Plane transport needed!

[Darkhawk 0]

Do you know the landing space needed?

[madmike 0]

I would love a herc to dress up the airports. Also in reality there would probably be one landing per day to drop of supplies. The airports look crap dressed with a few helis and A10s, they need a herc to make them look important.

Also its pretty stupid having to parachute out of a helicopter all the time.

I wouldnt want the player to be able to fly the thing, just to ride in it

[Darkhawk 0]

0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Mar. 29 2002,190)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hercules arrives with a tank ?  Hercules cannot lift off with a tank even if it tried.  As far as I know the C-5 Galaxy (which I don't think was in service in '85 - if it was, correct me) is the only plane that can transport an MBT, and it can only do so one at a time.  70-ton tank is heavier than you think.

Dude you have no idea what you're talking about.

Konyak 2, if you keep flying in any direction, you'll simply fly over the ocean.  It will loop and loop, though a sense of distance is kept between you and the island.  So if you fly for 10 minutes away from the island, it will take you another 10 minutes to get back.

I think it would be a good idea to perhaps allow transporting between the islands.  Maybe place them 20 kilometers away from each other.  So if you were flying towards the other island, then halfway there you'd get the "LOADING" screen, while the next island loads.  It only takes a few seconds, so I don't see the big deal, but it would be great launching airstrikes from one island to another.<span id='postcolor'>

Congradulations its a M551 Sheridan  

The C-5A enterd service in 1970

The C-141 starlifter enterd service in 1964

Also the C-130 fully loaded needs 2020ft to stop! if you do the math An M1A1 is 32ft 2020/32=63.125 tanks to come to a complete stop

[rdfox 0]

Ugh, the Sheridan. Nasty little hunka crap--the Army admits that the only really *useful* service it's given us is providing a chassis for the visually-modified vehicles the OPFOR uses at Fort Irwin...

For the record, the An-124 is the Russian equivalent to the C-5, while the new C-17 is supposed to be capable of hauling a fully-loaded M1A2, just like the Galaxy, but with the short-field capabilities of the C-130. While I don't doubt it can carry an Abrams, being able to do so on three thousand feet of runway? THAT I'll believe only when I see it...

RDF

[Wadi 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Mar. 29 2002,19:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hold one of the airports ?  There's only one airport on each island genius, so use a singular instead of plural next time.

And where exactly does this Hercules lift off from if you're guarding the only airport on the island ?  

Hercules arrives with a tank ?  Hercules cannot lift off with a tank even if it tried.  As far as I know the C-5 Galaxy (which I don't think was in service in '85 - if it was, correct me) is the only plane that can transport an MBT, and it can only do so one at a time.  70-ton tank is heavier than you think.

Dude you have no idea what you're talking about.

Konyak 2, if you keep flying in any direction, you'll simply fly over the ocean.  It will loop and loop, though a sense of distance is kept between you and the island.  So if you fly for 10 minutes away from the island, it will take you another 10 minutes to get back.

I think it would be a good idea to perhaps allow transporting between the islands.  Maybe place them 20 kilometers away from each other.  So if you were flying towards the other island, then halfway there you'd get the "LOADING" screen, while the next island loads.  It only takes a few seconds, so I don't see the big deal, but it would be great launching airstrikes from one island to another.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, so-ree for bad grammar. Where would the herc take off from? Just start it off as "flying".

Maybe I was wrong about the tank, but you could still get an M113 or a jeep with MG in a herc.

[madmike 0]

You could say "where can the A10 land once it has taken off", see but you dont, why???

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmike @ Mar. 29 2002,23:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would love a herc to dress up the airports. Also in reality there would probably be one landing per day to drop of supplies. The airports look crap dressed with a few helis and A10s, they need a herc to make them look important.

Also its pretty stupid having to parachute out of a helicopter all the time.

I wouldnt want the player to be able to fly the thing, just to ride in it<span id='postcolor'>

Agree with you 100%

And I rekon it would even be ok to fly...possably a bit big. The runway lengths are ok I believe...even so there is plenty of run-off space if needed and if you wanted to keep onto the tarmac (asphault if you are American) you might be able to use rerto boosters for take off and parachutes for braking on landing...

