Dragon Rising has been released

[Daddl 10]

You dont even have the PC version... you have NO idea about the p2p problems yet you defend CM...

I've come to accept that some people tend not to read what I write, but simply read what they want to read ('oh, look, another fanboy...'). Yes, there may be P2P problems - I never denied those, but tried to be helpful instead of belittling other people.

As for the rest of your post: Competition is good, and I think DR - whether it failed in your eyes or not - at the very least helped spur BIS into making a much better second iteration of ArmA (and yes, first ArmA was the worst BIS game I've played so far - started out with more bugs than an ant hill, no campaign worth playing,... all fixed with time and user content, but no worthy successor to Res or CWC). And no, I don't personally play ArmA 2 as I stopped throwing money down the bin trying to have an up-to-date gaming pc all the time and have long ago become fed up with the continuous need to tune the system just to get the last bit out of my games. But that's not the point: BIS managed to release OFP even on the original XBox, without support for streaming technology or anything. It was quite a good port (came even with an editor). So basically good milsims ARE possible even on consoles. The quality (or lack of) of DR has nothing to do with consoles, but with the fact that they don't have 8-10 years of experience in the field - and have a big company making the decisions instead of a dedicated core of enthusiasts (and yes, Scrub, I CAN understand your frustration about that one - but that's reality in ANY big corporation, especially if business isn't going too well!).

There have been many so called 'OFP/ArmA killer games' out there for years. They never reached the potential of BIS games but the uproar always was tremendous - but many (and this is where we have to agree to disagree in regards to DR) were still fun to play in their own right. And if they keep BIS from slacking off, all the better.

[Bulldogs 10]

I agree that DR is fun for a lot of people, I actually enjoy playing it for 15mins a week (really doesn't hold interest much more than that, but a bit of fun), but I think that's the main reason people are annoyed. People gave been waiting a long time for competition to BIS games, and there were some poor attemps there (soldner anyone?), but no real competition has ever come along.

So once people heard about dragon rising everyone thought there would finally be a good competition to arma, but CM chose not to even attempt to challenge BIS and instead of a milsim we ended up with ... well ... Dragon Rising.

[bangtail 0]

I agree that DR is fun for a lot of people, I actually enjoy playing it for 15mins a week (really doesn't hold interest much more than that, but a bit of fun), but I think that's the main reason people are annoyed. People gave been waiting a long time for competition to BIS games, and there were some poor attemps there (soldner anyone?), but no real competition has ever come along.

So once people heard about dragon rising everyone thought there would finally be a good competition to arma, but CM chose not to even attempt to challenge BIS and instead of a milsim we ended up with ... well ... Dragon Rising.

Sure it is, but that wasn't the issue.

This "daddl" character has been berating anyone who doesn't agree with him and suddenly he's trying to sound like the voice of reason.

Personally, I don't like DR at all and I gave it a fair shake. Beyond the fact that the game isn't very good sucks (IMO) there is all the lying etc that goes part and parcel with that dev team and specifically their snidey mouthpiece who has consistently misled the public.

As Kklownboy pointed out, Daddl doesn't even own the PC version yet he blindly defends CM concerning PC specific problems. This is about as unobjective as it gets.

His latest claim is that people "don't read his posts properly". I've read every one of them and they speak for themselves.

Edited November 13, 2009 by BangTail

[Daddl 10]

This "daddl" character has been berating anyone who doesn't agree with him and suddenly he's trying to sound like the voice of reason.

I already asked you to show me proof for your allegations. I've tried to stay polite despite you and others attacking me personally. You just present another example why a reasonable debate simply isn't possible with you. A 'voice of reason' is simply not allowed here, as long as 'reason' != 'your opinion'. Now trying to turn the blame on me is just weak. Anyways, I've had it (hey, you won, kid!) - I'll continue to enjoy this game, waiting for BIS to fullfill their promise to console users, while you waste your time trolling and trying to provoke others.

[andersson 285]

I guess CM had a good idea to use the name OFP, as they owned it, and make a competitive game for BIS taking over parts of the community.

Then after some development they realised that they cannot make a game close to the scope and complexity of BIS OFP/arma. So when they realised that they will not be able to make a true competitor they had invested alot of money.

So the logical step (from a money perspective) is to make the game playable/sellable without spending much more money so the sales hopefully will cover the expenses (or atleast minimize the loss).

