CheatIdiots.. and BIS... Question about cheaters..

[wex-q 0]

2 things:

1.Password your server or get to know the ppl with passworded servers and play there.

2. @Dwarden: God, that rolling thingie in your sig gives me headache

But as you said, there is not much you can do, except maybe capture all scum sucking cheating groups/cheaters and move them to a cottage in Alaska.

But who cares about cheaters, they are on the lowest rank of all computer-criminals, the only thing they can do is looks for stuff on google, put it together and hope it works.

Thats why uglyhacks from bad people like cheaters and n00b-hackers (if that's even a word) are so dangerous, they just put a hack together and run it, not knowing to 100% what it's meant to do.

But then again, they are a pain in the arse.

[Junker 0]

My rules as admin.

Ask Regulars to write down the ID of any cheater or TKers if admin isnt on (REPORT IN FORUM)

Ban All 10 digit IDs

Ban players that start TKing from the start.

kick abusive named players and ask them to change it (other way around works better :P)

As Admin i dont put up any sh*t and the regular respect our server for this attitude.

ZERO TOLERANCE is the key to keeping a clean server.

[S.O.S 0]

LMFAO. You dont wanna know how easy it is to change your ID in arma 1.08 to any ID you want. BIS is so redicioulous in that case. Why do they make themself more work?

[Nutty_101 0]

Plus the fact they don't use the keygen anymore it seems. Heck, most of them are using real keys stolen from other users copies of Arma. You don't need to run a server to have them take your key, they just join to the first screen and capture all your information. Once that is done,they can reverse the key to the real id into the registry.

I was surfing google to see posts about this and if you look you can find a valid key list that people are using to play the hacked version online. So either Bis does not care about the fact they are providing people with the ability to play hacked versions online. I for one don't want my copy being used by morons on the net who are to lazy to work and get a copy of their own. Or by someone with the single intention of getting the key banned so we cannot play online. Kinda pissed to be honest. Thus why i no longer join public servers.

We need a key server and i think they should re-issue keys to people who have played online. Then they should stop sending the freaking keys to all clients who are not even admins on the server.

[baddo 0]

Nutty_101 thanks for the heads-up.

Doesn't sound good at all.

It does sound right to me that no clients need other peoples' ID's, if the ID's are known to the server then that should be sufficient IMHO. But hey I didn't code ArmA so what do I know.

The playing on public OFP:R servers was getting quite ridiculous on the last times I played OFP:R online, a good time before ArmA's release. It sounds like ArmA is already there, or even farther when it comes to hacking/cheating in multiplayer.

I'm sure this is an issue that requires attention from BIS, or otherwise multiplayer on public servers is a big no-no for many people including myself.

[RN Escobar 0]

IP banning is a very real option

and dynamic IP's make very little difference if u just ban a range, yes u might also ban 1 other clean player who happens to live in the same area but at the end of the day if u want a clean server then sacrifices have to be made

if BIS had had the forethought to have enbaled the -netlog command from the word go, then there would be a large amount of information on player names, ID numbers and IP ranges allready available to server admins and with a little time and some usefull programs u can collate all the info u need.

ip ***.***.***.*** has connected using 8 different ID numbers, he's using a keygen = BAN

id number ########## has connected from 15 different ip ranges, its a warez ID = BAN

its not brain surgery, just give us the tools, all i need is Netlog, the many servers i admin give me all the info i need.

[binkster 0]

IP banning is a very real option

and dynamic IP's make very little difference if u just ban a range, yes u might also ban 1 other clean player who happens to live in the same area but at the end of the day if u want a clean server then sacrifices have to be made

if BIS had had the forethought to have enbaled the -netlog command from the word go, then there would be a large amount of information on player names, ID numbers and IP ranges allready available to server admins and with a little time and some usefull programs u can collate all the info u need.

ip ***.***.***.*** has connected using 8 different ID numbers, he's using a keygen = BAN

id number ########## has connected from 15 different ip ranges, its a warez ID = BAN

its not brain surgery, just give us the tools, all i need is Netlog, the many servers i admin give me all the info i need.

Thats What I was trying to say.  Except all the netlog stuff...

[Dwarden 1124]

so lets explain how this gunna work for major european ISPs

i mean .... lets look at mine it owns 10000s IPs

banning C range ? i barely remember getting IP in same C group after reseting dynamic IPs i own multiple times ...

yeah ban whole ISP ... oops You just banned 10000s homes ...

local ranges ? barely possible as my ISP is crosscountry oriented and they were swapping IP blocks between countries often ...

it may work for some time but if You keep permanent range bans then public servers gets less and less populaed

[Jack-UK 0]

Remember cheaters are usually lazy, if u ban their IP and they have to restart their router/modem then they'll probably just move onto another server.

Maybe trial IP banning? if it doesnt work and honest players get banned then i guess its not really worth it.

[1436 1]

when you ban a ip range you dont ban the whole ISP yo ban the area whare that area is. so lets say you ban ip ***.***.*** and then go to www.samspade.org look up the ip range you find out that person is on Virizon. when you ip range ban them you are baning the State thay are in not the whole isp you can evan call the isp again and say i need toe Co ip range that is the Datacenter in that city ip range ban so you ban just that.

