Report: u.s. military told to prepare nukes

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (second_draw @ Mar. 11 2002,11:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">only a quarter or so the size of a big nuke<span id='postcolor'>

I find this size comparison funny.

[Oligo 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R. Gerschwarzenge @ Mar. 11 2002,10:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I find this size comparison funny.  <span id='postcolor'>

Yep. Considering that nukes vary from a few kiloton pops to 100 megaton Cheyenne mountain levellers... All have one thing in common though: You're killing the present AND future generations in the same time.

[Longinius 1]

"I doubt nukes are even considered to be used. no sutuation if assholestan suits the use of them at all.. we have bombs for killing bunkers/caves and there are no large concentrations (out in open) so what would be the point.."

Well, Bush publically announced that research in to mini nukes that can be used, for example in Afganistan, has been authorized.

[Wobble 1]

define "mini" we already have low yield small tac nukes that are "clean" enough to render the area "safe" for non protected personell after 2 weeks in open air..

they are about 2x explosive power as the daisy cutter.. so they are quite small

and it its small.. and clean.. well thats basically everything that ISNT nuclear.. so there shouldent be a big deal about it being used.. because the major piss and moan factor about nukes are their huge size and radiation.. of which these "mini" nukes have neither..

[Oligo 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ Mar. 11 2002,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">define "mini"  we already have low yield small tac nukes that are "clean" enough to render the area "safe" for non protected personell after 2 weeks in open air..

they are about 2x explosive power as the daisy cutter.. so they are quite small

and it its small.. and clean.. well thats basically everything that ISNT nuclear.. so there shouldent be a big deal about it being used..  because the major piss and moan factor about nukes are their huge size and radiation.. of which these "mini" nukes have neither..<span id='postcolor'>

Small nukes use a fission reaction to blow up. Fission creates only radioactive products. A small nuke has less fissible material, so the amount of radioactive waste generated is smaller. The area where a small nuke is detonated can be considered "safe" after two weeks, because the radiative environment has cooled down enough not to cause radiation sickness, which requires enough dosage to fuck up the cells lining your instetinal tract and/or thyroid gland. But make no mistake: For the next thousand years, your walking there will slowly screw up your DNA (cumulative effect of radiation) more than walking somewhere else. This damage will NEVER heal and you will be transmitting it to your offspring as well.

Yeah, small nukes are totally harmless.

[LauryThorn 0]

I used to think of U.S. as a world's police.. Always helping

the weak and so on..

But now I've changed my mind.

The oil in the Afghanistan is the real reason for that war..

Innocent people die there every day.

Osama bin Laden has probably nothing to do with those

"terrorist strikes" in NY.

Don't you folks forget that over 500 000 kids in Iraq has died because of USA and its politics.

Now that is terrorism!

Politics, ethics and money is the same thing in the US.

U.S. politicians are blood-thirsty "War pigs".

Blood is in your hands.

Come to Finland George W. and I personally will kick your ass.

[theavonlady 2]

Must be SAD.  

[second_draw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 11 2002,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I used to think of U.S. as a world's police..<span id='postcolor'>

ever heard of police brutality?

[second_draw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 11 2002,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't you folks forget that over 500 000 kids in Iraq has died because of USA and its politics.

Now that is terrorism!<span id='postcolor'>

Also, we figured out that it was not US's fault for the 1/2million ppl who died in iraq in the "wobble's idiot of the month" thread. I will not hold US responsible for these 1/2million deaths... but that it another issue. (see the "wobble's idiot of the month" thread)

[LauryThorn 0]

Oh yes, I support law and justice.

But I think that USA is not a police.

When the planes crashed in NY, they had a chance

to show that US people are better than those who

steered those planes.

But no, they are not. They fight terrorism with even

worse terrorism..

And so it remembered it all:

Dresden, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, dot, dot, dot..

[MosquitoMkVI 0]

Just answering a quick question about the bombs being used against the Afghanis in the caves.

