ARMA 2 Adult content

[Herbal Influence 10]

Politicians are not only the ones lowest in a scale of admiration and respect - a poll showed that recently for Germany. :butbut:

But it seems that they are for good reason:

If "adult content" is shown in a military sim you can be sure that they will turn that onto Bohemia Interactive and sure will try to get some dumb voters for that.

They will publish (that's what they can and too often it seems the only thing they can) in the news:

We want perverse war-crime-adult-scene-games forbidden! Online and at home!

There is a government initiative on wrongful internetcontent in Germany going on.

And you can even be sure that some of them would believe what they were publishing then for the internet still seems something dubious to them which they really cannot understand.

So, my vote: No. Don't do it. You sure would most probably harm the whole community - which is - my personal experience - one of an idealistic special kind. Like so many in the Web 2.0 - culture.

[belgerot 33]

It seems that introducing such content would create an entirely new atmosphere in the game, and I'm not sure where or how that would go. No for me.

[Jack-UK 0]

Its not for me.

But whos to tell you what you can't do in a game which you can freely mod?

And like everyone says... killing, horror of war, blood and gore.... its all bad anyway, doesnt make us bloodthirsty killers (..much :D ). If someone wants to make it i'm not going to cause a fuss.

I do like the 'gangland' scenario however.. adding women/prostitutes or whatever adds to the atmosphere. You've all probably played GTA...

[Trikz 10]

Make a rape mod.. id dload that HARHARHAR

[st!gar 3]

I was gonna answer "no", but then I realized it would be hipocrisy to censor sexual content and slavery, while endorsing killing, murdering, war, etc...

QFT.

Head on the nail there, Herbal. We are so 'dulled' against some stuff while others are so bad, so bad!

Just because I like picking on USA I'll take another example: Violent games aren't an issue. But if you show as much as a lady's nipple in a game and the PEGI rating will instantly jump up a couple of years. Talk about messed up morals!

I do agree that the whole topic about nudity, slavery, etc is pretty niched. But I bet there are some players that will enjoy it, and if so I can't see why people should frown on 'em for doing so, while the rest of us commit genocide.

I entered this thread with the purpose of posting something like that. :)

[sakura_chan 9]

I didn't want to catch AIDS by reading this whole topic, but I thought I might add that there IS a prostitute ingame, the civilian "woman" has the internal class name of HOOKER, and according to some camera.sqs runs she has no panties with fully rendered genitalia/pubic hair.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/pervert.jpg JEEBUS! Give us a warning next time! -- Franze

proof that BIS had other priorities than bug fixes lol

Edited July 25, 2009 by Franze

[OChristie 0]

How much? I Like?

[st!gar 3]

:butbut: Ewww! Okay, that's just skanky. Even for a hooker.

[cole 0]

I didn't want to catch AIDS by reading this whole topic, but I thought I might add that there IS a prostitute ingame, the civilian "woman" has the internal class name of HOOKER, and according to some camera.sqs runs she has no panties with fully rendered genitalia/pubic hair.

proof that BIS had other priorities than bug fixes lol

I wonder if ESRB seen that? :D

[Shadow NX 1]

I didn't want to catch AIDS by reading this whole topic, but I thought I might add that there IS a prostitute ingame, the civilian "woman" has the internal class name of HOOKER, and according to some camera.sqs runs she has no panties with fully rendered genitalia/pubic hair.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/pervert.jpg

proof that BIS had other priorities than bug fixes lol

They took care of that detail but didnt add a bumpmap effect for the stockings, booo BIS boo ......................... ;)

( im aware that this is because all Hooker units share one model so they cant add that as the others dont have stockings )

[Macadam Cow 1]

Well, IMO, right now, adults content could be "allowed", but what about tomorrow ?

I mean take a game like State of Emergency by Rockstar. In this game you can kill hundreds of civilians (it's not the purpose but you can). It's not quite shocking because there's a cartoon-like graphics style. So as soon as you start the game you know it has nothing to do with reality.

But what about ArmA3, CoD11,... ?

Those games will more likely tend to be photo realistic. Will it still be fun to shoot an AI if it (he?) looks like a real person ? If he behaves like a real person, if he cries, bleed,...like a real person ?

I think games have reach a turning point. And WE, consumers, will decide where we want them to go.