So how do you cut expenses? Stop development and slap whatever they had together into something that is playable. And to sell a sorry mess of broken illusions and code, that wouldnt sell much as is, they made the best investment, advertisment and hype. That way they got a boost of sales in the beginning. Then try to squeeze some more sales by keeping silent so rumours and hope about patches can keep the hope up.

I dont think CM ever had any plans of support, patches, modding tools or dedicated servers for quite some time before DR went gold. I think they just tried to make the mess less of a loss. Keep the forums under strikt and hard supervision (avoid anything negative, dont let the developers say/promise too much) while building up a hype (ads, reviews).

This is ofcourse just my thoughs based on what I read on internet. I dont know much about game development or business. But this is what I think happened.

And this thread has always been entertaining as I had the feeling from the start that it would end up like this. You cannot just make a competitive sim for BIS just because its a "good idea".

Too all new arma players that migrate from DR (or thinking of it);

Arma2 is so much better then at release and it will continue to improve (and Im not only talking about usercontent). The latest 1.04 is really good, and the beta patches are released all the time improving alot. The latest is not close to 1.04 anymore.

Welcome!

Read this page, its a good example of the support from the dev-team for this game:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=84347&page=170

Edited November 13, 2009 by andersson
dev support

[bangtail 0]

I already asked you to show me proof for your allegations. I've tried to stay polite despite you and others attacking me personally. You just present another example why a reasonable debate simply isn't possible with you. A 'voice of reason' is simply not allowed here, as long as 'reason' != 'your opinion'. Now trying to turn the blame on me is just weak. Anyways, I've had it (hey, you won, kid!) - I'll continue to enjoy this game, waiting for BIS to fullfill their promise to console users, while you waste your time trolling and trying to provoke others.

Drop the act kid, you aren't fooling anyone and you most assuredly are not the "voice of reason". That's laughable :D

I don't debate with people who TELL me what I should like and why.

You like it, that's fine. I don't think anyone is questioning your right to like the game. You don't see me disagreeing with Bulldogs who just said that he likes it. It's the way you present your argument that is causing people to confront you, not your argument itself.

And regarding trolling, People in glass houses etc.

Edited November 13, 2009 by BangTail

[jw custom 56]

I'll continue to enjoy this game, waiting for BIS to fullfill their promise to console users

I couldn't see myself playing a game as huge as ArmA 2 on a console, on the other hand i couldn't see myself playing a limited console game as DR on my PC :eek:

Personally i hope ArmA 2/OA NEVER reaches the consoles!

[bangtail 0]

Personally i hope ArmA 2/OA NEVER reaches the consoles!

Ditto

[andersson 285]

As long as it doesnt affect PC version I dont mind.

But regarding that matter, the UI in arma1/2 have a more consol touch with that f**king icon in the middle of the screen, and that came after OFP-elite..

[SwiftyBoy 0]

@andersson:

You mean the crosshair? Just turn it off, my friend, I do.

Or is there another icon?

[jw custom 56]

@andersson:

You mean the crosshair? Just turn it off, my friend, I do.

Or is there another icon?

Think he's referring the perform action "icons"... not sure though.

[vilas 477]

remember what i said few days ago ?

about people moaning "bad buggy Arma" "super DR" ???

few sites ago on this topic (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?p=1487560#post1487560)

well i am back to say, that i get some answers about what i wrote

and result:

bugs of arma - head bug (no centered aim like in all stupid shooters)

stupid parachute jump landing and another little jump after land (hmmm, what is stupid in it, comparing to DR? i thought that DR has stupid jump anims)

high PC recommendation and... lack of cumulation of shockwave power...

wait, wait

guy told, that he put some more satchels and power of C4 was not cumulated and he expected whole village/town to be destroyed, not only building...

wait.. wait...

if professional engineering software used by professionals deals with such things, he expect it with game with low PC power ?

it doesn't make sense

other people who were moaning about "poor Arma because of poor optimization" told they have... listen, or you won't believe

VGA 7900 , sory but it was card that i had BEFORE i bought Arma1 and it was VGA i was using in first months of Arma 1

and they claim that Arma 2 is poor game, cause their 3-4 years old VGA cannot hold it on max fluently ??

maybe in DR they have 70 FPS , i don't know

i think that my VGA 8800 ca. 30 FPS on max textures, models , low terrain and other effects off is very good result that allow me to play it

__________________________

Luhgnut;1488537']

1) You didn't like Arma1 because of the many bugs.

