Why americans scare me

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ April 04 2002,20:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ April 04 2002,20:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ April 04 2002,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ April 04 2002,04:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ April 04 2002,00:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh yeah i forgot to add that cops are gay and patronizing and shouldn`t really have gone into a job like that if they have families or intend to have them !duh!<span id='postcolor'>

The only experiences I've had with the English police force are positive ones, they've arrived when requested, performed their jobs with professionalism and genuine concern, perhaps the reason I've had good experiences with them is the fact that the times I've met them I've been the victim of crime not the perpetrator.........

I have no idea if any of the police I've met are homosexuals but personally as long as they do their job correctly I really don't care.<span id='postcolor'>

Thats the kinda thing a cop would say :/<span id='postcolor'>

No it's the kind of thing a law abiding adult would say.<span id='postcolor'>

more like: that's what a law-abiding, correct-minded adult would say <span id='postcolor'>

gee maybe i need a lobotomy to be as correct-minded as u,also insinuating im a criminal due to differeing opinions is a tad childish.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

"some over here say, guys carry those guns because they are afraid of a good fist-fight!" and some agree to that. (ask the Irish)! I would never dare to judge on that issue

Well homocide has nothing to do with gun-laws. Those two cannot be put into an equation. In Germany homocide by teenagers is usually comitted through a car-crash.

[Wobble 1]

I bet if there had been proper gun control the cruisades would have been MUCH less bloody, I bet of there was a ban on guns during the stone age the average lifespan wouldent have been less than 40 years..  damn guns..

what? thats about as good as most arguments for banning guns as any?

you read this horseshit by these anti-gun idiots and you would think noone ever accidently died or killed someone, or murdered anyone before the gun was around.. yea .. ok..

oh but they say "children are dieing in gun accidents in the home!! guns must be banned children are dieing from them!!!!"

things that kill more children in accidents than guns:

1: cars

2: water

3: the sun (heat stroke.. this actually suprised me)

4: food

5:heights greater than 15 feet

6: various kitchen utinsils..

7: dad

8: other (other being crib death, or SIDS..)

so.. lets ban travlel, going swimming, leaving the house during the day (sun). lets ban  eating, any building or structire higher than 15 feet, ktchen items .. hell we dont need them, we cant eat.  Lets ban fathers also..  as for "other" we cant really control that..

ohh after all.. children are dieing from them!!!!

"some over here say, guys carry those guns because they are afraid of a good fist-fight!"

the problem with this is when they other guy says " I have a gun"  who is afraid then?

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ April 05 2002,01:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">gee maybe i need a lobotomy to be as correct-minded as u,also insinuating im a criminal due to differeing opinions is a tad childish.<span id='postcolor'>

Giving an opinions from ones own perspective isn't insinuating in the slightest

[Warin 0]

Wobble, you hit the nail right on the head there. Bravo.

I am likely far more liberal than you are, as I believe that restricting some weapons is a neccesary thing.

However, I despise the knee jerk liberals who equate responsible fire arms owners with criminals. They are so bloody sanctimonious and holier than thou. Gah!

I will admit that I am totally oblivious to gun laws in Texas. What does it take to get a handgun in Texas?

[Major Fubar 0]

Wobble, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

For the record though, I want to restate that I am not for a ban on firearms. I firmly believe that weapons for sporting purposes and home defence are perfectly OK.

After that dickhead martin Btryant shot dead 35 people here in Australia, the government went totally overboard with knee jerk reactions. Result: law abiding citizens basically cannot own guns here in Australia anymore, all due to the actions of one mental deficient. I mean, if this pea-brain really wanted to kill people so bad, he could easily have stolen a truck and driven it through a crowded shopping mall. The government's reactions were a pathetic and transparent attempt to grab votes (unfortunatley, the stupid public of Australia swallowed up the media's hype and it worked). If they were so serious about gun control, why wait until something like this happened?

Just out of interest, does anyone have any stats of how many guns used in homicides are a.) legally owned, how many are b.) imports/underworld weapons, and how many are c.) legal guns stolen from private residences or gunshops? That would be some intersting figures.

[Guest]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you read this horseshit by these anti-gun idiots and you would think noone ever accidently died or killed someone, or murdered anyone before the gun was around.. yea .. ok..

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A gun projects power. A nuke projects more power. This means that you can kill more people at a greater range. Yes, you can kill pepole with knifes... but fewer then with guns.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh but they say "children are dieing in gun accidents in the home!! guns must be banned children are dieing from them!!!!"

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Do you really think that the school shootings that you have had would be possible if the parents of those kids didn't have guns?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1: cars

2: water

3: the sun (heat stroke.. this actually suprised me)

4: food

5:heights greater than 15 feet

6: various kitchen utinsils..

7: dad

8: other (other being crib death, or SIDS..)<span id='postcolor'>

That is no real argument. Just because there are other pointless types of death doesn't mean that we should add another. By controlling/banning guns we cannot prevent car accidents, but we can prevent death shootings.

Nobody of you pro-gun people have answered my question. Why is there a big difference between homocides/capita in the US and Europe? Is it because Americans are more homocidal? I don't think so. The only other thing that makes sense is the difference in weapon density.

[Wobble 1]

Nobody of you pro-gun people have answered my question. Why is there a big difference between homocides/capita in the US and Europe? Is it because Americans are more homocidal? I don't think so. The only other thing that makes sense is the difference in weapon density.

money, per capita americans are the most wealthy people in the world, more money draws more crime.. period..

Care to guess how many of these homicides take place during a robbery, a burglery, a mugging, or a car jacking..

crime knows no culture or nationality, it goes where the profit.. and aside from "crimes of passion" all crime is based on MONEY.. so the place with the most money has the most crime..

look at history.. at any point more or less the ritchest kingdome/country/etc always has the highest crime rate..

on the other hand..

look at mexaco.. it is dirt poor compared to the US.. it has MUCH MUCH MUCH stricter gun laws.. and has twice the homicide rate.. as does Jamaca...

mexaco has 1/30th the amount of LEGALLY owned firearms per 100,000 people, but has over twice the amount of shooting related homicides per year per 100,000

so if less guns=less crime.. why doesent this apply to mexaco..

also if you look at ANY country, as the rate of legal gun ownership decreases the crime rate increases.. almost without exception.

fewer guns=less crime... a novel idea.. except that history clearly proves otherwise.

[Guest]

Even if you skip crime-related stuff.. if you just take the 17% family shooting.. you still have twice the amount of homocides / capita then the European average for *all homocides*. So it isn't just crime related stuff.

I don't think that people become criminal because they have access to guns, but guns provide an excellent tool for violence.

As your example with Mexico - I think that poorer countries have more homocides then rich ones. But that doesn't matter.

How do you explain you infamous school shootings?

[foxer 0]

Nobody of you pro-gun people have answered my question. Why is there a big difference between homocides/capita in the US and Europe? Is it because Americans are more homocidal? I don't think so. The only other thing that makes sense is the difference in weapon density.

Because of drugs.Laziness.Also because it's alot easier to sell guns in america off the street which is illegel,how ? america is soo big it's easy to hide from police.But in europe it's alot harder,because countries are more compact,cities are more compact.

I think drugs is the big problem though.Every city has a drug problem,most of the time deaths are all about someone doing drugs and drug deals gone bad.

[Major Fubar 0]

Hey, whaddya know, Europe doesn't have a drug problem

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you really think that the school shootings that you have had would be possible if the parents of those kids didn't have guns?

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They would have gotten them from somewhere else. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Also, Columbine, the worst school shooting to happen. The gun "children" Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold did not get the guns from thier homes. They purchased them illegally.