Whats the difference between ak47 and ak74

[SPAEM 3]

does the ak47 have a longer range accuracy or stronger than the ak74

or is the ak74 just the best gun compared to the ak47

[ralphwiggum 6]

AFAIK AK74 is similar to AK47 except that 74 uses smaller rounds, thus less recoil

[Joe Porta 0]

In the game i have found that the AK-74 is more accurate at the ranges of 300+m than the AK-47.

[SPAEM 3]

ah what about the ak47 cz

and the ak74su

[InRange 1]

The only differences between the various "AK" guns are the way they look I think.

AK47: we all know how it looks.

AK74: Kinda looks like AK47 only with a longer muzzle and thus probably better accuracy

AK74 SU: short version of AK74, probably less accurate

AK47 CZ: Czeckoslovakian version of the AK47. Looks different (slighty darker color and different shape). I guess it's about as accurate as a standard AK47.

[SPAEM 3]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (InRange @ Mar. 19 2002,22:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only differences between the various "AK" guns are the way they look I think.

AK47: we all know how it looks.

AK74: Kinda looks like AK47 only with a longer muzzle and thus probably better accuracy

AK74 SU: short version of AK74, probably less accurate

AK47 CZ: Czeckoslovakian version of the AK47. Looks different (slighty darker color and different shape). I guess it's about as accurate as a standard AK47.<span id='postcolor'>

ya thats what im looking for

[Guest]

There is actually no AK-74 SU. What BIS meant was AKS-74U. For all your Kalashnikov needs check out:

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/

By the way, for a really wierd Kalashnikov (experimental from 1960) check out:

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka174.html

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AK74: Kinda looks like AK47 only with a longer muzzle and thus probably better accuracy<span id='postcolor'>

Hmmm. I think you are refering to the flash supressor when you say "longer muzzle". The flash supressor does not make the weapon more accurate, it just 'hides' the flash.

Plus: the AK-74 has synthetic furniture vs. the AKM/AK-47's wood furniture. This gives it a brighter more 'orange' look over the AKM/AK-47 types. The magazine is also plastic instead of the older metal magazine on the AKM/AK-47.

Also: The 5.45x39mm Russian round in the AK-74 has a flatter trajectory over the 7.62x39mm Russian round from the older AKM/AK-47's. I don't know if this implemented in OFP though, but it should be

Tyler

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 19 2002,23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, for a really wierd Kalashnikov (experimental from 1960) check out:

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka174.html<span id='postcolor'>

Lol that thing needs Viagra

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Mar. 20 2002,00:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmm. I think you are refering to the flash supressor when you say "longer muzzle". The flash supressor does not make the weapon more accurate, it just 'hides' the flash.<span id='postcolor'>

Of course it does. As does a silencer. You prolong the muzzle and by that you get a more accurate weapon (i.e better aim).

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 20 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Mar. 20 2002,003)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmm. I think you are refering to the flash supressor when you say "longer muzzle". The flash supressor does not make the weapon more accurate, it just 'hides' the flash.<span id='postcolor'>

Of course it does. As does a silencer. You prolong the muzzle and by that you get a more accurate weapon (i.e better aim).<span id='postcolor'>

Sorry, that's wrong. The most accurate type of muzzle is one with a target crown, i.e. a crown that is recessed at a 11 degree angle (concave).

Anything else will adversely affect accuracy, because the propellant gases will escape in an uneven pattern, which disturbs the bullet's trajectory as it leaves the barrel. That applies to flash hiders as well as suppressor (silencer is a misnomer).

Also note that the bullet makes no contact with either the flash hider or the baffles in a suppressor, so you are not extending the length of the barrel in any way as far as internal ballistics are concerned.

[timmy 0]

and also a silencer or supressor, slows the bullet down to subsonic speeds, so it will not produce a loud sonic boom, thus making the bullet less accurate and less powerful.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

The most accurate type of muzzle is one with a target crown, i.e. a crown that is recessed at a 11 degree angle (concave).

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Also note that the bullet makes no contact with either the flash hider or the baffles in a suppressor, so you are not extending the length of the barrel in any way as far as internal ballistics are concerned.

<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, all that is correct. What I said, if you read my post, was about aiming, not the internal ballistics. And if it's a small weapon and a large supressor/flash hider it makes all the difference. I have done some targetshooting with a small .32 ACP Walther (PPK/S) with and without a large Brügger & Thomet silencer (and yes, supressors are legal in Sweden, if you have a permitt). It is a huge difference. I scored much better with the supressor - but again that is a question of aiming and not internal accuracy. If the suppressor uses wipes, it could deminish the precision, but modern supressors don't. The supressor also protects the muzzle from the damage of the noise.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (timmy @ Mar. 20 2002,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and also a silencer or supressor, slows the bullet down to subsonic speeds, so it will not produce a loud sonic boom, thus making the bullet less accurate and  less powerful.<span id='postcolor'>

Not really. If you use supersonic ammo, you can't avoid the sonic boom, but you get rid of the sound of the expanding gas. The results depend also very much on the caliber of the weapon.