2) Dragon Rising isn't so bad (even though it's not even close to a mil-sim) and are upset if people think (including me) it's a pile of warm shit.

.

if i can stick my 2 cents :

1) yes, it was buggy game and now A2 is good game

2) i never like when someone broke promises, say one do other

i could even like DR if it was NOT:

- using holy words "Operation..."

- be called "never seen before in any other game ... realism , military..." "simulator..." "sequel"... and all rendered movies cheating us

when i saw soldiers that leave LAV and opening doors and etc. i thought "wooow"

but when i read what people have with DR...

Edited November 13, 2009 by vilas

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

I'll continue to enjoy this game, waiting for BIS to fullfill their promise to console users, while you waste your time trolling and trying to provoke others.

Uh what "promise" did BIS make to console users? I don't get it. In one sentence you slam Arma1 because of more bugs than an Ant-hill. Then in the next sentence want to know when Arma2 is going to come out for a console. You don't have a PC big enough to run it on. BTW. I just build another computer for my wife and it's stronger than mine and cost less than a console and runs Arma2 fine. So that argument doesn't hold water.

So what's you're point? Trying to make people believe that Dragon Rising is a good game? You won't here. A voice of reason when CM lied to it's customer base nearly on all levels.

So let me try and summarize your thoughts the way I understand them.

1) You didn't like Arma1 because of the many bugs.

2) Dragon Rising isn't so bad (even though it's not even close to a mil-sim) and are upset if people think (including me) it's a pile of warm shit.

3) You want BIS to fulfill some promise that Arma2 should be on consoles.

Look if you can't afford a PC to run Arma2 then why are you here? You can't even play the thing.

[bangtail 0]

remember what i said few days ago ?

about people moaning "bad buggy Arma" "super DR" ???

few sites ago on this topic (http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?p=1487560#post1487560)

well i am back to say, that i get some answers about what i wrote

and result:

bugs of arma - head bug (no centered aim like in all stupid shooters)

stupid parachute jump landing and another little jump after land (hmmm, what is stupid in it, comparing to DR? i thought that DR has stupid jump anims)

high PC recommendation and... lack of cumulation of shockwave power...

wait, wait

guy told, that he put some more satchels and power of C4 was not cumulated and he expected whole village/town to be destroyed, not only building...

wait.. wait...

if professional engineering software used by professionals deals with such things, he expect it with game with low PC power ?

it doesn't make sense

other people who were moaning about "poor Arma because of poor optimization" told they have... listen, or you won't believe

VGA 7900 , sory but it was card that i had BEFORE i bought Arma1 and it was VGA i was using in first months of Arma 1

and they claim that Arma 2 is poor game, cause their 3-4 years old VGA cannot hold it on max fluently ??

maybe in DR they have 70 FPS , i don't know

i think that my VGA 8800 ca. 30 FPS on max textures, models , low terrain and other effects off is very good result that allow me to play it

This has been a problem with OFP/A1/A2 for a long time and I suspect the reason for at LEAST 50% (I'm being VERY conservative here) of the posts in the "Troubleshooting" section.

Too many people just don't understand that PCs != consoles. They think PC is a generic term. I think a lot of people just assume that saying you have a PC is much the same as saying you have a PS3 not realising that "PC" is a very simple definition for something far more complex.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

if i can stick my 2 cents :

1) yes, it was buggy game and now A2 is good game

2) i never like when someone broke promises, say one do other

i could even like DR if it was NOT:

- using holy words "Operation..."

- be called "never seen before in any other game ... realism , military..." "simulator..." "sequel"... and all rendered movies cheating us

when i saw soldiers that leave LAV and opening doors and etc. i thought "wooow"

but when i read what people have with DR...

