ArmA II: The Vehicles

[dm 9]

Nope it isn't

Uh, yes, its an MH-60S Knighthawk.

See the little bump on the nose? That is the only major visual difference EXTERNALLY between the MH-60S and standard UH-60L. (Aside from the fact one is grey with "NAVY" down the side, the other is green with "United States Army" down the side...)

Edited April 18, 2009 by DM

[Pirate. 0]

Hi, "fits its intended purpose..." well, that's another history, which is the HMMWV

intended purpouse? to be a simple car? that don't stops 5.56mm bullets and bigger

calibers?, that's it's intended pourpouse?; depends on who you ask i guess, if you

ask BIS the pourpouse may be just be a transport platform to move faster by the

battlefield with a limited firepower or none at all (in the unarmed variant), but if

they gonna do some M1044s, then it should stand some 7.62mm fire and the tyres

should just get flat and allow you to keep driving at 50Kmh or so and like 30Kmh

off road, that's the real HMMWV M1044 pourpouse, now, what or how BIS gonna

represent it in the game it's another history... if we start with a completly inaccurate

model... we're begining badly then. All what im saying is that the model is wrong

no matters which HMMWV version it represents, if it represents any USMC

hummer, then it's wrong because that's not where the side exhaust is placed

and there isn't any USMC hummer that uses/have. There isn't any USMC or

army hummer that have the hood's snorkel as that one, and the army hummers

(the only ones that have those vents in the back) don't have the side exhaust

and the USMC don't uses army vehicles, because they've their own that fits

better the role that the USMC use 'em for. So, again; BIS please, fix that HMMWV

model. Let's C ya

firstly: Sorry for the late reply

Isn't it a possibility that the guys over at BIS created a fictional HMMWV model that has never been produced? Maybe even intentionally? They are using features of several different versions/models and combining them into a new one. Maybe even adding some never-been-used features aswell.

That may not be realistic, but it might just do the job well...

The good thing about not starting from scratch and building a vehicle that doesn't resemble anything existing could be saving time. Don't reinvent if you don't have to. Same reason why they used a part of the Czech Republic and not a fictional country. Evolution takes time, better copy and existing an evolved product than start your own evolution and go through many design generations until the "optimum" product is achieved.

An additional benefit is that if a vehicle is based on an existing one it is immediately recognized, even if it's not nuts-and-bolts accurate to the real deal.

Edited April 18, 2009 by Pirate.
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[ScorpionGuard 10]

Correction, its a MH-60S Knighthawk - not a blackhawk ^^ used by the US Navy and apperently loaned out to the US Marines

MH-60S "Knighthawk"

An MH-60S Knighthawk conducts VERTREPThe MH-60S was developed after the Navy decided to phase out the venerable CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter. The MH-60S is deployed aboard amphibious assault ships and fast combat supply ships. It has two missions: troop transport and vertical replenishment (VERTREP), but can also perform search and rescue (SAR). The MH-60S has no offensive sensors but can carry the ALQ-144 Infrared Jammer. The MH-60S will, in the near future, deploy with the AQS-20A Mine Detection System and an Airborne Laser Detection system for identifying submerged objects in coastal waters. The S-model is the first US Navy helicopter to field the glass cockpit where-by the flight data information is relayed to pilots using four digital screens rather than electromechanical gauges and dials. The primary means of defense is with the M60D, M240 or GAU-17/A guns. A "batwing" refit (Armed Helo Kit) based on the Army's UH-60L was developed to accommodate Hellfire or Penguin missiles, or larger guns or cannon.

The MH-60S is unofficially known as the "Knighthawk", reflecting its role as the designated successor of the Sea Knight, though this name was formally disapproved in favor of the "Seahawk" name. A standard crew for the "Knighthawk" is one pilot, one copilot and two crewmen. With the retirement of the Sea Knight, the squadron designation of Helicopter Combat Support Squadron (HC) was also retired from the Navy. Operating MH-60S squadrons were re-designated Helicopter Sea Combat (HSC).

