Mid east

[bn880 5]

Besides Israel, Pakistani court sentences 6 men to death after gang rape of a woman. (This is much worse than the gang rape)

Killing 6 people because they raped someone is completely out of this world (well I guess not). What do you think?

EDIT, it was 6 men not 5, see below

[bn880 5]

Israeli missile strike kills five Palestinians

A Palestinian militant and four children were killed Saturday in a double missile strike as Israeli helicopter gunships ambushed a car in the West Bank, Palestinian witnesses said.

Six sentenced to death over Pakistan gang rape

A judge sentenced six men to death by hanging in the gang-rape of a woman to punish her family -- a case closely watched by government officials and international human rights groups

[Bernadotte 0]

The gang rape was a judgement passed against the girl for consorting with someone out of her social class.  They forced her father to watch.

It's a pity they're only going to be hung by the neck.

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 01 2002,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides Israel, Pakistani court sentences 6 men to death after gang rape of a woman.  (This is much worse than the gang rape)

Killing 6 people because they raped someone is completely out of this world (well I guess not).  What do you think?

EDIT, it was 6 men not 5, see below<span id='postcolor'>

Those guys when they convict somebody they convict them good. But i think it's a bit extreme i say give them 20 or 30 years insted of hanging.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I dont know if this belongs here, but that reminds me of a story that happened to me yesterday. It was the birthday of a friend of mine who lives in Bonn and I decided to join him for dinner with him and his at a restaurant next to the river rhein. I took my moms car (mine is being checked) and parked it in front of a fat Mercedes with diplomat's license plate. while I was directing my car into the parking space a guy with middle-eastern face and a muslimic dress got out of the parked Mercedes, totally pissed,walked around his car and peed against the wall next to us. I was kind of afraid he would ruin my car but as long he wasnt trying to get out of his parking space no problem... bla bla bla in the end he hit my BMW with full speed backward...a loud bang, I checked but i couldnt see any harm on my car. I was ready to punch his arrogant face against the wall but when I opened the door of his car I saw that he had a girl with him. I told that girl that I will keep her number in case anything is wrong with my car and I told her if she doesnt take the keys away from him I will write a letter to the embassy/police that I saw him drunk-driving. I wonder how a muslimic state thinks of alcohol? She got the threat and drove that car out of the space (without hitting my car). I should blackmail him tomorrow!

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Sep. 01 2002,13:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I should blackmail him tomorrow!<span id='postcolor'>

do it , that's the only way people can understand , i would do the same thing for anybody who would bump into my car , blackmailing him , suing him , chasing him , asking my coworkers to make the life of the driver harder

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Sep. 01 2002,13:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...with diplomat's license plate.<span id='postcolor'>

Which nation?

[Bernadotte 0]

And meanwhile...

This is happening.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Israeli army issued a statement expressing "sorrow over the loss of civilian life."<span id='postcolor'>

So, is this where the Palestinians are supposed to forgive the IDF?

Hey E6Hotel, I really liked your Rosa Parks comparison, but what if her brave effort had never been reported?  What if the public had never found out about it?  In other words, how do you know there aren't any Palestinian versions of Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr.s or Gandhis?

And let's not forget that King's and Gandhi's people were not going up against tanks and Apache gunships.

[bogo 0]

Any day know we will see a terror bomg in Israel again as retalition for the attaks of the israeli. And i can't ges't imaging myself what the israeli spokesman will say on tv.

See that's what we are getting back from offering territories back to the palestinian.

Without even acnoliging that the action wich they ges't have made are to anger the palestinian people more and more.

And the sad thing is that falls in Ariel Sharons plan, it's like a peace for him is disaster.

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Sep. 01 2002,16:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In other words, how do you know there aren't any Palestinian versions of Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr.s or Gandhis?

And let's not forget that King's and Gandhi's people were not going up against tanks and Apache gunships.<span id='postcolor'>

"Just when I thought I was out, they PULL me back IN!"

- Michael Corleone

There very well may be Palestinian equivalents (I hope there are), but we've got a saying in my line of work: One "Oh, [hell]" wipes out a lot of "Attaboys." Suicide bombings will not work, ESPECIALLY when the opposition has tanks and gunships. If the Palestinians only want their own state they need to re-think their tactics.

