was made up mainly of Sunnis while the rest of that paper army was Shias. Edited August 14, 2010 by Big Mac

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

I don't see any proof there to be honest, just stories.

If the US had a direct link to Iran killing US servicemen, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't push it under the carpet.

Bull####. Wars don't erupt spontaneously, if they public had known, there would be cries ala Pearl Harbour.

Such info, though, might come up at the right moment when all the preparations are done.

[Big Mac 19]

Bull####. Wars don't erupt spontaneously, if they public had known, there would be cries ala Pearl Harbour.

Such info, though, might come up at the right moment when all the preparations are done.

It was known to the public and some people tried to call for war but it wasn't anything on the scale of Pearl Harbor.....

[Thunderbird 0]

If we continue on this way, we will just make things get worse. We need and must discuss with the iranians and stop this sort of demagogy. We have no lessons to give them and they have nothing to learn from us.

Time comes to take into account others culture, mentality and way of thinking. Keeping up and maintaining the current pressure will just make them want to arm themselves more, dig up and reinforce their lines by hiding many things which they would have not hidden in a "normal" situation.

Despite their hidden support to some terrorist groups and despite their willingness to take out Israel, we need to adopt a careful approach by basing ourselves on mediation and diplomacy. Threatening them won't frighten them. In fact, it will go against us much more than anything else.

Regards,

TB

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

It was known to the public and some people tried to call for war but it wasn't anything on the scale of Pearl Harbor.....

Iran is sure being treated like Japan 70 years ago. A lot of people wouldn't be surprised if some vessel from the 5th or 6th US Fleet hit a mine, or two around the Strait of Hormuz. :icon_eek:

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If we continue on this way, we will just make things get worse. We need and must discuss with the iranians and stop this sort of demagogy. We have no lessons to give them and they have nothing to learn from us.

Time comes to take into account others culture, mentality and way of thinking. Keeping up and maintaining the current pressure will just make them want to arm themselves more, dig up and reinforce their lines by hiding many things which they would have not hidden in a "normal" situation.

Despite their hidden support to some terrorist groups and despite their willingness to take out Israel, we need to adopt a careful approach by basing ourselves on mediation and diplomacy. Threatening them won't frighten them. In fact, it will go against us much more than anything else.

Regards,

TB

The US or Israel for that matter, do not want a diplomatic resolution to this situation. Smell the morning coffee, smells like it's 1932 all over again.

[Baff1 0]

Israel doesn't support international terrorist groups.

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Israel is born out of one. They've done their share.

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Bull####. Wars don't erupt spontaneously, if they public had known, there would be cries ala Pearl Harbour.

There have been direct and highly public attempts to link Iran with the deaths of U.S. servicemen in Iraq.

This is a commonly reported story found in all medias.

Funding, arming, training. HEAT roadside bombs, sniper rifles that were sold to Iran being used to kill our troops... funding for Sistani and Muqtada al-Sadr.

The public wants another war alright. They have been baying for Iranian blood for 40 years now.

But is's a bad time for one. No money, fighting on two fronts already, South America and Korea being itchy. War weary sevicemans families...

Iran will never get a bigger window of opportunity than it has right right now.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Baff1

[pviera11 10]

You have Russia(who sells Iran tons of Anti-Aircraft missiles, no air attacks from Israel, and still sells them uranium after the U.S. makes a deal with Russia), China who funds them, North Korea who gives them uranium, and sells them weapons. You have two super powers backing that country, along with another crazy country like Iran. We all know what Iran will do if they get a nuke, it heads straight for Israel, lets not try to look at a bright picture of it. But there is also reports of Israel having its own nuclear bomb, so maybe that would hold Iran off. or maybe we are wrong and Iran wants it to gain power in the world. You will never know, but limiting who gets a nuclear bomb in this world, and who doesn't will cost lots of money, and wasted time.

You are very correct that the people around the world wanted a war with Iran, and still do, for the simple facts that the media spreads alot of lies, and so does our government. Women cant drive in Iran, OH **** there's a video of a woman driving in Iran!. But if we go to war with Iran, Iran wont be by its self, north Korea may start a war with us, then China, and Russia will really start speeding up their funding process, and weapons selling. So we will have 4 wars going, with 2 countries that aren't easy to push over. Looks like you people aren't having a war with Iran any time soon, and Iran will probably get a nuclear bomb also.

[Devil Dogs SF 13]

I doubt Russia and China would help Iran, maybe not like the US of course, but they wouldn't ally themselves with Iran. Besides, in this world economy right now the US and Russia both have too much to lose to get into a conflict anywhere other than where US is right now.