The only fact it offers a new expericence does not justify we make fun (coz we will) of slavery, rape or gore. Maybe it's time for us to think a bit about the influence games can have on us.

We all know more sensitive of us have already done really bad things trying to recreate what they've seen in a movie or in a video game.

Do you really think those "new gaming experiences" will improve the way we live in real life ? Do you really think it will have NO impact on younger players ? Because this is a fact, we've failed at controlling sellings of video games. How many teens play GTA4 ? Do you think it will get any better with the improvement of internet ? Do you think illegal downloading will magically be reduced in the future ?

10 years ago we could have required such a thing but in my opinion now it's too late, we can't let video games become some kind of dirty art where all our nastier desires will become true.

Well that's my opinion

PS : please excuse my local english

Edited July 27, 2009 by Macadam Cow

[Hicks15 10]

I didn't want to catch AIDS by reading this whole topic, but I thought I might add that there IS a prostitute ingame, the civilian "woman" has the internal class name of HOOKER, and according to some camera.sqs runs she has no panties with fully rendered genitalia/pubic hair.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/pervert.jpg

proof that BIS had other priorities than bug fixes lol

Just about everyone who wears a skirt is like that, don't ask how I found out. :bounce3:

Edited July 25, 2009 by Franze
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[Master gamawa 0]

I didn't want to catch AIDS by reading this whole topic, but I thought I might add that there IS a prostitute ingame, the civilian "woman" has the internal class name of HOOKER, and according to some camera.sqs runs she has no panties with fully rendered genitalia/pubic hair.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/pervert.jpg JEEBUS! Give us a warning next time! -- Franze

proof that BIS had other priorities than bug fixes lol

that's underwear dude.

But if you see genitalia let us know k?

[Jack-UK 0]

that's underwear dude.

But if you see genitalia let us know k?

erm.. i'm pretty damn sure thats not underwear.. Shame on you BIS :P

[nomdeplume 0]

We all know more sensitive of us have already done really bad things trying to recreate what they've seen in a movie or in a video game.

I think it's more appropriate to try to determine why some very tiny percentage of individuals go out to recreate these things in the real world. If a kid shoots up his school and the media find they ever played any violent games they'll make a huge deal out of it, but the truth is it's extraordinarily rare. The proportion of people who do violent things in real life which could even remotely be attributed to video games is so miniscule that trying to claim any kind of causal link is, to me, completely absurd.

we can let video games become some kind of dirty art where all our nastier desires will become true.

IMHO, this isn't a bad thing. Humans are violent, awful creatures. Even in our best societies, we have violent crimes: robberies, murders, rapes. In our worst, we have horrific wars which cause unimaginable suffering, perpetuated for years and years by people solely because it makes them more powerful or wealthy or gives them an excuse to do vile things to a "deserving" enemy.

Such instincts have undoubtably served the species well for tens of thousands of years. The challenge for humankind going forward is to learn to control these no-longer-desirable instincts so they don't interfere with our collective goal of a free, safe society. My feeling is that trying to repress or deny the existence of anti-social desires or fantasies won't solve the problem, because it won't get rid of them; it'll simply make people feel guilty and ashamed of themselves for having such thoughts, leading to them thinking of themselves as being different to everyone else.

Video games offer humans something we've never had before: an opportunity to experience pretty much anything, from the mundane to the depraved, without any real consequences. As technology improves, the immersiveness of these experiences increases.

Far from being a descent into purgatory, I think that having a safe, harmless way for people to explore their darker sides is necessary if we're to have a healthy society where many different types of people can live together without conflict.

As such, I think video games should be able to represent anything they want. Of course, this doesn't address the issue of people who will be unduly influenced by what they see/experience - primarily children, but not exclusively. Perhaps we need a better way of determining when someone is an "adult" than simply waiting until they've been alive for some arbitrary amount of time.

[Macadam Cow 1]

without any real consequences.

In my opinion I think you're wrong here. It has real consequences because the mind behind the screen is real. No doubt it has nothing to compare with real life, but it has an influence. and in my opinion this influence will grow up with photo realistic games, especially on kids. Playing violent games does not make you more violent but they do desensitize to violence (all my sources are in french I'll try to find some in english).

This doesn't mean we're completly desensitize nor we're all desensitize to violence in the same way. But even if it only seriously affects 1% of the population it's enough for me to say no. Because this percent might do horrible things and harm hundreds of "normal" people.