The US is using thermobaric bombs. They are (according to what I've read) dropped by F-15s or F-18s, and based on the GBU design (don't ask me the actual designation or number). It's a smart laser guided weapon from what I understand. The bomb is dropped into the mouth of cave base upon intel gathered from the ground and the air. Upon impact, instead of exploding the bomb sends out a fine mist of highly explosive powder over a couple of hundred yard diameter. A highly yeild second explosive is detonated a few milliseconds later which creates the normal explosive blast, damaging everything with the power of it's shock blast, at the same time this ignites the powder which burns all the oxygen out of the atmosphere over a very large area, essentially creating a massive vacuum killing any living thing by literally sucking the air right out of them under massive pressure. The exterior atmosphere than rushes back in bringing the localized air pressure back to normal within milliseconds. Apparently the pressure  changes effect living things over a very large (read classified) area, killing them in the same way as surfacing from deep sea diving to quickly. It also apparently works through several hundred feet of rock for some reason without damaging the structure of the caves themselves so that they can be safely searched afterwards.

Quick question: Avon Lady, I've read that you live in Israel. Forgive me, but all I have is Western media to go on, but things sound pretty bad there. You must worry about you're kids alot? As a parent too, I don't think I'd have the balls to let them leave the house! Must be scary!

Oh well, best wishes.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LauryThorn @ Mar. 11 2002,11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh yes, I support law and justice.

But I think that USA is not a police.

When the planes crashed in NY, they had a chance

to show that US people are better than those who

steered those planes.

But no, they are not. They fight terrorism with even

worse terrorism..

And so it remembered it all:

Dresden, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, dot, dot, dot..<span id='postcolor'>

Jesus....I've never seen so many outlandish and retarded comparisons....Dresden? There was a city that was firebombed worse than Dresden...forgot which one though...but if you wanna bring that up how about...

Auschwitz, Triblinka, London, the Ukraine.....

Iraq? Yeah what about Kuwait and his own people that he used chemical weapons on? Remember the video of an entire village wiped out by gas?

Afghanistan? Yeah the Taliban were saints and all terrorists are holders of righteousness....gimme a break. You dare compare what we are doing in Afghanistan to the WTC? You are an ass. Civilians died yes and for that I am truely sorry. But we didn't purposefully target them. In fact we try to PREVENT them unlike the Taliban and Al Queda.

Somalia? What supposed "terrorist" acts did we do there...oh thats right...tried to stop the civil war. Those warlords were the good guys. We shoulda just left em alone to continue starving their own people and use food as a weapon. Ass.

Oh but I'm sure your you'll come back with I'm just a "brainwashed American" or some other bull, all the time unaware of your own brainwashed rhetoric.

Please you tire me. And I thoght the forum was past this shit.

[nordin dk 0]

You obviously have been brainwashed by the Killermonkey

What pisses me off is all the talk about nukes and other weapons of mass destruction, and you don't seem to think they are bad....correct me if I'm wrong.

And why defend your nations atrocities by comparing them to other nations atrocities? That's the way a fiveyear old argues.

All these months, I haven't seen a single American writing something to the effect of "Yes, I agree with you. Killing many people is wrong". All we get is selfrighteous chest-pounding.

P.S. Afghanistan=Assholestan? Wobble, please prove that you are beyond that kind of rascist idiocy.

[WisdoM 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ Mar. 11 2002,14:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All these months, I haven't seen a single American  writing something to the effect of "Yes, I agree with you. Killing many people is wrong". All we get is selfrighteous chest-pounding.<span id='postcolor'>

OMFG! read the fucking post above you twat!!! Did Akira not say that he agrees that killing civies is wrong, maybe if you'd take off thsoe damn blinders son you would see that everytime someone brings up that subject (which has been done over and over and over and over!!!!! everyone agrees that killing innocents is bad, but there is always going to be lives lost, I'm sorry but the majority of you seem to think we live in a prefect world..where bombs go where they are meant to go EVERYTIME. You all have played out your arguments, and they no longer have any standing..as you all use the same ones over and over and over and over and over and over!!!!

[WisdoM 1]

Akira said:

Civilians died yes and for that I am truely sorry. But we didn't purposefully target them. In fact we try to PREVENT them unlike the Taliban and Al Queda.

[nordin dk 0]

I stand corrected.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You all have played out your arguments, and they no longer have any standing..as you all use the same ones over and over and over and over and over and over!!!!<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, for a reason.

And stop calling me a twat or an ass or anything else like that, unless you want someone to take you seriously.

