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[DaCrytter 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Stealt Eagle @ Mar. 26 2002,14:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But what if u get blown right into the rotor that just blew off, huh??<span id='postcolor'>

Very unlikely. The rotors will still be spinning at whatever ridiculous RPM, their momentum will carry them far away from the helecopter in a horizontal direction. The ejector seats then fire vertically upwards. Of course, if one or more of the charges fails, then you will still get sliced like a salami sausage.

[Stealt Eagle 1]

Dave, almost everybody writing a lot in that IRC channel are or have been moderators

[Guest]

Stealt Eagle: name them..

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My personal opinion:

I think all sides owe each other an apology to some degree and everyone's status should go back to the way it was before this whole thing started. Then, forget this ever occurred.<span id='postcolor'>

If you can tell me what I've actually done wrong I will gladly apologuise.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,15:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you can tell me what I've actually done wrong I will gladly apologuise.<span id='postcolor'>

I'm not interested in judging anyone specifically. I don't know. Seems everyone was overly uptight and making a mountain out of a molehill. Lots of harsh words and responses all around.

Gosh, this would make a good soap!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 26 2002,14:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know. Seems everyone was overly uptight and making a mountain out of a molehill. Lots of harsh words and responses all around.<span id='postcolor'>

This is debateably true. It is also fairly true that alot of the anti-moderation, anti-authority members of this forum came out of the woodwork to throw their critisizm at us.

The real problem on this forum is it lacks OFP fans. People like BlackOps or Monkey Liberation front have no real interest in OFP. I have heard them many times talk about how "OFP needs a new engine" and how it "sux". If people were true fans then they would spend their freetime playing OFP instead of arguing over inconsiquential forum differences.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is also fairly true that alot of the anti-moderation, anti-authority members of this forum came out of the woodwork to throw their critisizm at us.<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe but, I mean, you gotta admit, there was a case presented potentially showing certain behavior that might not be appropriate for a moderator of this forum. I'm trying not to take sides in this.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The real problem on this forum is it lacks OFP fans. People like BlackOps or Monkey Liberation front have no real interest in OFP. I have heard them many times talk about how "OFP needs a new engine" and how it "sux". If people were true fans then they would spend their freetime playing OFP instead of arguing over inconsiquential forum differences.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't know. There are lots of whiners in this and every other forum. I can't say they didn't contribute. Even raising a debate can be a form of contribution.

I mostly recall their OFFTOPIC posts. I think they added a certain variety to the forums.

On the other hand, rules have to be set.

I've been good.

[KingBeast 0]

You havent been good avonlady, you told an Irish Joke. >:|

raaaar

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe but, I mean, you gotta admit, there was a case presented potentially showing certain behavior that might not be appropriate for a moderator of this forum. I'm trying not to take sides in this.<span id='postcolor'>

What behaviour IS appropriate for a moderator? If I dont pay parking tickets should I expect polls about my behaviour to crop up? Where does my private life (away from the forum) become everyone's business? Where does it say in the forum rules that moderators should be spy'd upon? Can I expect people to start using ICQ hacks to monitor my conversations? The only conspiracy on this forum is the anti-moderator movement

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know. There are lots of whiners in this and every other forum. I can't say they didn't contribute. Even raising a debate can be a form of contribution.<span id='postcolor'>

The original and best OFP forums were, and always will be coldwar. nearly 2 years ago when people were patiently waiting for OFP the threads were actually about OFP, what it was to contain, how it would play etc, people were GENERALLY excited by OFP and it's prospects. Now every other thread is a complaint about oxygen, a country bash, spam etc. In the old days BIS were more willing to ask and to listern because they knew they would get sensibles questions and answers. Now, I think they're afraid to ask because they will get harrassed and verbally abused. Marvelous

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've been good. <span id='postcolor'>

Lies!

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ Mar. 26 2002,16:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You havent been good avonlady, you told an Irish Joke.  >:|<span id='postcolor'>

LOL! As I mentioned elsewhere, it was told by an Irishman to other Irishman and they all had a good laugh.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,15:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is debateably true. It is also fairly true that alot of the anti-moderation, anti-authority members of this forum came out of the woodwork to throw their critisizm at us.<span id='postcolor'>

This has nothing to do with anti-moderation and anti-authority. This has everything to do with the banning of Black Op because of personal disliking. You other moderators have guilt by association since you are backing him up. If you check the threads you will see that an absolute majority of posters think that the moderators actions were highly inappropriate.