Jubs

[USSoldier11B 0]

I've heard lots of argument about making a C-130, but have not even heard a rumor of action. Just like people were trying to shoot down making a Barret, I believe someone will make one anyway, obviously producing a working vehicle is much more work than producing a light weapon, but hey, since I'm just a neophite and don't know how to do it myself, I will continue to advocate it. Talked to a dude at airborne school once who was in an airborne field artillery unit. He said almost everytime they dropped in heavy equipment that it broke. About airlifting an MBT. I meant MBT's that were in service in '85. An M1 is much larger than a Sheridan. Rd Fox is right, the Sheridan is visually modified at the NTC(armor) and also JRTC(infantry and SOCOM) to simulate a Russian T-55. Got a JRTC rotation in June, yuck!!!!

[Deadman 0]

in ofp you could drop from 100 feet or less even if you good at flying

[§nake 0]

some of the things you've gotta keep in mind on the C-130, this is a beast, in all it's glory. It's not as long as you would think.. nor is it as small... last July at my local airshow... a single blade on the prop was about 8 feet tall and about 2 1/2 feet wide, and about half a foot thick... now take that times 4, times 4.... thats a lot of thrust behind em. Keep that in mind.. a C-130 can do a vertical rush strait up, the thing has the power when empty.

I'd still like to see the KA-60 Kasatka indoced into the OFP Add-Ons

[Deadman 0]

i never new they could go straight up it would be fun to be in the bay

[advocatexxx 0]

he meant straight up as in high climb rate.  It cannot go up at a 90 degree vertical angle because it would stall.

Madmike, A-10s are ground assault planes. They take off, fight, and return.  C-130s are transport planes, which are used to transport units from one airbase to another.  Yes they are used to drop para troops and light vehicles like HMMVVs and such, but for Christ's sake that's not a neccessity in OF at all.  A good driver can cross the entire Malden island in less than 8 minutes.  The idea of dropping vehicles over field is totally pointless.  Oh yea, let the enemy see what vehicles you're dropping into the position.

People often think these islands are huge battlefields, but they're not.  This game has earned its ranks for its awesome realism.  Trust me, in real life C-130s would never be used on such tiny islands to drop off troops and such.  There are roads, use them.

Maybe they could modify the Chinook to transport Jeeps and HMMVVEs, but C-130 is totally unrealistic and useless.

If your requests were granted this would entirely be an air war fought with planes, choppers and such. Stop trying to make this game what it's not. Geez.

[Konyak-2 0]

What´s up your butt?  Can't you see that there´s going to be a lot of people who like this game for it´s freedom to see, try and do anything they have always wanted to see, try or do first hand?  If people want to experience being in combat, pinned down, and have a Herc swoop overhead dropping reinforcements, a vehicle or any other save-the-day scenario, they have every right to do so.  No amount of bad breath from you is going to change that, because the tools to do this will be out soon. You´ll need to realize that at worst, you´ll find yourself in MP and the host wants to play a mission that has a Herc in it. Otherwise, don't dl the model and you should be OK.

Konyak

PS. Happy Easter

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

advocatexxx is just trying to say that if BIS listenes the community and puts in all most wanted vehicles & weapons the game will lose it's balance and original idea, infantry simulator. Most people are wanting every vehicle they can think of, pointless one or not. If BIS puts the C-130 to the game I won't complain, because I got a free addon, but I'll be disappointed because BIS didn't use that time to make something that really is different like mortars. And one more thing, people want the C-130 because they want to make nice paratrooping missions, well nice idea but OFP engine will freeze if there are so many soldiers paratrooping.

[Mask 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Most people are wanting every vehicle they can think of, pointless one or not. If BIS puts the C-130 to the game I won't complain, because I got a free addon, but I'll be disappointed because BIS didn't use that time to make something that really is different like mortars. And one more thing, people want the C-130 because they want to make nice paratrooping missions, well nice idea but OFP engine will freeze if there are so many soldiers paratrooping.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah N.o.R.S.u i couldn't agree more with u, but sometimes it's nice to have new stuff in the game with which u can interact and so on. But i don't think that OFP engine or PC will freeze because of paratrooping - just depends on what PC u've got. On slow once definitely Later!

