Revert/resume snafu

[alpharesearch 10]

the whole system is ambiguous...

inside the mission the load button is called REVERT

outside it is RESUME... and if you click REVERT all you save games are gone...

A normal load a save system like all the other games would have been good in the new next generation game. OFP had the same messed up system... I was hoping for something better

Regards,

Markus

[THEBLITZ6794 10]

at least u can revert. i had a cod save where a nade was 2 seconds from blowing me up and i couldnt jst revert to the beginning...

[mr_centipede 1]

One thing is, this is not like all other games. Secondly, what is ambigious? I think its self explanatory. REVERT is well, revert back your mission from where you want to revert to, and all your save AFTER the revert point will be lost. RESUME is, continue playing when you last step out from the mission. Thats why I like the autosave feature when you quit the mission. You will resume from that point.

Personally I like the system very much. give you a lot of hard thinking about that save button and what you're going to do ingame.

But I can understand some people dont like it. People usually are quite resistant to change/refuse to change. Just like you would want the save system to be like in other game, and I like the system the way it is...

[frederf 0]

The restart, revert, resume system is perfectly natural. It only requires that you have an understanding of the vocabulary involved. Reverting back to the 1st or 2nd mission in a nearly completed campaign can be frustrating but it is only the fault of the player that did not consult his dictionary first.

There are some minor changes that might be nice, like having a countdown, pause, or yes/no on mission-prompted autosaves, dual autosaves, and user save file naming.

[alpharesearch 10]

Hello Mr_Centipede and Frederf,

if the system would be consisted I would not write about it here... but the REVERT in main menu (if no mission is active) and on the end of the mission are not the same like the REVERT in side the game menu.

Inside the game menu you press SAVE... and later if you want to go back to some saved game you press REVERT, to load your saved game...(I would call this LOAD).

However, if you fail the mission and you press REVERT on the end screen - it is the revert you describe, it deletes all your save games and starts your from the beginning... I would call this RESTART

Because of this I save my Arma 2 save game folder every 30min... in this case I can restore at least a little bit.

Regards,

Markus Schulz

PS: I found if I press ESC twice on the failed end mission screen I can RESUME from the main menu without losing hours of progress.

PPS: I guess BIS is using REVERT in three different places different... and this is not natural to me. For BIS, REVERT has the meaning of LOAD SAVE GAME, RESTART THIS MISSION FROM SCRATCH and REVERT THE CHAMPAGNE TO THIS POINT. I would use LOAD, RESTART, REVERT... if we have all the different words we should use them.

[frederf 0]

The confusion comes from the fact that the savegame space has 2 distinct spheres: campaign and mission.

When you are in a campaign with missions:

Mission 1

Mission 2

Mission 3

Mission 4

Mission 5

And you revert to Mission 3 you are reverting in the sphere of campaign progress.

If you are in a mission and you have:

In-Mission Save A

In-Mission Save B

In-Mission Save C

In-Mission Save D

In-Mission Save E

Then reverting to save game C is reverting in the sphere of mission progress.

Revert is not Load. Revert is "Load and delete progress after this load." This vocabulary distinction is important not to confuse people who would be blindsided by a load that is also deleting things if it were to be labeled "Load."

When you press "Revert" after a mission you are in the campaign save sphere, not the mission sphere. The mission is over (mid-mission saves are now meaningless) and you are in the same space as if you were at the campaign-mission select screen. Reverting to a mission when in the campaign save sphere means starting that mission from the beginning.

However if you have failed a mission, you are in the debriefing phase, which is still technically part of the mission and so you are in the mission save sphere. If you shoot Stykes for example and the mission fails, you press revert, you do not restart the mission but are presenting with mission-sphere states to revert to.

I can tell you from experience that I've failed missions (debriefing phase) and reverted back to my mid-mission state plenty of times without incident.

Edited July 15, 2009 by Frederf