I think that having a safe, harmless way for people to explore their darker sides is necessary if we're to have a healthy society

I'm not sure about that, you mean killing virtual people would prevent some of us to do it in real life ?

Just take the example of porn, it's not because you're surfing on porn website that you dont want to have sex after, to the contrary !

If you have a desire in real life it will never be satisfied by virtuality

Perhaps we need a better way of determining when someone is an "adult" than simply waiting until they've been alive for some arbitrary amount of time.

Indeed but maybe we should find this before releasing more and more violent games. I mean mankind always behave like that, acting then thinking about the consequences of his acts, because there are always unplanned consequences caused by a lack of thinking.

In my opinion exploring our darkiest side on a video game will not makes us better, will not delete our "bad" desires, it will just show us that, in a way, it is possible.

that's underwear dude.

But if you see genitalia let us know k?

underwear, really ? Some sort of transparent underwear then :rolleyes:

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/BloodnGuts/divers/arma22009-07-2504-41-13-97.jpg

[nomdeplume 0]

In my opinion I think you're wrong here. It has real consequences because the mind behind the screen is real.

This is a reasonable point of disagreement, and I don't know how much effect it does have on people. All I can really go on is my own experience, and while I enjoy playing a variety of games mostly for the challenge but also sometimes for the gore or shock value, I'm not even slightly violent in real life. Of course, the separation between reality and games in my mind may be stronger/different than that of most other people. So if the science shows clearly that exposure to video games does have negative consequences for a majority of people, then I'd reluctantly agree they need to be controlled. But given how many people do play violent video games and how rare any apparent adverse result is, I don't think it's likely to be the case.

But even if it only seriously affects 1% of the population it's enough for me to say no. Because this percent might do horrible things and harm hundreds of "normal" people.

This is something I really strong disagree with. It leads to a bad path, a "nanny state" where you're protected from everything that could possibly harm you. For example, guns can be used for bad purposes by 1% of the population -- so nobody should have them. Cars can be used irresponsibly and dangerously by people; 1% might even deliberately use them as weapons. Therefore, cars should be banned. Kitchen knives can be deadly weapons too - so no knives for anybody. I could go on and on with more and more ridiculous notions, but still easily stay within this "1%" rule. Don't even get me started on alcohol.

If we start banning anything that could result in harm, where do we stop? How much are you, as a mature responsible adult, willing to give up in order to make yourself feel completely safe? Even then, it's only a feeling of safety, not actual safety. Where do you draw the line? Doom was implicated in one of the school shootings years ago. Should that be banned? It's not even slightly realistic. Should Arma 2 be banned because someone somewhere might shoot a few people after playing it?

I just don't see it as reasonable to ban people from things they enjoy because a tiny minority of people abuse it. Permitting things must be the default in anything that could be construed as a free society, and banning should be a last resort for things which have very few if any legitimate uses.

I'm not sure about that, you mean killing virtual people would prevent some of us to do it in real life ?

Just take the example of porn, it's not because you're surfing on porn website that you dont want to have sex after, to the contrary !

There are arguments both ways. Many people use porn as an enhancement to masturbation, therefore achieving sexual release. Without the porn they might be more inclined to seek out stimulation in real-life. This could escalate to "peeping Tom" behaviour, for example. In extreme cases, it could go further. If the desire is to see attractive naked women, then porn provides a non-harmful way of doing that, even if you can't find any consenting attractive women in real life.

People who play Arma presumably enjoy the challenge of fighting intelligent adversaries. Many play it exclusively PvP: there's nothing as challenging and rewarding as hunting and killing another human. Those who are really, really interested in this particular challenge/experience can use video games as a way to explore it. Paintball is another avenue - a real-life simulation.

Absent any better way to get "close to" the real experience, some people may seek to enact it in real-life -- possibly with unwilling "opponents". Granted, this follows the same slippery-slope line of reasoning I was just demonizing, but the difference to me is in the harm caused by trying to prevent the slope from occurring. Banning the 99% that can handle an activity from doing it because of the 1% who can't handle it hurts more people than it helps.