[Konyak-2 0]

N.o.R.S.u: I don't think the purpose of this thread is to force BIS to make a C-130 or any other transport. There are plenty of teams working on transports, and I have full confidence that they will deliver as good a model as BIS could. In fact, I'm advocating that people make the "useless" addons and give BIS time to work on the important things, like, as you said, mortars, netcode, engine improvments.

Konyak

[STS_SolidSnake 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd still like to see the KA-60 Kasatka indoced into the OFP Add-Ons<span id='postcolor'>

"So it is the Ka-60 Kasataka! Russian Choppers"

KA-60 Kasakta would balance the OH-58 for Ruskies

and it is so cool, spetznaz jumping out of it, that would rock!!!!!

Having a C-130 as an Airport ambience would be cool, controlling it would be cooler!

C-130

[Wadi 0]

Yeah, a C-130 to dress up airports would be cool. I think I will start a poll to see who wants one.

[Darkhawk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Mar. 31 2002,15:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">he meant straight up as in high climb rate.  It cannot go up at a 90 degree vertical angle because it would stall.

Madmike, A-10s are ground assault planes. They take off, fight, and return.  C-130s are transport planes, which are used to transport units from one airbase to another.  Yes they are used to drop para troops and light vehicles like HMMVVs and such, but for Christ's sake that's not a neccessity in OF at all.  A good driver can cross the entire Malden island in less than 8 minutes.  The idea of dropping vehicles over field is totally pointless.  Oh yea, let the enemy see what vehicles you're dropping into the position.

People often think these islands are huge battlefields, but they're not.  This game has earned its ranks for its awesome realism.  Trust me, in real life C-130s would never be used on such tiny islands to drop off troops and such.  There are roads, use them.

Maybe they could modify the Chinook to transport Jeeps and HMMVVEs, but C-130 is totally unrealistic and useless.

If your requests were granted this would entirely be an air war fought with planes, choppers and such.  Stop trying to make this game what it's not.  Geez.<span id='postcolor'>

8 minutes is a 1/3 of playing time if you can cross the island in 2 or 3 minutes then that means you dont have to sit in the back of a jeep with three other guys looking at the view!

From what I have been hearing about resistance we will need a hurc becasue it is two or three islands combined

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Mar. 31 2002,15:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Madmike, A-10s are ground assault planes. They take off, fight, and return.  C-130s are transport planes, which are used to transport units from one airbase to another.  Yes they are used to drop para troops and light vehicles like HMMVVs and such, but for Christ's sake that's not a neccessity in OF at all.  A good driver can cross the entire Malden island in less than 8 minutes.  The idea of dropping vehicles over field is totally pointless.  Oh yea, let the enemy see what vehicles you're dropping into the position.

People often think these islands are huge battlefields, but they're not.  This game has earned its ranks for its awesome realism.  Trust me, in real life C-130s would never be used on such tiny islands to drop off troops and such.  There are roads, use them.

Maybe they could modify the Chinook to transport Jeeps and HMMVVEs, but C-130 is totally unrealistic and useless.

If your requests were granted this would entirely be an air war fought with planes, choppers and such.  Stop trying to make this game what it's not.  Geez.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't think you are giving Madmike the credit he deserves.

He like me wants them to be in the game to at least act as scenery, or if controlable for para drops. I think this is perfectly viable...I'll tell you why.

Outposts such as the one at Malden and Everon would need supply drops at least once a week if not more. Which would realistically be done be C-130s. To have one sitting on the airfield at Malden or Everon would add a touch of authenticism.

Right, you are not likely to paradrop units to other parts of the same island using a Herc, that is unrealistic, as you righlty pointed out. But you might paradrop onto other islands, such as Kolgujev straight into hostile teritory (where incidently there is no airfield). Plus like Konyak has already pointed out it is great to experience first hand what it is like to be in a war zone as close as possible for those of us that can't experience it for real (or those that simply don't want to experience it for real) and have complete control over what happens...you can be the director of your own war-film.