Semper Fi

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Sep. 01 2002,19:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Sep. 01 2002,16:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In other words, how do you know there aren't any Palestinian versions of Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr.s or Gandhis?

And let's not forget that King's and Gandhi's people were not going up against tanks and Apache gunships.<span id='postcolor'>

"Just when I thought I was out, they PULL me back IN!"

- Michael Corleone

There very well may be Palestinian equivalents (I hope there are), but we've got a saying in my line of work: One "Oh, [hell]" wipes out a lot of "Attaboys." Suicide bombings will not work, ESPECIALLY when the opposition has tanks and gunships. If the Palestinians only want their own state they need to re-think their tactics.

Semper Fi<span id='postcolor'>

Israel doesn't have the right to hold it from them in the first place! They should expect trouble if they want to occupy their negibours.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Sep. 01 2002,07:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I told that girl that I will keep her number in case anything is wrong with my car and I told her if she doesnt take the keys away from him I will write a letter to the embassy/police that I saw him drunk-driving. I wonder how a muslimic state thinks of alcohol? She got the threat and drove that car out of the space (without hitting my car). I should blackmail him tomorrow!<span id='postcolor'>

Well it would be good if you contacted the Embassy, stirr the guy up a little. You may save someones life in the end from that bonehead.

Just say something like; hopefully you will keep an eye on this driver and make sure he is not drinking and driving.

To be safe you can do it anonymously, and I'll bet he will hear of it.

You probably know what a Soviet guy with Diplomatic status pulled off last year here in Ottawa, drinking and driving = killing. I don't really give a shit who it is.

On the Pakistani sentence: I think it's once case of primitive punishment for another. I am more disappointed with Pakistan now. Problem is; they have their own aincient laws (I don't agree with them but they are theirs), but we (West) influenced the latest verdict. This proves that we are no more advanced than they are. Give the men a long jail term, maybe with labor, but not death, it was their set of laws!

[bn880 5]

14:45 Jeep explodes in the middle of a busy market/parking lot. Where? No not in Israel, right near my house. (Ottawa Canada) Well it was not even a terrorist attack, just plain fuel fire... probably caused by mechanical failure.

Sounded pretty neat, gas tank and exhaust system flew out the back, vehicle torched, no injuries as fire grew before explosion. Glad I'm not in Israel.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Sep. 01 2002,19:O4)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There very well may be Palestinian equivalents (I hope there are), but we've got a saying in my line of work: One "Oh, [hell]" wipes out a lot of "Attaboys."<span id='postcolor'>

The other day I caused a car accident.  Nobody got hurt and the only witness was my girlfriend in the passenger seat.  Fortunately, the other driver belonged to an ethnic minority and it wasn't too difficult to get him all riled up with a few demeaning comments while my girlfriend phoned the police.  You should have seen how pissed off the guy was by the time the cops showed up.  He was ready to explode.  Needless to say the police believed my version of events, saving me a lot of money.  They also nearly arrested the other guy for disorderly conduct.  I just love the way One "Oh, [hell]" wipes out a lot of "Attaboys."  ...lol  ...Lol  ...LOL  

By the way E6Hotel, I just made all that up.  But I sure pity the person who ever has an auto accident with you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Sep. 01 2002,19:O4)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Suicide bombings will not work, ESPECIALLY when the opposition has tanks and gunships.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't agree.  Although I despise terrorism, the bombers only need to start going after economic targets like the mainland IRA did at Canary Warf and elsewhere.  The greatest cost to the British government was not the loss of life or property damage.  It was the huge insurance premiums and frequent security lockdowns that drove many international companies out of London.  Such economic turmoil in Israel could get rid of Sharon's land-before-peace party for a while.  But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Sep. 01 2002,19:O4)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the Palestinians only want their own state they need to re-think their tactics.<span id='postcolor'>

I can agree with your suggestion that ALL Palestinians be lumped together with respect to wanting their own state.  There are probably very few who don't.  However, I don't think it's fair to suggest that they ALL stand behind the same tactic (ie. terrorism).  That just ain't true.  It even sounds a bit racist, doesn't it?  