If you have a desire in real life it will never be satisfied by virtuality

It's interesting that the argument flips between games not ever being close to real life, and them becoming more and more realistic and hard to tell from real life, depending on which point of view is more convenient. ;)

While virtuality may never completely satisfy real life desires, it can provide some aspects of it. For example, games like Arma give me more than enough experience of actual armed conflict. I get the intellectual challenge and adrenaline rush of a tense life-or-death experience, without putting myself or anyone else in any actual danger. Sure, it's nowhere near as intense as it would be in real life, but it's a taste of it... and that's quite enough for me.

Additionally, the more realistic the game gets the clearer the real-life consequences of actions can be. For example, if the people you shoot in a game writhe in agony with their guts hanging out, most people would find that unpleasant. Perhaps the people who have a hard time distinguishing realities from games will see the consequences as something they don't wish to inflict on real people.

Those who don't find it unpleasant - well, perhaps they're the 1% who need to be given special treatment so they can learn to view those around them as being thinking, feeling, important individuals.

I mean mankind always behave like that, acting then thinking about the consequences of his acts, because there are always unplanned consequences caused by a lack of thinking.

Indeed, but necessity is the mother of invention, and we generally find solutions for problems when they're needed. There may be a bit of an unpleasant period while we come up with the solution, but it always happens.

In my opinion exploring our darkest side on a video game will not makes us better, will not delete our "bad" desires, it will just show us that, in a way, it is possible.

No, but I don't think anything will ever delete them -- it's a part of the human psyche and likely always will be. Thus my reasoning that trying to deny it and outlaw it is doomed to failure. A more constructive approach is to say it's okay to have those desires, and provide safe avenues for getting at least some of that experience. Acceptance and education, rather than denial and vilification.

[Master gamawa 0]

In my opinion I think you're wrong here. It

underwear, really ? Some sort of transparent underwear then :rolleyes:

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/BloodnGuts/divers/arma22009-07-2504-41-13-97.jpg

Yes! The best kind of underwear is the semi transparent kind anyone who disagrees is a farm-wife!

[Rasa-be 10]

In my opinion exploring our darkiest side on a video game will not makes us better, will not delete our "bad" desires, it will just show us that, in a way, it is possible.

True. But it's like with prostitution: countries who have it generally have less sex crimes (compare american states). Valves are apparently needed. Question remains wether video games are good valves.

[Soldier of Anarchy 10]

I don't think the discussion really needs go this far.

Yes you are free to make what ever you want ,just like OFP and ARMA.

Only problem is getting someone / site to distribute it for you.....there was a mod for OFP that had naked women , gay men and a weird human bike thing.....it was all part of a mod. Saying that I can't tell you where to find it nowadays....seems it was a niche mod for a very niche game...same will go for any adult/sex mod in ARMA2.

This ain't Oblivion Y'know ;)

[st!gar 3]

I agree with some kind of guy completely and utterly, on every point. He wrote just what I going to post, only slightly more clever and articulately.

[[aps]gnat 28]

Yes, nice post some-kind-of-guy

While agree with most, there is of course a limit to all things.

Guns: Owning a mini-armoury or anything designed specificly to reak mass murder in a matter of seconds.

Porn: All good except where it involved sick and twisted f**khead stuff. ie children and real rape

Games: Just plain outright semi-realist violence, blood and gore with little to no "moral" limits and only rewards more of the same

Movies: Any of the above on film

... and so on.

[Rodrigo68 17]

But what about ArmA3, CoD11,... ?

Those games will more likely tend to be photo realistic. Will it still be fun to shoot an AI if it (he?) looks like a real person ? If he behaves like a real person, if he cries, bleed,...like a real person ?

Damm i know this is off topic.....but you just blew my mind......im truly scarded to play games int he future and you bring up a good damm point.

[icebreakr 3100]

Yesterday we've played a mission where as a rebel you have to defend a small village as Russians attack it with two Hinds and armored column. Engine generated like 3 old ladies that barely walked and we felt really immersed as there were attack our homes ;) when first Hind strafed the village these old ladies started to cry and lie there wounded.... geez, luckly we are not running Kids v1.0 addon :)

Btw: I'm finishing up a PvPvAI mission where you have a serial killer that has to kill 10 prostitutes while cops are looking for him and 2 more criminals can do various bad stuff to distract cops ;)

Edited July 31, 2009 by IceBreakr

[cyclone83 6]

Hey, now this sounds quite interesting, IceBreakr! :)