No it is not a neccessity...but you point out ot me what exactly is a neccessity. It is far too open to interpretation to decide what is a neccessity and what is an extra...a luxury. In my opinion what ever is added now will be just that, a luxury.

Jubs

[advocatexxx 0]

If in real life those outpost islands were indeed military bases, they certainly aren't big enough to require a cargo plane dropping supplies.

If anything, supplies would be dropped off by cargo planes on to the main Islands, and then ferried to the outposts by a boat or a Chinook.

Here we face the dillemma. How do you drop off troops on Kolgujev if there is no place on it to take off ? Sure you can start out in the air, but the pilot will eventually have to land somewhere after dropping off the troops. Or should he just ditch the plane and eject as most OF players are accustomed to, due to their lazyness ? If we could travel from one island to another, as I have previously suggested, then I wouldn't oppose the C-130 as much as I do.

The conflicts that take or would take place on these islands are simply too small to make use of the C-130.

I have no problem with 3rd party developers creating these units. There is nothing I can do to stop them, nor would I want to. I'm simply opposing that BIS creates this particular unit.

I also oppose mass artillery that many have suggested. Keep in mind artillery is used to wage destruction on targets 40-60 kilometers away.

Many are forgetting these small Islands in OF are capable of simulating minor conflicts such as those in the original OF campaign, and not major wars. Peope are trying to turn this into a mass war, despite the tiny battlefield arena of these islands. It is not only unrealistic but also hardly any fun.

Small military bases that can be seen throughout the islands are enough to support Company of infantry and some light armor. Certainly not mass airfields or artillery divisions.

Suggestions to add Hueys, Gunship Planes, Cargo Planes, UH-1s, Ospreys and Nukes as we have seen in the latest posts are all bad ideas that should be ignored by BIS.

[madmike 0]

Yeah, well done advocatexxx, I know the islands are small but they have large enough airports for landing in supplies such as food and equipment.

The runway wouldnt be there just for 1 A10 because of the size of the island. Think of the cost of maintaining a runway, its use is for supplies but there are no supply aircraft.

Also as I stated before, dropping troops out of the back of coppers with parachutes on is so unrealistc.

If you say it will unbalance the game just add the russain version which is very similar(forgot its name)

ALso they would have them land on a island of that size, Argentina had a daily flight to the 1 airbase when they invaded the Falklands to drop of troops and equipment.

The herc would fly from a US airbase, land drop of supplies and maybe refuel then fly back to the US. A ship would take days to get reinforements there and a chopper doesnt have the range.

Whats wrong with that???

And when the islands get invaded by russia then the US sends in Paratroopers to take them back.

[advocatexxx 0]

Maintaining a runway is nothing more than sweeping it clean from the occasional rocks/dust that storms may top it with, and in winter, of course, shoveling the snow.  This may surprise you, but runways don't require daily "shots" of flue vaccine.

I don't mind the C-130 as a prop, i.e. LST.

Yes dropping troops out of choppers is unrealistic, if at least they swung some ropes and decended while the chopper hovers 10 feet above ground.  But honestly there isn't a need to "Paradrop".  Even the biggest island Everon is mere 12 kilometers or so in size.  Paradropping is used in real life over great distances.  Short distances (like those in OF) are carried out with choppers.  The idea is to transport mass troops over large distances in a short period of time.  Since in OF you cannot fight a war with thousands of troops, then Chinook/Mi17 groups can carry out these tasks easily.

I don't know what your point is about Argentina.  

What's wrong with a C-130 flying from US to Everon to drop supplies, refuel and go back ?  Well seeing how these islands have no natural oil supply (at least none that I know of), I cannot understand as to what the Hercules would refuel from.

Sooner or later larger, jet, cargo planes would have to land to deliver the actual fuel for other planes, choppers, tanks and cars.

