Would like veterans advice for upcoming mission

[Aculaud 0]

I'm making a mission right now that i plan to be as realistic as possible. So i was wondering if anyone could tell me about a realistic way for a sniper to enter "no mans land" or behind enemy lines or somewhere to that extent. Whats a realistic way for a sniper to be inserted into combat?

Also, if it makes any difference, this is just a two man team being deployed behind enemy lines. the mission focuses on enemy harassment and assassination of officers and whatnot. Things i thought to be pretty realistic for "sniper detail". If anyone has any other advice for realistic home made sniping in OFP, i'm all ears (or eyes in this case).

[Wobble 0]

Whats a realistic way for a sniper to be inserted into combat?

realistic?

have a "local" (civilian) in a shitty car drop you off on the side of the road and dart off into the woods.... and make yer way to yer spot..

[Aculaud 0]

ok, we're getting there. But how did i end up in the shitty civillian car? where did i start from?

[Wobble 0]

hmm.. want a story line.. how about this..

first ya haver yer mission briefing (whateve it may be) then you are driven from your base/camp/wherever in a jeep to a small poor village, to meed a farmer who has agreed to drive you (if the price is right), it works well because the enemy firces sort of know this farmer and know that every day at this time he drives to his fields to do work.. so they wont think anything of seeing him driving along..

eh?

ohh.. for an added twist have some enemy patrols.. that are semi-random.. that way occasionally you DO get stopped and have to kill the patrol then sprint into the forest with enemy forces right on yer ass..

add to re-playability

[Aculaud 0]

ok, this is all good, its just not fitting this mission. How did i get there? Did a black hawk drop me off on kolgujev? Did i boat there and theres the civillian waiting for me at the docks?

Right now, i have it like this.

The mission starts with your black hawk flying away and theres the resistance contact waiting for you. you go over to it, get in the jeep, and you drive to this town where you meet two resistance guys that brief you on enemy activity in the area, and then its off you go. This works pretty good for what it is, its just starting to feel like its too at your leisure. Would a real sniper be that safe? would he have a contact just waiting for him at his drop zone, and then just mosey on over to a resistance held town or what? Looking for realism here.

[red oct 2]

hmmm i always thought snipers were always air droped some couple of miles from the target. and snipers arnt usually alone i dont believe. wasnt sniping a two man job?

[USSoldier11B 0]

Snipers are often attached to larger units for insertion into an AO, mainly to hide thier presence, and to protect them from heavy contact on an LZ/DZ (most likely time to get hit is on insertion/extraction) He and his spotter will Jump/Air Assualt/Air Mobile/ Hump...etc.. into an AO along with a larger infantry element. Then he will break off and go his own way. For extraction they will set a link up point where the sniper will be escorted out with a larger force. When conducting assault/ air mobile insertion, chopper pilots will often do several false insertions to confuse the enemy. Or you could do it Carlos Hathcock style and tromp right off the firebase and start lighting up VC.

[Wobble 0]

ok, this is all good, its just not fitting this mission. How did i get there? Did a black hawk drop me off on kolgujev? Did i boat there and theres the civillian waiting for me at the docks?

well for starters.. what IS the mission? kinda hard to make a story line with nothing to base it on..

you start SOMEWHERE yes? do your forces have a camp/base on the island? or no.. well how about on a boat... start the mission on a little pbr with the storyline saying you were on an AC carrier... get inserted(by boat).. walk to the little village.. meet the farmer...et etc.. hop in etc etc.. or forgo the smelly farmer and just inser by boat in(or near) your target area.

have some the boat drop ya off and then have to get back to meet it at a certin time so you can get away.. .etc etc.. if ya miss it.. yer fucked

do you watn your birth scripted too or does that timeline go back far enough?

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 14 2002,05:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Or you could do it Carlos Hathcock style and tromp right off the firebase and start lighting up VC.<span id='postcolor'>

Elaborate if you would. Great example, by the way. How did he get to where he needed to go?

[IceFire 0]

Yeah, listen to USSOLDIER11B.

I think he is the only one here other than TEX who has real military experience (that I know of)

I think it's important to avoid guess work for making missions even if it seems common sense, because I think alot of military activities follow some specific proticol or procedure.

[Aculaud 0]

ok, for those that it may concern, the mission is this.

You are a sniper (a black op actually, i like those better, since the snipers in OFP look terrible.), and you have a spotter. You are being deployed behind enemy lines on Kolgujev to generally mess with the enemy in a way only a sniper can. Your priorities are assassinating high ranking officers, generally demoralizing the enemy, and at one point, artillery designation (yeah, i know its not really a snipers job to call in artillery, but it fits the story line in this case......trust me).