I have had absolutly nothing against the moderators of this forum until yesteday. Today, after your postings, placebo is the only one I still have in high regard.

[Stealt Eagle 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,15:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What behaviour IS appropriate for a moderator? If I dont pay parking tickets should I expect polls about my behaviour to crop up? Where does my private life (away from the forum) become everyone's business? Where does it say in the forum rules that moderators should be spy'd upon? Can I expect people to start using ICQ hacks to monitor my conversations? The only conspiracy on this forum is the anti-moderator movement <span id='postcolor'>

I think ur starting to grow a little paranoid, there never have been any spying on u mods in the IRC, black coincidently bumped in on the channel to help Hamster with some IRC things, and the first things he saw was u telling the jokes.

And a moderator has to be one where all the other members can say, "WOW, i wanna be just like him when i grow up", if u understand what i mean

[Hilandor 1]

personally really i coudnt give a toss if u think im a good chap or not, im on this forum for my own enjoyment and mod the forum the way i see fit. and to keep in touch with a good few online friends that i met through ofp

The two things that i did wrong mate was one posted racist jokes  but no more racist that ones that were posted in this thread, and i have no problem with that  but i do apologise if they were taken from a racial point of view. Which i also did at the moment i read the screen shots of the IRC conversation.

The other thing was in a temper to make a post to Black op for with i did and then quickly changed my mind after giving a moments thot and totally edited it to something completely different, it just so happens as per usuall  someone is quick with screen shots.

[KingBeast 0]

Stealth eagle, if anyone in the world thinks:

"WOW, i wanna be just like him when i grow up"

about a moderator, then something is clearly wrong with that person

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What behaviour IS appropriate for a moderator? If I dont pay parking tickets should I expect polls about my behaviour to crop up?<span id='postcolor'>

No.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Where does my private life (away from the forum) become everyone's business?<span id='postcolor'>

If there's a conflict between what is not tolerated by moderators on a forum and how the moderators themselves behave elsewhere.

I'm not saying that's the case here but that seems to have been the point presented.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Where does it say in the forum rules that moderators should be spy'd upon? Can I expect people to start using ICQ hacks to monitor my conversations? The only conspiracy on this forum is the anti-moderator movement <span id='postcolor'>

From the screen shots I saw, I don't think any spying or hacking was involved.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The original and best OFP forums were, and always will be coldwar. nearly 2 years ago when people were patiently waiting for OFP the threads were actually about OFP, what it was to contain, how it would play etc, people were GENERALLY excited by OFP and it's prospects. Now every other thread is a complaint about oxygen, a country bash, spam etc.<span id='postcolor'>

Welcome to reality. I'm sure it happens to all products and companies. You have to admit, it's hard to gripe and whine before a product is released.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the old days BIS were more willing to ask and to listern because they knew they would get sensibles questions and answers. Now, I think they're afraid to ask because they will get harrassed and verbally abused. Marvelous <span id='postcolor'>

I see plenty of serious and informative stuff on these forums and Suma participates quite regulalry when he's not away receiving awards and wining and dining.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've been good. <span id='postcolor'>

Lies! <span id='postcolor'>

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denoir: it has EVERYTHING to do with anti-moderation. It's clear most the people on this forum feel that they dont need or what moderators and the way things are going soon this forum wont have any

Stealt Eagle: Not growing paranoid. I am paranoid. When Monkey liberation fron and black op come to the channel under different names and do nothing but idle in an attempt to catch what we say and use it against us then my opinions are justified. btw I'm still waiting for you to answer my question on the previous page.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If there's a conflict between what is not tolerated by moderators on a forum and how the moderators themselves behave elsewhere.