People get mad at BIS because they can't run it (because if a game isn't running at 70FPS+ then it's crap) but then think it will run better on a console that is less power than a PC. Then a company comes along that slaps "Operation Flashpoint ... yadda yadda" on the box is better. Look, Dragon Rising was created FOR A CONSOLE. Of course a PC will run it smooth. If you develop for the smaller system, the larger system will run it fine. Now this guy wants a game that needs PC power to be dumbed down to a console. These damn consoles.... PC's by their very nature will have more in-depth gameplay. Can you even imagine using a console controller to issue orders to Arma2 squads? I have a PS3 and not a single game for it. I use it as a BlueRay Player only. I've rented a game or two for it, but the games are so watered down and arcade like. FPS games, forget it. Trying to get on target with one is nothing but frustration.

Play consoles for arcade games.

Play PC games for depth and precision. When companies try and mix the two, they are only going for more sales. And the final outcome is that you have a game that is going to fail on one of the two systems.

---------- Post added at 09:30 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:20 AM ----------

This has been a problem with OFP/A1/A2 for a long time and I suspect the reason for at LEAST 50% (I'm being VERY conservative here) of the posts in the "Troubleshooting" section.

Too many people just don't understand that PCs != consoles. They think PC is a generic term. I think a lot of people just assume that saying you have a PC is much the same as saying you have a PS3 not realising that "PC" is a very simple definition for something far more complex.

True this.... just look in a computer gaming mag for 10 seconds. I used to sell PC's retail. It was pathetic. A family would come in looking for a PC for home. I would then find out what they want it for. Normal stuff, internet access, kids use it for school, you know the usual. I would ask, "Would you be using it for gaming?" Answer: "Maybe every once in a while." So I set them up with a little $399 emachine. Then... dad will say, "Kids go pick out a couple of games." So the kids get all excited and take off, and come back with Crysis, and Call of Duty MW. They want to play these on a Celeron. Now you tell them the system won't run them well. Kids get upset and dad says ok how much for a system to play these. Now I'm walking them over to the $500 and up machines. He freaks, buys the lower and system, and the games, then comes back a couple days later wanting a refund.

You're right, a PC and a gaming PC are two different animals.

[ArchangelSKT 0]

These guys LIED

One guy posed many peoples thoughts by saying "How about simply giving us what it says on the back of the box?"

That is true and I agree with what you say, I find it VERY strange at the least to see how a company can actually hype that game and having "Dedicated host server recommended for optimum performance" labelled in print on the back of the very box of the game and then a month afterwards offering a response on the official forum in BY FAR the largest thread saying that there will be NO Dedicated servers.

I am by all means no laywer, but serioulsy I hope some players inquire about consumer laws because this seems just plain out to be a fraudulent approach with a very clear evidence that CM have indeed conned their paying costumers into purchasing a product that fails to deliver what it says, and the evidence is even printed on the case of the game.

I am actually tempted to send an inquiring e-mail to the consumer agency here in Norway to hypotetically see what they would say, but I have not personally purchased the game, or at least flip out my 'Norwegain Law' book that I used in upper-secondary school.

A very serious breach pf trust from CM this, it is actually as it becomes more so the more I think about it, I am sick of being a brainless 'puppet' consumer for developers that does not give what they promise, or even worse as it is in this case, actually do what is required in order to facilitate the game in such a manner so it can be used as a product that they have made in accordance to what it actually states on the backside of the very case of the product itself.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

That is true and I agree with what you say, I find it VERY strange at the least to see how a company can actually hype that game and having "Dedicated host server recommended for optimum performance" labelled in print on the back of the very box of the game and then a month afterwards offering a response on the official forum in BY FAR the largest thread saying that there will be NO Dedicated servers.

I am by all means no laywer, but serioulsy I hope some players inquire about consumer laws because this seems just plain out to be a fraudulent approach with a very clear evidence that CM have indeed conned their paying costumers into purchasing a product that fails to deliver what it says, and the evidence is even printed on the case of the game.

I am actually tempted to send an inquiring e-mail to the consumer agency here in Norway to hypotetically see what they would say, but I have not personally purchased the game, or at least flip out my 'Norwegain Law' book that I used in upper-secondary school.

A very serious breach pf trust from CM this, it is actually as it becomes more so the more I think about it, I am sick of being a brainless 'puppet' consumer for developers that does not give what they promise, or even worse as it is in this case, actually do what is required in order to facilitate the game in such a manner so it can be used as a product that they have made in accordance to what it actually states on the backside of the very case of the product itself.