Now let's yell at eachother in the other thread instead...

[Akira 0]

Good thing I let the whole page load....was gonna go off again...that would have been embarressing.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ Mar. 11 2002,20:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You obviously have been brainwashed by the Killermonkey

What pisses me off is all the talk about nukes and other weapons of mass destruction, and you don't seem to think they are bad....correct me if I'm wrong.

And why defend your nations atrocities by comparing them to other nations atrocities? That's the way a fiveyear old argues.

All these months, I haven't seen a single American  writing something to the effect of "Yes, I agree with you. Killing many people is wrong". All we get is selfrighteous chest-pounding.

P.S. Afghanistan=Assholestan? Wobble, please prove that you are beyond that kind of rascist idiocy.<span id='postcolor'>

Apparently you are not versed in debating....

A- Claiming I am brainwashed because I think differently then you is how a five year old argues.

B- What "atrocities"? Give me a break. Genocide in Bosnia, Somalia, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Germany. THOSE are atrocities. To attempt to bring those to an end is NOT an atrocity.

And if you had cared to read the qoute and my post, I was comparing "atrocities" (as you so ignorantly put it), of the eras and over all picture. We fire bombed Dresden, yeah but that was to stop Germany...thus the atrocities.

I have to go now....no time defend my comments to your assinine comments.

[nordin dk 0]

The brainwashing comment was meant to be a joke, here's the smiley to go with it then

see?

Point approaching...

...here it is:

One atrocity doens't justify the other.

That's all.

This applies to all nations, all breed and creed, all sexes and all species.

Do you understand my opinion in this matter or not? Do you agree or not?

Do you at all understand what I am saying?

You are so damn aggressive...

[madmike 0]

I agree with you nordin about the atrocity point.

The US is on the rampage becuase it had the WTC knocked down, but this is leading to all sorts of problem and countries that are doing thier version of the war on terroism. AN example being Isreal attacking gaining more land each time a terroist kills their people.

And now the US is saying "dont do that, how can you do that, etc", but look at them, they are just as bad.

Setting a bad example but saying do what I say not what I do to Isreal.

The action that the US has taken is wrong IMO and I can imagine that they will have far worse attacks than sept 11th.

[Akira 0]

Well if its a joke ok then. Just didn't have the smiley after the first post....

And I am in no way saying your opinion matters less or more, and I most definitly see what you are trying to say. Its really hard for me to say whether I agree or not though. Dresden most certainly a mistake, and a great tragedy, but compared to some other "atrocities" in the world I can't even compare the two. But the targeting of civilians and "terror bombing" was definitly a low point and huge mistake by the Army Air Forces.

I too would like to live in peace and tranquility with the rest of the world....but there are people that won't let that happen...and it AIN'T just the US!

And yes I am aggressive...or defensive...sometimes the same...but being on this forum has taught me to be.

[MosquitoMkVI 0]

Such a nasty little monkey!!!

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MosquitoMkVI @ Mar. 11 2002,21:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Such a nasty little monkey!!!  <span id='postcolor'>

BEWARE THE MONKEYS!!!

[nordin dk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 11 2002,21:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well if its a joke ok then. Just didn't have the smiley after the first post....

And I am in no way saying your opinion matters less or more, and I most definitly see what you are trying to say. Its really hard for me to say whether I agree or not though. Dresden most certainly a mistake, and a great tragedy, but compared to some other "atrocities" in the world I can't even compare the two. But the targeting of civilians and "terror bombing" was definitly a low point and huge mistake by the Army Air Forces.

I too would like to live in peace and tranquility with the rest of the world....but there are people that won't let that happen...and it AIN'T just the US!

And yes I am aggressive...or defensive...sometimes the same...but being on this forum has taught me to be.<span id='postcolor'>

I like this post a lot more than the former ones

We all get so easily carried away.

What was the topic again?

[Grave 0]

U.S. thinks it can do whater, whenever, however they want. I mean yes I can undersrand Iraq and maybe North Korea. But China? Do they want war? And I thought Bush was the one saying Russia is 'not' an enemy anymore. Then why target them, so what if they have a great amount of nukes, what does US care? They should stop play a world police man or they will be taught a lesson or two.