Unlike all other Navy H-60s, the MH-60S is not based on the original S-70B platform with its forward-mounted twin tail-gear and single starboard sliding cabin door. Instead, the S-model is a hybrid, featuring the main fuselage of the S-70A/UH-60, with large sliding doors on both sides of the cabin and a single aft-mounted tail wheel; and the engines, drivetrain and rotors of the S-70B/SH-60.

The MH-60S was designed to serve as a replacement for the CH-46D Sea Knight and the SH-3 Sea King in the VERTREP (vertical replenishment) and personnel transport role, the HH-60H in the combat search and rescue (CSAR) role, the MH-53E Sea Dragon in the mine counter measures role. As such, it is literally a hybrid of two distinct airframes.

So Mavericko you are corrected in saying is not a Blackhawk. But incorrected about the MH-60S being on loan to the US Marine Corps. The MH-60S is asigned to all LHD/LHA's for these duties. A total of two per Amphibious Assault Ship.

[Mavericko 0]

Ah, Thank you ScorpionGuard - I only know that the chopper in-game has "US Navy" on it's tail :P

[Laqueesha 474]

apperently loaned out to the US Marines

Nope, the Knighthawk is purely a U.S. Navy helicopter.

The U.S. Marines don't operate Knighthawks, but they do ride in them, as the U.S. Marine Corps is part of the U.S. Navy.

[Mavericko 0]

Nope, the Knighthawk is purely a U.S. Navy helicopter.

The U.S. Marines don't operate Knighthawks, but they do ride in them, as the U.S. Marine Corps is part of the U.S. Navy.

Was talking about the game, ingame the entire US Faction is USMC but that chopper is US Navy - the "loaned" part was a joke

Edited April 18, 2009 by Mavericko

[An-225 0]

MARINE - My Ass Rides in Navy Equipment

Still would be nice to get a Sea Stallion or Knight to complement our Marine aircraft on the LHD.

[ScorpionGuard 10]

So far as the CH-53E Super Stallion is concern. The Marine Corp is still. And will use them in the future. Until the CH-53K goes in to production. But for the CH-46 Sea Knight. So far as the game/sim is concern. It has been replaced by the MV-22B. There would be no reason to add it.

Edited April 19, 2009 by ScorpionGuard

[Mavericko 0]

Can't wait to see some more footage of the LHD

[An-225 0]

If you're into LHD operations...as I am, you'll probably be excited to know that we already have seen footage of purple jackets, yellow jackets and red jackets.

This is brilliant, and while jacketed crew members have no place on the battlefield, it shows just how far BIS are going to create immersion.

[JK07 10]

The U.S. Marines don't operate Knighthawks, but they do ride in them, as the U.S. Marine Corps is part of the U.S. Navy.

The USMC is most definitely NOT part of the US Navy. Yes, they operate under the Department of the Navy, but regardless they're their own branch of the US armed forces. I'd like to see the reaction of a Marine if you told him he was part of the US Navy.

[ScorpionGuard 10]

The USMC is most definitely NOT part of the US Navy. Yes, they operate under the Department of the Navy, but regardless they're their own branch of the US armed forces. I'd like to see the reaction of a Marine if you told him he was part of the US Navy.

USMC relationship with other services: United States Navy

The Marine Corps' sister service under the Department of the Navy is the United States Navy. As a result, the Navy and Marine Corps have a close relationship, more so than with other branches of the military. Whitepapers and promotional literature have commonly used the phrase "Navy-Marine Corps Team", or to "the Naval Service." Both the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) and Commandant of the Marine Corps report directly to the Secretary of the Navy.

Cooperation between the two services begins with the training and instruction of Marines. The Corps receives a significant portion of its officers from the United States Naval Academy and Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps (NROTC). NROTC staff includes Marine instructors, while Marine drill instructors contribute to training of officers in the Navy's Officer Candidate School. Marine aviators are trained in the Naval Aviation training pipeline.