The supressor doesn't slow down the bullet, it just gives more space for the gas to expand (it has a much larger volume then the barrel.

Or, I should revise that statement. The supressor *does* actually slow down the bullet since it increases the air resistance at the muzzle. This is however not relevant - supersonic bullets come out supersonic.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (timmy @ Mar. 20 2002,09:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and also a silencer or supressor, slows the bullet down to subsonic speeds, so it will not produce a loud sonic boom, thus making the bullet less accurate and  less powerful.<span id='postcolor'>

A subsonic bullet is actualy more accurate. The only caveat is that a bullet that starts out supersonic will loose a substantial amount of accuracy during the transsonic stage, when it slows down to subsonic speeds.

Furthermore, silencers/suppressors don't slow down the bullet at all, they simply don't accelerate it further, unlike the enclosed pressure vessel of the barrel.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 20 2002,09:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><Snip>

Yes, all that is correct. What I said, if you read my post, was about aiming, not the internal ballistics. And if it's a small weapon and a large supressor/flash hider it makes all the difference. I have done some targetshooting with a small .32 ACP Walther (PPK/S) with and without a large Brügger & Thomet silencer (and yes, supressors are legal in Sweden, if you have a permitt). It is a huge difference. I scored much better with the supressor - but again that is a question of aiming and not internal accuracy. If the suppressor uses wipes, it could deminish the precision, but modern supressors don't. The supressor also protects the muzzle from the damage of the noise.<span id='postcolor'>

OK, I get it. You are talking about what is known as the sight radius. You are correct in that a longer sight radius does help with aiming.

But your earlier statement assumes that the sights are mounted on the flash hider or suppressor, and I don't know of a single firearm where that is the case, they are always mounted on the top of the slide/frame/upper receiver, depending on the type of firearm. Even the H&K MP5SD with its integral non-removeable suppressor doesn't mount the front sight on the suppressor itself.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Mar. 20 2002,02:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Furthermore, silencers/suppressors don't slow down the bullet at all, they simply don't accelerate it further, unlike the enclosed pressure vessel of the barrel.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, they do actually, but not much. The pressure within the suppressor is about 10-100 times smaller then in the barrel, but still not as low as outside of the gun. This pressure gives rise to an air resistance, but as I said, it doesn't imact the bullet speed much. Supersonic rounds are still supersonic.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Mar. 20 2002,02:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But your earlier statement assumes that the sights are mounted on the flash hider or suppressor, and I don't know of a single firearm where that is the case, they are always mounted on the top of the slide/frame/upper receiver, depending on the type of firearm. Even the H&K MP5SD with its integral non-removeable suppressor doesn't mount the front sight on the suppressor itself.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, you are probably right. On an assult rifle it doesn't matter. The extension that the flash suppressor brings is not relevant.

I wasn't assuming that the sights were mounted on the flash suppressor, but assuming that you see things around and beyond the sights. I know for instance when I did my military service we used AK5 assult rifles with bayonets mounted. It was easier to aim, since you actually saw the bayonet sticking out (and pointing in the right direction) when you used the iron-sights.

[IceFire 0]

????

Where do all you people get your information about all this stuff??

That's cool!

[Mister Frag 0]

The remaining pressure is negligible, since the baffles and chambers inside the suppressor are designed to divert the gases and pressure.

Here is a picture of an assault rifle (a Sako M95) being fired with a suppressor:

Notice how the gases slowly vent out of the front of the suppressor, rather than being blasted out like they ordinarily would. The pressure is simply not enough to make any measurable difference in bullet velocity.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Mar. 20 2002,10:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">????

Where do all you people get your information about all this stuff??

That's cool!<span id='postcolor'>

I've been shooting longer than most of you guys have been on this planet -- I'm an old fart.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Mar. 20 2002,03:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">????

Where do all you people get your information about all this stuff??

That's cool!<span id='postcolor'>

I really know shit about small firearms besides the basics. I have had my license for about a year. I guess I learnd the most in the military service and from other fellow shooters in my club.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only caveat is that a bullet that starts out supersonic will loose a substantial amount of accuracy during the transsonic stage, when it slows down to subsonic speeds.

<span id='postcolor'>

Hence: Boat tailed bullets. Not a fix but better off at long ranges than a flat based bullet.

(I know you know this Mr. Frag, it's just for others on this forum who might not know )

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anything else will adversely affect accuracy, because the propellant gases will escape in an uneven pattern, which disturbs the bullet's trajectory as it leaves the barrel. That applies to flash hiders as well as suppressor<span id='postcolor'>

Does the same apply to a muzzle brake?...Just curious.

Tyler

[Mister Frag 0]

It applies especially to muzzle brakes, because they vent the gases in an uneven pattern.

All of the muzzle brakes I've seen vent equal amounts of gases to the side, but they usually vent more gases to the top than the bottom to help control muzzle climb.

[Tor 0]

So a suppressor doesn't slow the bullet down? Now I am confused.

Then how comes an unsuppressed weapon has a longer range and more penetration power than a suppressed?