Of course this game doesn't stretch this far.  It doesn't simulate these possible weekly/montly supply drops.

Would such planes fly to these islands on realistic terms ? Of course.  Would they be permanently based on these tiny airfields to conduct paratrooping over a zone 8 kilometers from the airport ? Haha, please, you're making me laugh.

Small territory such as the ones on these islands can easily be taken over in hours.  Tank groups with proper air support can sweep through Kolgujev in less than an hour in real life.

People are trying to depic mass military conflicts on an island the size of Staten Island. This is not WWIII, and these islands were made to simulate a minor military conflict. Certainly not one that would require nuclear weapons or mass paratroops being dropped.

The whole idea of paratrooping units into an area few kilometers away is laughable. That's what you have APCs/Trucks for. This may surprise you, but infantry can also run.

I hardly see the point in a cargo plane dropping troops less than 10 kilometers away, it is illlogical, it would never be done in real life, and it's certainly a good way to destroy an entire platoon of infantry with a single Stinger missile.

[madmike 0]

My point about Argentina was that the Falklands are small islands and when Argentina invaded them 20 years ago they had 1 herc land everyday to drop off supplies.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well seeing how these islands have no natural oil supply (at least none that I know of), I cannot understand as to what the Hercules would refuel from<span id='postcolor'>

If you look in my post their was the word "maybe", even though the oil would be brought in by a oil tanker, not a jet, they never transport fuel by air unless it is needed quickly.

I never have said that I want to be able to get in the herc in the airport and by dropped 10 seconds later, however the airport from another island could be used and a waypoint triggered to load the island you are going to be dropped on, just like the A10 mission.

I wouldnt want a aircraft of that size to be player controled though, just as a object that the comuter controlls

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

advocatexxx:

"If in real life those outpost islands were indeed military bases, they certainly aren't big enough to require a cargo plane dropping supplies"

If those military outpost are a long way from the US...say in the Black Sea (well thats where I like to believe they might be) and there is no US presence to speak of closeby or the mainland is far away then they would have to get supplies there somehow...ships take far too long. People do need to eat and vehicles and aircraft need fuel, so someone has to drop it off.

"Here we face the dillemma.  How do you drop off troops on Kolgujev if there is no place on it to take off ?  Sure you can start out in the air, but the pilot will eventually have to land somewhere after dropping off the troops.  Or should he just ditch the plane and eject as most OF players are accustomed to, due to their lazyness ?  If we could travel from one island to another, as I have previously suggested, then I wouldn't oppose the C-130 as much as I do"

The plane doesn't need to land...set the AI flying off in one direction after it has dropped you off and you can use you imagination as to what happens to it then. If it does ditch it'll be so far away you would see or hear it and you certainly wouldn't be affected. In any case a mission has a maximum duation...about 30minutes...maybe an hour...a C-130 isn't going ot run out of fuel that fast.

"The conflicts that take or would take place on these islands are simply too small to make use of the C-130"

Says who? I fail to see your point. It has already been pointed out that it would have uses.

"I have no problem with 3rd party developers creating these units.  There is nothing I can do to stop them, nor would I want to.  I'm simply opposing that BIS creates this particular unit"

Then what is the problem? I don't think that BIS are planning to release any more individual units to us for OFP. If they do they will be models from VBS (like the weapon pack), Independence Lost or Resistance.

"I also oppose mass artillery that many have suggested.  Keep in mind artillery is used to wage destruction on targets 40-60 kilometers away"

Yes it is daft to have these enguage a target on the same island since the target wouldn't be more than 4km away (map area 14km squared). But by the use of scripting you can have targets be seemingly hit by artillery shells...possably from another island? You can deny it wouldn't be cool to see an heavy artillery piece or MRLS fire into the sky in a mission...you needent see the impact...just imagine that it is hitting enemy forces on another island...I am assuming you have an imagination.