Training alongside each other is viewed as critical, as the Navy provides transport, logistical, and combat support to put Marine units into the fight, for example, the Maritime Prepositioning ships and naval gunfire support. Most Marine aviation assets ultimately derive from the Navy, with regards to acquisition and funding, and Navy aircraft carriers typically deploy with a Marine squadron alongside Navy squadrons. Marines do not recruit or train noncombatants such as chaplains or medical/dental personnel; naval personnel fill these roles. Some of these sailors, particularly Hospital Corpsmen and Religious Programs Specialists, generally wear Marine uniforms emblazoned with Navy insignia. Conversely, the Marine Corps is responsible for conducting land operations to support naval campaigns, including the seizure of naval and air bases. Both services operate a network security team in conjunction. Soon[when?], the Marine Corps is also expecting to provide small detachments to permanently serve on Navy ships for security, vessel boarding, search and seizure operations, reprising their original role.

Marines and Sailors share many naval traditions, especially terminology and customs. Marine Corps Medal of Honor recipients wear the Navy variant of this and other awards; and with few exceptions, the awards and badges of the Navy and Marine Corps are identical. The Navy's Blue Angels flight demonstration team is staffed by both Navy and Marine officers and enlisted men, and includes a Marine C-130 Hercules aircraft.

In 2007, the U.S. Marine Corps joined with the Navy and Coast Guard to adopt a new maritime strategy called A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower that raises the notion of prevention of war to the same philosophical level as the conduct of war. This new strategy charts a course for the Navy, Coast Guard and Marine Corps to work collectively with each other and international partners to prevent regional crises, manmade or natural, from occurring or reacting quickly should one occur to avoid negative impacts to the United States.

Edited April 19, 2009 by ScorpionGuard

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Can't wait to see some more footage of the LHD

Where can I find this footage of the LHD/LHA? If you would. Can you provide some links.

[Big-Rooney 5]

Go a small update on the LHD for ya.

It seems that there is a transport vehicle for carrier use Here

Seems like the Praga V3S is back ;)

Yes, I really liked this vehicle, seems to fit the area and style.

Was talking about the game, ingame the entire US Faction is USMC but that chopper is US Navy - the "loaned" part was a joke

The entire faction is not the USMC. There is some US Air Force in there too, look at the C-130J and the A-10 Thunderbolt.

Where can I find this footage of the LHD/LHA? If you would. Can you provide some links.

Unfortunately I've forgotten the link of the video that shows some footage of the LHD.

[An-225 0]

As far as I can see, thats a USMC Herky bird. It has the three shade ghost grey that the KC-130 has..

[ScorpionGuard 10]

As far as I can see, thats a USMC Herky bird. It has the three shade ghost grey that the KC-130 has..

Mission: The KC-130 is a multi-role, multi-mission tactical tanker/transport which provides the support required by Marine Air Ground Task Forces. This versatile asset provides in-flight refueling to both tactical aircraft and helicopters as well as rapid ground refueling when required. Additional tasks performed are aerial delivery of troops and cargo, emergency resupply into unimproved landing zones within the objective or battle area, airborne Direct Air Support Center, emergency medevac, tactical insertion of combat troops and equipment, evacuation missions, and support as required of special operations capable Marine Air Ground Task Forces.

[Mavericko 0]

Go a small update on the LHD for ya.

It seems that there is a transport vehicle for carrier use Here

Yes, I really liked this vehicle, seems to fit the area and style.

The entire faction is not the USMC. There is some US Air Force in there too, look at the C-130J and the A-10 Thunderbolt.

Unfortunately I've forgotten the link of the video that shows some footage of the LHD.

It's not a C-130J its a KC-130J Super Hercules - and Yeah, the A-10 and F-35 is not part of the USMC - my point was that the developers have named the faction USMC in-game, seen in the editor aswell as on the site obviously

[Mavericko 0]

Where can I find this footage of the LHD/LHA? If you would. Can you provide some links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKX5GNVe6Qg&feature=channel_page

Near the end of that video you see a charachter onboard some typ of amphibious assault ship

[An-225 0]

No, the F-35B is USMC. And while the C-130J is wearing the camo that is used on the KC-130, pilots refuel from refueling pods located on the outboard section on the wing - not inboard as the model we have seen shows.

The C-130J is probably a hypothetical USMC airplane. ;)

[nodunit 397]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKX5GNVe6Qg&feature=channel_page

Near the end of that video you see a charachter onboard some typ of amphibious assault ship

And that the camera appears to be actually attached to the characters head now, It's great to see that when you roll in ArmaII your view goes with it rather then stays straight like in ArmaI. I think the camera movement is going to greatly increase the immersion (I just hope it's tweakable since it's not for everyone).

