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This may have been asked before, but are there any plans to include the French Army of this period of this as well? I know we have Operation Frenchpoint, but they're more focused toward the contemporary French Military so I'm just wondering if you have had any plans to include them and even if they were no longer under NATO command at this point, France probably would've still gotten involved if Soviet tanks started to roll through the Fulda Gap.

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note - due to Arma3 "contest" i would like to inform, that i am NO LONGER allowing to use anything i made in Arma3 to "contest", so, i am sorry to those who already get my permissions for Arma3 stuff in past weeks/months, i am sorry, but situation changed due to money-prize given by BIS for addons in Arma3 (look at Arma3 contest issue)

i am sorry to take back permissions, but i have to due to financial reasons behind this , any elements of MLODs released in past (soldiers, weapons, vehicles) have to be regretfully taken only for use in Arma2 , Arma1 , but NOT Arma3 which as it looks is different game than were Arma1, Arma2 and OFP,

500 000 Euros for "best mod" seems something that never happened in community in past when we all were doing it for fun, and noone was judging others for lacks (as we are hobbysts we were doing what we could in our free time after jobs, shools, studies, now it seems it becomes "a job, a race")

i will not agree to any elements made by me in Arma3 , because half milion is something which lots of people will be racing, including teams (than % agreements in case of win and legal agreements in case of win etc)

i was some days not looking at forum, but today when i looked i have seen something which i couldn't believe my eyes see, but it seems it is not due to my lacks in English language (and misunderstandings of English language texts) nor fantasy , seems like now we race and competee for money like in corporations-jobs :( good bye Operation Flashpoint , good morning Hudsucker Proxy, half milion Euro (750 000 USD) awaits ?

okay, so now i am hiring people on 5% agreements ?

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While it's a shame you're pulling your addons from public use. (They served us well!) Please remember the winner of best addon must submit his/her own work. IF anyone of it is traced back to you he/she is disqualified and doesn't get a cent. Also no one wins 500K. Best addon wins 50K. Highest prize is for a total modification which is 200K

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i am not pulling from Arma2, just from Arma3 and than do Arma3 modding only due to financial reasons (as BIS kills comunity making busines from this what used to be hobby, in business there is competition, in hobby there is friendship, business is always opposite to hobby, like capitalism is opposite to socialism)

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People can't use your work in any ArmA 3 submission anyways, so you are "pulling" them for no reason.

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not exactly, in some months several people asked and get from me MLODs, configs, model.cfg, help, tutorials via Skype and etc. for Arma3,

i already gave to some mods permission, last time 3 days ago i gave sevaral P85 cars, weapons, apcs to guys who are from Brasil and want to make Brasilian army mod, week ago i gave permission to someone who wanted to port other things etc. so it is not that in Arma3 my content would not been present , if not this ... contest, you would see several addons in which for example my rifles are used or my apc or my car but with other texture etc.

idea with this contest is very spoiling and dividing, i hope it is just idea and will be changed, otherwise all team-work can split apart cause people will start argue "i did 5% not 2% of this mod" or "no, you did 10% not 20% of this mod" etc.

so to be precise my elements cannot be in CONTESTED part, if someone DOESN'T chase in contest but do it with no profit idea - all is OKAY :)

so i precise now

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idea with this contest is very spoiling and dividing

The only one doing any spoiling or dividng is you - pulling all your addons and rights because of some percieved wrong-doing...

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configs, model.cfg, help, tutorials via Skype and etc. for Arma3

You can't assert copyright over someone else's work because you taught them how to make it, nor can you assert copyright over configuration files.

so to be precise my elements cannot be in CONTESTED part, if someone DOESN'T chase in contest but do it with no profit idea - all is OKAY

The contest rules forbid this anyways, and it a moot point.

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Like others said, nobody can submit work to the competition if it has content that isnt their's.

Also you have given me a lot of stuff, which I am very thankfull for, but I have spent countless hours on modifying those models. You can't just tell me I have to throw out hours of my own work because of a competition that has nothing to do with me or your original work.

I'm not submitting anything to that arma 3 contest.

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There are a very vocal minority of people who are acting like children about the whole thing and think their work will be stolen and that modding should stay free.