I do tech support for a large law firm. We have 200 lawyers here. I asked one during lunch about this the other day, and he said, "If it's on the box, they have to include it. But he also said, "They didn't say they would specifically provide a dedicated server. It implies that it is. He feels that there is a case though. I showed him the forum where they said there will be no server. He asked who posted it and if he is an employee of CM. I said no, he's an ultra-fan and does it for free. He said, "Unless an actual CM paid employee states it, it is just another user spreading rumors." So that's why you don't ever see an official statement from CM. They are hiding.

---------- Post added at 10:15 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:05 AM ----------

This has been a problem with OFP/A1/A2 for a long time and I suspect the reason for at LEAST 50% (I'm being VERY conservative here) of the posts in the "Troubleshooting" section.

Too many people just don't understand that PCs != consoles. They think PC is a generic term. I think a lot of people just assume that saying you have a PC is much the same as saying you have a PS3 not realising that "PC" is a very simple definition for something far more complex.

Part of the fun is getting an older machine to run stuff top notch. It's like a separate hobby. I remember the old days..... sigh.... When you had to load your DOS drivers into high memory with memory managers just so a game would sorta run. Now, if anything isn't perfect out of the box, people want to (as someone put it) start assembling to begin building siege weapons. If a game works perfect out of the box, I consider it a bonus.

[SD_BOB 10]

Does that Helios bloke not work for CM then?

Oh and i wish ppl would stop moaning about ArmA2 not being on consoles. So what, BI are staying true as a PC developer. That is very very very rare these days, the last two "biggest" titles to have been released (DR & MW2) are both just console ports. Hopefully more PC developers will look at the failures of recent months and see the PC market seperate again. Otherwise we might aswell give up PC gaming now, because in 5 years if ppl keep supporting these cheap console ports and watered down features we're not going to have a PC community.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Shadow.D. ^BOB^

[Deadfast 43]

Luhgnut;1488577']So that's why you don't ever see an official statement from CM.

It is an official statement (post), Helios is CM's community manager.

[andersson 285]

@SwiftyBoy

Action menu icons is what I mean. Crosshair was turned off forever 2001 for me ;)

I hate that magazine icon when I need to reload, the wheel when Im "offered" to get in as driver and so on. If it atleast could be in a corner, but no in the middle of the screen like som console game...

Anyway, this is OT. Sorry. Back to less important matters... ;)

edit;

It is an official statement (post), Helios is CM's community manager.

I like his signature, seems now to fit in: "The secret ingredient is crime"

Edited November 13, 2009 by andersson

[bangtail 0]

Luhgnut;1488577']

Part of the fun is getting an older machine to run stuff top notch. It's like a separate hobby. I remember the old days..... sigh.... When you had to load your DOS drivers into high memory with memory managers just so a game would sorta run. Now' date=' if anything isn't perfect out of the box, people want to (as someone put it) start assembling to begin building siege weapons. If a game works perfect out of the box, I consider it a bonus.[/quote']

We may not have had the graphics back then but games like Wasteland, Bard's Tale, Ultima, Falcon, Airbone Ranger, Gunship, F15 Strike Eagle etc etc kept me going for months (and in some cases years).

PC gaming is being systematically destroyed because it is competing with consoles instead of remaining true to what it was.

I deal with so many people who think an Xbox360 is as powerful as a high end gaming PC and I have to explain why it's not the case but a lot of the time, they just refuse to accept it.

As always, we need to support companies like BIS and ED to ensure that, even if we don't have many good titles, the ones we have are as excellent as A2, LOMAC, Black Shark et al.

---------- Post added at 10:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:30 AM ----------

Does that Helios bloke not work for CM then?

Oh and i wish ppl would stop moaning about ArmA2 not being on consoles. So what, BI are staying true as a PC developer. That is very very very rare these days, the last two "biggest" titles to have been released (DR & MW2) are both just console ports. Hopefully more PC developers will look at the failures of recent months and see the PC market seperate again. Otherwise we might aswell give up PC gaming now, because in 5 years if ppl keep supporting these cheap console ports and watered down features we're not going to have a PC community.

QFT.

F**K consoles TBH.

Sure, that's harsh, but they've screwed up enough of the franchises I enjoy so console users can just live without A2. Better BI concentrates on the PC version and expansions.

Edited November 13, 2009 by BangTail

[Bulldogs 10]

Yep, Helios works for CM and makes all the official posts, the rest are just fans, so it's an official response.