I'm making it as realistic as possible, while dealing with the confines of it being just a game, which means i'm pretty much compressing weeks of sniping activity behind enemy lines into one relatively small mission. There is no end to it, in a conventional sense. When you feel youve hunted enough for the time being, you may "disappear" at a location of my choosing (A certain forest there).

Refer to a previous post for my real problem with this.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ April 14 2002,05:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Right now, i have it like this.

The mission starts with your black hawk flying away and theres the resistance contact waiting for you. you go over to it, get in the jeep, and you drive to this town where you meet two resistance guys that brief you on enemy activity in the area, and then its off you go. This works pretty good for what it is, its just starting to feel like its too at your leisure. Would a real sniper be that safe? would he have a contact just waiting for him at his drop zone, and then just mosey on over to a resistance held town or what? Looking for realism here.<span id='postcolor'>

I agree with USsoldier11B's advice, and i totally trust its accuracy to real life operations, but i dont exactly know how to integrate it into my mission. Any ideas would be apreciated.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Carlos Hathcock (rest his soul) was tactically one of the most brilliant snipers ever. What I said was literal. His CO used to confine him to quarters in Vietnam because he would become emaciated from spending so much time in the field eating hardly anything. He knew where to look for "Charlie". He would literally grab his spotter and tromp off into the fuckucta weeds on foot. Sometimes he went in with an infantry unit, sometimes he hitched a ride with some armor. (Which is how he ended up getting severly burned saving dudes from burning armor.) Vietnam was a different kind of war though, there were no lines, the enemy was everywhere. Read the book "Marine Sniper" it is very insightful. I might be able to dig up a Countersniper field manual somewhere.

[Guest]

I was assigned as a spotter to a sniper a couple of times until a certain 'unfortunate incident' and we used the combination of boat + walk, boat + dive + walk or chopper + walk.

The average sniper however is most often a support unit that provides cover for advancing infantry units. Therefore they are most often deployed with the normal infantry.

Otherwise it all depends on your mission and the conditions.

[Aculaud 0]

yeah, what iv got is getting better.

Now iv got it set up like this

You get dropped off via blackhawk, and then another blackhawk comes down and drops off the Ranger unit you're being deployed with. You synchronize watches with them, exchange plans and whatnot, and then they head off to do the "mission".

I followed a lot of what USsoldier11B said, and added my own stuff to it.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Sounds good to me. I don't know much about how foriegn armies incorporate snipers into thier military doctrine, but U.S. keeps them in detachments so they can be flexible. Usually as a battalion asset. In Special Forces, each ODA (12 men)usually has a designated sniper.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ April 14 2002,06:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think he is the only one here other than TEX who has real military experience (that I know of)<span id='postcolor'>

I am not prior service. However, most of the people in my squad are.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I was wathcing a sniper special, and I saw something that blew my mind. This sniper team (Sniper and Observer) were decked out in ghillie suits that were 100% dead leaves, head to toe, completely insane. These guys are in a forest, get this: they inch along, crawling a few yards or so every 2 minutes, very slowly, and they look for all the world like big, catterpillars with dead leaves glues all over them. I swear to God, even if an enemy saw them, he would be to freaked out to do anything about it.

[IceFire 0]

If I saw 2 giant caterpillars the size of grown men, I would freak too. Lol. Imagine that!

[Aculaud 0]

i just got done tweaking the begining to perfection. The whole thing is nearly ready for beta testing.

So, thanks to USsoldier11B and denoir. Your info both came into play to an extent.

[USSoldier11B 0]

n/p, hope your mission turns out good. E-mail me the file when it is done.

[sn1per 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 15 2002,08:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds good to me. I don't know much about how foriegn armies incorporate snipers into thier military doctrine, but U.S. keeps them in detachments so they can be flexible. Usually as a battalion asset. In Special Forces, each ODA (12 men)usually has a designated sniper.<span id='postcolor'>

I got trained as a sniper in the Finnish army. Mostly we did support and recon. Often we were detached to (this is a straight translation) combat artillery observer squad. This squad was the first element in attack operating in the no man's land guiding other forces and arty and later we would move with the main force and do various support and special operations during the initial assault (never got into a real action though)

The sniper squad was two snipers armed with sniper rifles and in some maneuvers assault rifles also.

Three snipers / company = one sniper nco + two snipers

Rifles were SVD and .308 Valmet85.

[Aculaud 0]

well if anyone would like, i'll just post a beta version here

[Guest]

Sure. Post it!

[Aculaud 0]

will, do. Gotta get the briefing straightened out first. Sometimes i just hate working with html.

[Aculaud 0]

Its here! Check out "Mission Editing"