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can agree with your suggestion that ALL Palestinians be lumped together with respect to wanting their own state. There are probably very few who don't. However, I don't think it's fair to suggest that they ALL stand behind the same tactic (ie. terrorism). That just ain't true. It even sounds a bit racist, doesn't it? <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know that it is racist, merely misinformed. The fact is that terrorism is a PRODUCT OF OCCUPATION, not some act of malice from the Palestinians.

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 01 2002,22:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can agree with your suggestion that ALL Palestinians be lumped together with respect to wanting their own state.  There are probably very few who don't.  However, I don't think it's fair to suggest that they ALL stand behind the same tactic (ie. terrorism).  That just ain't true.  It even sounds a bit racist, doesn't it?  <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know that it is racist, merely misinformed. The fact is that terrorism is a PRODUCT OF OCCUPATION, not some act of malice from the Palestinians.<span id='postcolor'>

I coulden't agree more with you Paratropper.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Sep. 01 2002,21:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 01 2002,22:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can agree with your suggestion that ALL Palestinians be lumped together with respect to wanting their own state.  There are probably very few who don't.  However, I don't think it's fair to suggest that they ALL stand behind the same tactic (ie. terrorism).  That just ain't true.  It even sounds a bit racist, doesn't it?  <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know that it is racist, merely misinformed. The fact is that terrorism is a PRODUCT OF OCCUPATION, not some act of malice from the Palestinians.<span id='postcolor'>

I coulden't agree more with you Paratropper.<span id='postcolor'>

Thank you, are we all agreed that freedom for Palestine is the only real way towards peace?

[Sam Samson 0]

I think bogo, paratrooper,et al in their assessment of the current situation ignore or forget conveniently how the 6 day war came about and what happened after it.

judge that fruit by its tree.

or will we see you shift the blame again?

(that said my remarks should not construe that I agree with every last thing israel does today.)

(I hate political correctness. it makes men into hypocrites.)

I say paradise won't break out in palestine when israel withdraws from the zones. learn from the past. its not in those people. it can't come out. another solution will be neccessary.

e6hotel: you got some good (and even well conveyed) points.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Sep. 01 2002,19:O4)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the Palestinians only want their own state they need to re-think their tactics.<span id='postcolor'>

I think what he meant to say was:

If the Palestinian terrorists only want their own state they need to re-think their tactics.

or

If the Palestinians only want their own state then the terrorists need to re-think their tactics.

Otherwise it sounds like he's equating all Palestinians with terrorists and that ain't right.

Sorry to be so picky.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 01 2002,22:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think bogo, paratrooper,et al in their assessment of the current situation ignore or forget conveniently how the 6 day war came about and what happened after it.

judge that fruit by its tree.

or will we see you shift the blame again?

(that said my remarks should not construe that I agree with every last thing israel does today.)

(I hate political correctness. it makes men into hypocrites.)

I say paradise won't break out in palestine when israel withdraws from the zones. learn from the past. its not in those people. it can't come out. another solution will be neccessary.

e6hotel: you got some good (and even well conveyed) points.<span id='postcolor'>

Come on! The Six Day War is not any kind of justification for 30 years of occupation!

[Bernadotte 0]

Did ya see Sam's new avatar?

/Bernadotte hides behind Paratrooper and Bogo.

[bogo 0]

ME HAS ALIEN POWERS.

BE GONE SUPERSAM

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Sep. 01 2002,22:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hate political correctness.<span id='postcolor'>

Me too.  Even someone with both feet in his mouth might have something important to say.

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Sep. 01 2002,22:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think what he meant to say was:

If the Palestinian terrorists only want their own state they need to re-think their tactics.

or

If the Palestinians only want their own state then the terrorists need to re-think their tactics.

Otherwise it sounds like he's equating all Palestinians with terrorists and that ain't right.<span id='postcolor'>

"Tactics" applies to terrorists, not non-combatants, verdad? I have no doubt the majority of Palestinians only want to lead normal lives. However, if the terrorist minority continues down their present path it ain't gonna happen. As long as they believe that C-4 is the path to statehood, expect the status quo.

Semper Fi

[Col. Kurtz 0]

As I mentioned earlier, Israel has to go a new approach. Currently they say 'End terrorist attacks and we will withdrawl'. The terrorists are not going to do that. Israel has to be open and they need to be the one to seek peace. If they are willing to withdrawl without any demands, it would dawn a new era. They would see terrorist attacks go down somewhat and with time some peace could be achieved.