Not realizing that with 500,000 euros at stake meaning I can guarantee there would be a myriad of checks and balances, and that the contest is completely optional, and that there are only 7 possible winning entries. Nobody is going to steal your work, and if they do they'll be brought down.

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not this is issue - issue will be total lack of help - cause rats race for money makes you must destroy competitiors to get money, so any helf and know-how sharing gonna end, also hobbystic attitude gonna end cause mainstream goal is not "doing stuff from hearth" but it is offtopic here, i was and i will be always for free hobby, not connected with money, otherwise it is business and in business you not do what you love but what client expects to buy , i do not want offtop here, i just always hated competition and rats race, i prefer friendly cooperation and common hobby for fun, not rats race for fortune, also it shows small "after job" hobbysts that their work is "worse" than "profesional teams" , Operation Flashpoint was built by hundreds of small addons made for fun by "afternoon modelers who share for fun", i miss OFP scene so much

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...issue will be total lack of help......i was and i will be always for free hobby...i prefer friendly cooperation and common hobby for fun...

Well, then don't partake in the contest, and keep helping people in the forums. Problem solved.

Abs

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Vilas, you just said you are worried people are going to stop helping each other and now you're "pulling" your work? You are contributing to the situation you just mentioned!

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if someone asks you how to do something and later he want to sell it than how you act ?

for free modding you can help, cause someone is doing for hobby and fun, but not when it is business, in busines you destroy competitor not help him, in hobby you have friends with which you share fun and free time hobby, those are 2 different opposite situations,

another situation is that this comunity was made of hundreds of "afterwork, afternoon" hobbysts, now seem that they see middle finger, cause only strong team of profesionals can win, so what to say to those small guys ? "your addons are not worthy?"

or other thing - community here and "oldschool boys" cooperate, help each other and now imagine on of us wins fortune on it , so .... someone gonna hunt me cause he helped with doing config or i hunt guy cause i donated rifle ?

how for example i could put P85 to contest when lots of people helped me with configs ?

or how can i put other addon in which others helped ? so it means that for example our "oldschool" moders stuff is disconected because we helped each other and have each others content ? so it is for teams/individuals that never shared or newcomers professionals who seen "money, prize" banner ?

it gonna kill coopeation soul,

competition is always opposite to cooperation and friendship, especially when fortune is involved , if there was 500 usd for "addon of the month" i would say "bravo bis" , but as i said , it is offtopic here,

small money that dozens of people can win in year = nice prize , huge money for one person/team is not the same

soul of Operation Flaspoint comunity was different, but i do not want to do offtopic here cause topic for this is different , simply i do not like this idea of huge money for one person/team while all (even poor quality) addons made by "afternoon after job hobbysts" are precious for fun sake

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I'd wish that person good luck.

And I'm wishing you good luck...it's your party, and you can cry if you want to.

Abs

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if someone asks you how to do something and later he want to sell it than how you act ?

What does it matter to you what someone wants to do with their project? It's not yours and you have no say what they do with it. It's not like mods with commercial goals don't already exist.

community here and "oldschool boys" cooperate, help each other and now imagine on of us wins fortune on it , so .... someone gonna hunt me cause he helped with doing config or i hunt guy cause i donated rifle ?

how for example i could put P85 to contest when lots of people helped me with configs ?

Once again, helping someone make something doesn't mean you're entitled to their work; you have a disturbed notion of copyright assignment and derivative work.

Also, for the second time, no ones going to "hunt" you, if someone uses someone else's work the project gets disqualified and no one gets any money. What part of it's against the rules do you not understand?

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It's not like mods with commercial goals don't already exist.

It's not like it's a good thing though.

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Calm down guys.

If Vilas no longer wants his models to be used in A3, that's his right and his business.

As his his opinion on the contest.

He shared like a million things with the community already.

btw: contrary to common opinion constantly repeated here, third party work IS allowed for contest entrants.

Just not Vilas' anymore, or that of any other author without their permission.

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Third party is only allowed if the author says it is. All Vilas had to do is say "nobody can use my work for a3 contest".

He can say people can't use his work all he wants, but he can't stop people. You gave permissions, you can't just revoke them all willy nilly.