[pviera11 10]

Like i said, it would probably never happen with China siding with Iran because for one they have the best trade with the U.S., and also Russian is unlucky, but if we went to war with Iran don't expect the weapon shipments from China, Russia, Or North Korea to stop going there. They will probably increase.

[comradechaos 10]

I highly doubt Iran is even developing a nuclear bomb considering their enrichment is so low.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Russia: Iran's nuclear plant to get fuel next week

MOSCOW – Russia announced Friday it will begin the startup next week of Iran's only atomic power plant, giving Tehran a boost as it struggles with international sanctions and highlighting differences between Moscow and Washington over pressuring the Islamic Republic to give up activities that could be used to make nuclear arms.

Uranium fuel shipped by Russia will be loaded into the Bushehr reactor on Aug. 21, beginning a process that will last about a month and end with the reactor sending electricity to Iranian cities, Russian and Iranian officials said.

Russia will back out as soon as the plant is destroyed; they never stood for anything geopolitically, except for a schizophrenic notion of communism through tyranny.

The people on the job - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomstroiexport

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The public wants another war alright. They have been baying for Iranian blood for 40 years now.

But is's a bad time for one. No money, fighting on two fronts already, South America and Korea being itchy. War weary sevicemans families...

On the contrary, it's a perfect time frame for a big war, and that wouldn't be a regional war. In case you haven't noticed the Great Depression II, or perhaps still buying the recession rhetoric by the ministry of propaganda, there's ample opportunities for war in this climate.

I'm not for war, I have multiple agendas, but sometimes you need to burn the village down in order to save it.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[Baff1 0]

It's already a regional war mate.

America is at war in two of Irans neighbouring countries.

If we were to extend the Great Depression scenario, we would see one country spending all it's stimulous money on military hardware and all the others cutting theirs back. And then give it about 10-20 years of this until the balance was significantly adjusted enough to go to war.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Read the whole article and not only what you like:

In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Bushehr "does not represent a proliferation risk. ... However, Bushehr underscores that Iran does not need its own indigenous enrichment capability. The fact that Russia is providing fuel is the very model the international community has offered Iran.

You see its not that "surprising" like some people should think or report. Politicians and lobbies do play their games...

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

It's already a regional war mate.

America is at war in two of Irans neighbouring countries.

I'm implying a hemisphere war, or at least one that covers several seas.

If we were to extend the Great Depression scenario, we would see one country spending all it's stimulous money on military hardware and all the others cutting theirs back. And then give it about 10-20 years of this until the balance was significantly adjusted enough to go to war.

All others - Russia and the like, those are cutting back on mil hardware and personnel, but not China, or India, or Taiwan for that matter (navy).

Think of this year as 1929, or 1930-31. America needs to get 'attacked' in order for the economy to get going, or there would be a 305+ million pissed civilians.

You can't short all of the markets all of the time, and nobody is investing in this volatile bullshit market. :icon_eek:

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Read the whole article and not only what you like:

You see its not that "surprising" like some people should think or report. Politicians and lobbies do play their games...

Israel pilots are known to play games involving concrete structures & JDAM ammunitions and sometimes with themselves (unconfirmed).

[Baff1 0]

I'm implying a hemisphere war, or at least one that covers several seas.

All others - Russia and the like, those are cutting back on mil hardware and personnel, but not China, or India, or Taiwan for that matter (navy).

Think of this year as 1929, or 1930-31. America needs to get 'attacked' in order for the economy to get going, or there would be a 305+ million pissed civilians.

You can't short all of the markets all of the time, and nobody is investing in this volatile bullshit market. :icon_eek:

I'm investing.

Getting attacked by China would involve 305 million dead civilians rather than 305 million pissed civilians.

There would indeed be a market growth potential in the event of any world war, but only for those countries that were not hit by it. That either stayed out of it or were not targeted for destruction.

It's not the same as it was prior to WW2, America is in range and the weapons are all much bigger now.

[Devil Dogs SF 13]

Doesn't matter how big the guns are if you have a million Chinese charging you...Man that'd suck, let's just fight Iran and not have a war with millions of KIA.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Doesn't matter how big the guns are if you have a million Chinese charging you...Man that'd suck, let's just fight Iran and not have a war with millions of KIA.

China is not a threat to the US, militarily. The Chinese will be charging & climbing those hills of Siberia and perhaps burning Vladivostok, but not California. :D