[honkitonk 0]

Yes it can be switched off. It's been said at the end of the video.

[Mavericko 0]

No, the F-35B is USMC. And while the C-130J is wearing the camo that is used on the KC-130, pilots refuel from refueling pods located on the outboard section on the wing - not inboard as the model we have seen shows.

The C-130J is probably a hypothetical USMC airplane. ;)

No - The F-35 Is not USMC - not yet, the USMC are going to purchase them - but they have not done so yet. The game developers also say in an interview that the F-35 is not USMC

Edited April 19, 2009 by Mavericko

[wipman 1]

Hi, seems that the C-130J belongs to the air force while the KC-130J belongs to the USMC,

this is how a USMC KC-130J airframe looks like:

Marines KC-130J.

air force C-130J.

UK C-130J HUD.

I hope that they do the USMC KC-130J instead the air force C-130J, but who knows...

they may come with a hybrid "thing" like their fictional conception of HMMWV or their other

innacurate vehicle models; by the way, someone knows if the UH-1Z gonna have HUD?

i miss it in the ArmA. Let's C ya

Edited April 19, 2009 by wipman

[Mavericko 0]

Hi, seems that the C-130J belongs to the air force while the KC-130J belongs to the USMC,

this is how a USMC KC-130J airframe looks like:

Marines KC-130J.

air force C-130J.

UK C-130J HUD.

I hope that they do the USMC KC-130J instead the air force C-130J, but who knows...

they may come with a hybrid "thing" like their fictional conception of HMMWV or their other

innacurate vehicle models; by the way, someone knows if the UH-1Z gonna have HUD?

i miss it in the ArmA. Let's C ya

It's a UH1-Y and yes, in an old video you could "fold" the HUD away and into your field of view so you can use it as you wish

[ScorpionGuard 10]

No - The F-35 Is not USMC - not yet, the USMC are going to purchase them - but they have not done so yet. The game developers also say in an interview that the F-35 is not USMC

Dear Mavericko. The Air Force do not have STOL F-35B's. The UAMC is the only US brench of the military that have them. So you are stating misinfomation.

USMC:

The F-35B is the short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) variant of the aircraft. Similar in size to the A variant, the B sacrifices some fuel volume to make room for the vertical flight system. Takeoffs and landing with vertical flight system are by far the riskiest, and in the end, a decisive factor in design. Like the AV-8B Harrier II, the B's guns will be carried in a ventral pod. Whereas F-35A is stressed to 9 g, F-35B and F-35C are stressed to 7.5 g.

The British Royal Air Force and Royal Navy plan to use this variant to replace their Harrier GR7/GR9s. The United States Marine Corps intends to purchase 340 F-35Bs to replace all current inventories of the F/A-18 Hornet, AV-8B Harrier II and possibly the EA-6B Prowler in the fighter, attack, and electronic warfare roles.

The F-35B was unveiled at Lockheed's Fort Worth plant on 18 December 2007, and the first test flight was on 11 June 2008. The B variant is expected to be available beginning in 2012.

USAF:

The F-35A is the conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant intended for the US Air Force and other air forces. It is the smallest, lightest F-35 version and is the only variant equipped with an internal cannon, the GAU-22/A. This 25 mm cannon is a development of the GAU-12 carried by the USMC's AV-8B Harrier II. It is designed for increased effectiveness compared to the 20 mm M61 Vulcan cannon carried by other USAF fighters.

The F-35A is expected to match the F-16 in maneuverability, instantaneous and sustained high-g performance, and outperform it in stealth, payload, range on internal fuel, avionics, operational effectiveness, supportability and survivability. It also has an internal laser designator and infrared sensors.

The A variant is primarily intended to replace the USAF's F-16 Fighting Falcons, beginning in 2013, and replace the A-10 Thunderbolt II starting in 2028

And also. The F-35B production schedule have been moved up by the DOD.

Edited April 19, 2009 by ScorpionGuard