Plus the fact that Vilas fails to mention is that some of his work borrows from other authors as well. His AKs for example are built using BIS textures.

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Howdy!

After reading this shoking news and the discussion here, I'd like to add my two cents as well. I admit that I can fully understand what Vilas fears might happen, but to be honest I think that this won't be the case. In fact, I think this competition will most likely be dominated by mods like "A.C.E." or RHS or whatever, and these teams do have their own let's call it "supply line" of genuine 3d modellers, scripters, you name it. I am certain that there won't be any danger of somebody just stealing Vilas' work like it happened in this zombie mod... Vilas, what IS happening however, is something that I find very sad, as this action is ultimately punishing everybody who is a true fan of your work, by closing down the chance to see your addons in A3. I hope this doesn't read in a insulting way, it is definiatly not meant as such. But to make it short, I agree with many guys here that the only one here who is damaging a very broad fanbase (not the BI one but YOUR own fanbase) is you. Trust me, most of the addon makers here won't change their attitude and will continue to view it as their hobby and nothing else. Most of them won't even think of submiting an addon to the competition (which I find ridiciolous by the way). Please, Vilas, please rethink this decision, as the only ones suffering because of that are your fans. Oh and btw: A BI game without your addons, just isn't a game worth playing. <-Period.

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Plus the fact that Vilas fails to mention is that some of his work borrows from other authors as well. His AKs for example are built using BIS textures.

And that's the point! It's a legal question only. Until now the all thing is a mess, but now BIS is willing to spend money to clarify it once at all.... cause nobody, especially not BIS would spend 500.000 € just for fun.

By completing and confirming the registration the Participant:

irrevocably and unconditionally grants to Organizer, on a royalty-free and non-exclusive basis, a perpetual, irrevocable, transferable, assignable, sublicensable, worldwide license to run, use, copy, reproduce, publish, distribute, perform, display, exhibit, demonstrate, edit, modify, adapt, and create derivative works from, each of his/her entries in this Contest, whether for purposes related to this Contest or otherwise, and whether via the Internet, electronic, digital, broadcast, theatrical, print, or any other communications media now known or hereafter developed, and in each case free of any and all restrictions and limitations whatsoever (except as imposed by law).

source

€ 500.000 for the community work of decade incl. legal compliance? Well, not too bad, isn't it?

Take care of your intellectual property, cause the rat race already started and once you just participate in this contest you lose your intellectual property irrevocably, even if you don't win a single cent!

It's astonishing that obviously Vilas is the only one who realized that until now.

my2cent, and now you can tar and feather me ;)

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thats why i prefer to stay away from money in hobby and not support any rats race things in hobby , rather stay with Arma2 doing P85 updates in future for Arma2 without going on ground of Arma3 and instead of spending time on import to A3 i would rather do new stuff for A2

but when i was releasing MLODs i never thought they could have other uses than Arma2 military (back than i even didnt know about dayzs)

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Like others said, nobody can submit work to the competition if it has content that isnt their's.

How is this enforced, though?

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VILAS is 100% f***ing right! Never let anybody use your stuff, if there is money to earn, they will try to cheat you like hell!

BIS destroyed the community and/or A3 in a very bad way... What a shame.

Theres is one modder or team the "best of the best of the best"? And the rest ist shit? Not worthy that rudiculous high prize?

Come on, this must be a joke...

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Take care of your intellectual property, cause the rat race already started and once you just participate in this contest you lose your intellectual property irrevocably, even if you don't win a single cent!

It's astonishing that obviously Vilas is the only one who realized that until now.

my2cent, and now you can tar and feather me ;)

That isn't what that means at all. It just means once you submit it to the contest you can't unsubmit it. Which makes sense because BI is probably going to tweet/blog/make press relases about the the mods in the contest and include demos, download links, videos, screenshots, etc of the mod, be it images or videos made by the author, or by BI themselves.

If that still doesn't get you take take off your tin foil hate there's this:

Shall the quality of the Entry allow it and shall the Organizer be interested in utilizing of the complete execution of the Entry for commercial purposes, the Organizer will offer the Participant conclusion of a relevant contract (i.e. publishing agreement).

iTL;DR they can't money off your mod without an agreement.

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