"Many are forgetting these small Islands in OF are capable of simulating minor conflicts such as those in the original OF campaign, and not major wars.  Peope are trying to turn this into a mass war, despite the tiny battlefield arena of these islands.  It is not only unrealistic but also hardly any fun. Small military bases that can be seen throughout the islands are enough to support Company of infantry and some light armor.  Certainly not mass airfields or artillery divisions"

Many are forgetting that is product is a game. One that will allow us to simulate almost anything so long as our imagination stretches that far.

If you want to get hung up on the fact that this is only a minor conflict on small islands then please explain to me where the MBTs keep appearing from and why...?

"Suggestions to add Hueys, Gunship Planes, Cargo Planes, UH-1s, Ospreys and Nukes as we have seen in the latest posts are all bad ideas that should be ignored by BIS"

BIS will do what they please and add into the game what they please when they please if they see fit. They don't need people to tell them what they should ignore.

Oh and a UH-1 and a Huey are the same thing. And there are nukes already in OFP (SCUD with nuclear warhead) check your beloved Flashpoint 'small scale battle on small islands' storyline    

"Maintaining a runway is nothing more than sweeping it clean from the occasional rocks/dust that storms may top it with, and in winter, of course, shoveling the snow. This may surprise you, but runways don't require daily "shots" of flue vaccine"

Maintainence is harder than you'd think. Hard surfaces are subject to numerous weathering phenomenon. Many runways find themselves subject to freeze-thaw, salt crystallisation (particularly in hot desert areas), continued pressure addition and release by the movement of aircraft weakens concrete and tarmac, insolatin weathering, chemical break down, hydration and break-up by tough vegetation pioneering cracks in the hard surface. If all this is left to go unhindered then the runway cracks and breaks up and degredation of croncrete and tarmac venders the runways incapable of supporting many aeroplanes.

"I don't mind the C-130 as a prop, i.e. LST"

Me neither...but it should be capable of much more and I struggle to see why you do mind that.

"Yes dropping troops out of choppers is unrealistic, if at least they swung some ropes and decended while the chopper hovers 10 feet above ground. But honestly there isn't a need to "Paradrop". Even the biggest island Everon is mere 12 kilometers or so in size. Paradropping is used in real life over great distances. Short distances (like those in OF) are carried out with choppers. The idea is to transport mass troops over large distances in a short period of time. Since in OF you cannot fight a war with thousands of troops, then Chinook/Mi17 groups can carry out these tasks easily."

But I thought the game prided itself on its realism. So how come adding a C-130 for paradropping is wrong...but using a chopper for it is ok? Should the addition of a jumping platform be welcomed by such veterans of realism? After all there are needs for paradropping...on to Kolgujev for example...they do it in the Flaspoint Campaign.

"What's wrong with a C-130 flying from US to Everon to drop supplies, refuel and go back ? Well seeing how these islands have no natural oil supply (at least none that I know of), I cannot understand as to what the Hercules would refuel from"

No they do not have their own natural fuel supplies...they have fuel stations and fuel trucks. Who said the C-130 needs to come all the way from the US? It could come from anywhere...may not be a long trip.

"Sooner or later larger, jet, cargo planes would have to land to deliver the actual fuel for other planes, choppers, tanks and cars"

Yes they would...and a C-130 would be ideal for this role. The tanks on the Everon and Malden need fuel to run on after all. Someone needs to drop it off for them.

"Of course this game doesn't stretch this far. It doesn't simulate these possible weekly/montly supply drops"

No-one said a mission had to last weeks or months...all people want is the oppertunity to have a C-130 in the game.

"Would such planes fly to these islands on realistic terms ? Of course. Would they be permanently based on these tiny airfields to conduct paratrooping over a zone 8 kilometers from the airport ? Haha, please, you're making me laugh"

No-one said they would be based on these tiny islands to conduct paratrooping over a zone 8 km from the airport. But you did say before that these planes wouldn't fly to these island on realistic terms...therefore you have majorly contradicted yourself.

"I hardly see the point in a cargo plane dropping troops less than 10 kilometers away, it is illlogical, it would never be done in real life, and it's certainly a good way to destroy an entire platoon of infantry with a single Stinger missile"

...wouldn't happen...the Russians don't use Stinger missiles

I'm done

Jubs