[RaXz 0]

Big change that the console version of ArmA2 will end up like OFP:Elite, that was not the most popular game. Mainly because it was missing the instant gratification and regenerating health. I think the days of great ports for the consoles are over, I still remember the day that I put Populous in my Sega Master System that I got as a birthday present. It came with a massive manual, and I thought before I got it that it was a platform game (I was only 11 back then), it was pure bliss when I finally grasped the concept of godgames.

Nowadays people's heads exploded when they come into contact with such a game on the consoles, except for a minority. Even Civilization has been watered down for the consoles while a pure port of Civ1 was released for the SNES. It's a shame that the industry has declined so far, that most publishers see it as a Personal Console, and port console games to it instead of making true PC games such as ArmA. I use my PC for that, and for some mindless fun I turn on a console.

[vilas 477]

joke 1 :

location: near future

one website forum is redesigned

options:

"login (fanboy), register and ban me immediately before posting (others)"

joke 2:

discussion of 2 people (not say who):

- i had a deram

- me too, what was your draem ?

- in my dream i could ban whole world from posting

joke 3: kinda monthy-python:

the worst day of my life ?

one day dragon came to my house and ate all my rice

joke 4:

-mamyy, mammyyy i am stuck , i cannot move, help me

-don't ride the tank near forest

joke 5:

- mammyy, mamyy, is it true that Chinese are fattest people of the earth?

- yes son, on 200 square kilometers you can only fit 63

joke 6:

- what you will never hear, even in bad dream ?

- oh no, 5 is down

joke 7:

- what you will never hear, even after hour of shooting ?

- this is 2, i am out of ammo

joke 8: director asks teachers

- how can we teach kids to care about natural environment and trees ?

- maybe we should install Dragon Rising?

joke 9:

two gamers woke up (in one bed ?? nevermind), one woke up screaming

- oh god, oh god, Tom, i had so horrible dream, i was commanding small squad and there was enemy platoon near and they started to shoot

- oh Paul, i had the same dream, but it was nice dream, not horrible

- how is it possible ?

- it was in Dragon Rising

- okay, you right, i should stop playing Arma

joke 10:

- 911, Police, sgt. Martin Rodriguez, listening , what happened ?

- please help me, i cannot move, there are people with guns , please help me, i cannot go , i am stuck

- sir, can you give me the location, your name, i will send patrols

- please help me, i see Chinese soldiers, they fire, i afraid they can kill me

- can you hide from them, where are you ?

- i am in Abrams tank, there are 2 or 3 trees around me

- oooo, so just get out from this goddamn tank and continue on foot and don't bother police when you are not in danger

epilog of joke 10

guy get out from tank, moved happy without any harm , when he moved over kilometer game blown to menu with following message appeared "mission failed, you left combat zone"

joke 11:

- what would happen if some crazy dictator would like to bomb Skira ?

- nothing, they have no jet planes

joke 12:

- what is difference between living on Skira and living in USSR under Stalin dictatorship ?

- in USSR noone promised you to travel wherever you want

joke 13:

lesson of english language for foreigners, professor asks students:

- dear friends, can you show me examples of some irrational contradictions in english language, i want check your knowledge about antonyms, can we start ?

one hand goes up

- yes, please tell me

- white neger

- in english we say afro-american cause in english this word is used as not proper because of history, but of course it is good example of contradiction in language, ooo i see next hand in air, yes, tell us your example

- honest politician

- yes, hehe, okay i see another hand in air, please tell us your example:

- black light

- goood example, good, next person please,

- sequel to OFP

joke 14:

lesson on history , teacher in class wanted to say something about WW2 and about totalitarism

- dear students, maybe i will start lesson from puzzle , who told "a lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth" ?

one kid raise arm:

- Sion ... ooops sorry, it was Goebbels

joke 15:

- are jokes above funny ?

- no if you had to pay your money to understand them ;)

Edited November 13, 2009 by vilas

[pj[cz] 2]

joke 4:

-mamyy, mammyyy i am stuck , i cannot move, help me

-don't ride the tank near forest

LoL Vilas some of those are trully brilliant :D

Ill add one to:

A teammate bot in a checkpoint autosave area: Body found! One of my own? LOLWUT

Edited November 13, 2009 by PJ[CZ]