I'm not saying that's the case here but that seems to have been the point presented.<span id='postcolor'>

My point is simple. When I am not moderating the forum I am OFF DUTY. My actions are no one else business.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From the screen shots I saw, I don't think any spying or hacking was involved.<span id='postcolor'>

Using another alias, idling and just viewing is spying in anyones book. How would you feel if I ICQ'd you under a different name and asked questions about your private life then posted it on a forum where you are a moderator?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Welcome to reality. I'm sure it happens to all products and companies. You have to admit, it's hard to gripe and whine before a product is released.<span id='postcolor'>

Welcome to reality? WHAT? I made a simple statement about how these forums are worse than previous ones and you try to drag me into the real world

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I see plenty of serious and informative stuff on these forums and Suma participates quite regulalry when he's not away receiving awards and wining and dining. <span id='postcolor'>

Suma mainly asks questions about bugs, rarely do I see members of BIS on this forum asking people what they really want in OFP.

[ChickenHawk 0]

I'm seriously thinkin bout leaving this place...

[Major Fubar 0]

OK, last post in this topic for me....

Sorry Moderators, but like anyone in a position of power (police, politicians etc.) you can be expected to be held to a higher standard than Joe-Blow. It is not just enough that you not be racist, but you must be seen no to be racist. Hey, it's tough, but I'm sure none of you thought were running for a popularity contest when you volunteered to be moderators. I'm not saying it's OK for people to criticise and harrass you unfairly, but you should be able to keep yourselves from sinking to "their" level. I'm giving all of you the benefit of the doubt - I'm assuming you became moderators to make this site better and more enjoyable for everyone, not to satisfy some lame craving for "power" over others.

So moderators, I have one piece of sage advice for you "With great power comes great responsibility" - Spiderman

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">denoir: it has EVERYTHING to do with anti-moderation. It's clear most the people on this forum feel that they dont need or what moderators and the way things are going soon this forum wont have any  <span id='postcolor'>

Not true. I really believe that we do need moderators. Otherwise the forums would degrade to spam in all forums and it would be shit. I also believe that we need moderators that act professionally and don't take a "us agianst them" attitude that you seem to have.

The forum needs you. But you have to understand that your position is not a privilege but a responsibility. You are not the kings of the forum, you are the janitors. You have volunteerd for this job and we are very greatful for it.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is not just enough that you not be racist<span id='postcolor'>

Call me what you like but DO NOT call me a fucking racist.

[Guest]

He *isn't* calling you a racist. For god's sake, read his post. Wow, are we paranoid or what?

He said that moderators *in general* not only can't be racists but that they must not even give the apperence of being racist. Now his point being: Hil and King are probably not racists, but their mIRC conversation made them appear racists. And that was not ok.

That is all that he said. He didn't attack you in any way. Please calm down.

[Major Fubar 0]

7--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,167)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is not just enough that you not be racist<span id='postcolor'>

Why are you calling me a racist? I have never said anything racist. You are just personally attacking me for no reason. Why?<span id='postcolor'>

OK, number one, that snippet was taken totally out of context (Poor form ). If you read it properly you would have seen that I wasnt calling you racist.

Number two, I dont know you from Adam personally, Im not attcking you. Im saying that someone in a position of power needs to be careful what they say and how it is viewed. And I'm sory if this seems unfair to you, but if you are on a publicly accessible chat form like the screenshots we're taken from, usinf the same nicknames you use here, you can hardly be surprised if things you say there turn up here to haunt you.

Anyway, whatever, if you want to take snippets out of my posts to make it look like I'm attacking you thats your perogative, but I can assure you that wasn't my attention.

EDIT: OK THATS IT, IM STAYING OUT OF OFFTOPIC UNTIL THIS CLEARS UP

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Moderators, but like anyone in a position of power (police, politicians etc.) you can be expected to be held to a higher standard than Joe-Blow. It is not just enough that you not be racist, but you must be seen no to be racist.<span id='postcolor'>

MODERATORS. I am moderator along with 8 others and you are calling ALL of us racists.

I have no interest in moderating people who jump to conclusions because 3 people are in the same place at the same time, I dont want this responsability nor do I want to spend my free time being regarded as a racist. I am moving myself to member.

[Stealt Eagle 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 26 2002,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stealt Eagle: Not growing paranoid. I am paranoid. When Monkey liberation fron and black op come to the channel under different names and do nothing but idle in an attempt to catch what we say and use it against us then my opinions are justified. btw I'm still waiting for you to answer my question on the previous page.<span id='postcolor'>

If u knew Black Op a bit better u would know that the only place he uses the nick black op is on this forum. So no spying there. Don't know bout MLF, didn't know him very well.