In turms of beink a afk admin set youre Vote threshold to 0.20 on a 30+ man server. It takes forever to vote admin for reson 1 a most in server dont speek english 2 cant type are noobs. if you have no voteing on youre server and decide to leave with all youre mates you are asking for a cheater to come on in. so just shut it down but if you do have admin voteing on then the cheater can be kicked fact is that 95% of players right now dont evan know a ligit key is 6-9 numbers long. so cheater gets kicked comes back with a new name. same id

http://stats.swec.se:3001/server/list keeps tracks of scores so look at the list find games in the past u knew thare was no admin and look for negitive 35 plus score it will tell you the player name that combined with -netlog and Logfile= in server config shood be no problum to ban unwanted guys.

examples of such games

BDa @-=Public Server=-@

Name/Score/Deaths/Game thay wher in

-----------------------------

Matt Baba -55 18 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/601653

boris-rus -48 11 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/599178

hateriszed! -35 8 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/599178

ak47marksman -36 5 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/598896

Baz -34 10 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/597161

carlos metra -61 15 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/592429

Baz -34 10 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/597161

IFYOUHATEMEFUCKYOU -49 17 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/593601

GruntyThrst -35 0 http://stats.swec.se/game/data/592429

this is what the global ban list to be baist on not some random person saying this guy hacks and that guy screenshot might be photoshop. but you also have to relise a game with 3 people in it. all same clan with -400 score is jsut haveing fun but a full game and one guys has -35 plus thats Pure tking

Rember dieing does not give you a negitive score onley destroying friendly vic or tking i think a Negitive Score over -35 score is something realy to look in to or ban

its sad to see 1 out of 10 ids one is fake and i kick and say go buy the game and thay say but im in Korea thay dont sell it and i kick again

[1436 1]

ps if anyone has the cheat pack please pm me the mod folder name and addons in the folder

TY!!

[RN Escobar 0]

valid point dwarden, but out of those 10000 homes how many play ArmA?

so i might lose 2 or maybe 3 honest players from one city or whatever

if it keeps my server free from idiots then actually my server gets a better name, and more people come to play because it is free of idiots.

ID banning is as useless as u like, Keygens are available, and until u prevent the X many digit ID's from connecting to servers u cannot protect them any other way than but to IP range ban, save for locking the server.

with a good firewall and use of netlog u can be pretty accurate with IP bans, and then u can have all kinds of fun with the hackers, drop them from only 1 port, so they can see your full server that would like to ruin, but OH NO they can't connect, and because ArmA is waiting for info, the game has hung, OH DEAR, best reboot your computer and try again, OOPS, its done it again.

they get bored of rebooting eventually and give up, meaning not only are they not attacking my server, but for 15 minutes or so, they haven't attacked any other server

Esco

[Cam51 0]

Maybe we should designate someone as a hacker spy, and have them try and infiltrate the scum sucking cheating groups group and destroy this virus from the inside-out.

scum sucking cheating groups/All cheaters

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

Maybe we should designate someone as a hacker spy, and have them try and infiltrate the scum sucking cheating groups group and destroy this virus from the inside-out.

scum sucking cheating groups/All cheaters

yeah, thats subtle! LMAO

IMO, this thread only makes the situation worse.

Conduct your talks on pm or your respective clan forums, but please give it a rest here.

[Cam51 0]

-Ziggy- @ July 24 2007,04:15)]

Maybe we should designate someone as a hacker spy, and have them try and infiltrate the scum sucking cheating groups group and destroy this virus from the inside-out.

scum sucking cheating groups/All cheaters

yeah, thats subtle! LMAO

IMO, this thread only makes the situation worse.

Conduct your talks on pm or your respective clan forums, but please give it a rest here.

It was meant to be a joke.

Talking about it in a public forum shows that people are concerned about this situation. Taking it under ground will only cool the flame. We need ever hacker and cheater to know that this community won't stand for this crap, and if we make enough noise then maybe BIS will hear us too.

[Nutty_101 0]

Even if they are watching all this go on and I am sure they are. What will it get us? Not a ton, the best they can do is limit some of the destructive cheats and the rest we just have to live with. Even Xbox Live has cheating going on now. All popular games that are online will have it. Like I said before, there are wanna be hackers/crackers and there are a few who really know what is going on. The ones who know how to do things generally keep it to them selfs for a bit then it gets released. Also there are more than likely quite a few other groups or people writing code to cheat in Arma besides scum sucking cheating groups. They are just the more public ones because they post quite a bit on their forums.

The other reason there are so many is how the game works with its scripting. The other problem is that there are so few people playing this game online anymore that you run into them on all the public servers that have people inside. Thats what 5 servers with 10+ people at max now? The community is in a huge decline for public play. This is a boost for group play though but harder to find a quick game. Most the people who work retail stores around where I live will tell you the game is not good for public online play. Op Flash was popular in the USA as well so quite a few of the people who are into first person shooters more than likely looked into it. They either saw the forums or experienced it first hand. Still it has to be the first time I have looked at the game in a store and been told about how bad the cheating is. I have ran into this at two different Best Buy's of all places. Gotta be a huge loss in sales there.

On another note looking at the posts on the forums there are less and less posts being created in here. Sad..

[mattxr 9]

We will never win

No Game in History has ever won

Hacking will go on for all of time i guess unless there is uber leet anti hack internet policing force equivelent of SAS lol.

[Dwarden 1124]

then explain to me why several games got way less cheaters aka barely none

let me name ummm one : ROO

[armatech 8]

why dont bis add a stream anti hacking system like thay do on most online only games such as Rappelz

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

valid point dwarden, but out of those 10000 homes how many play ArmA?

so i might lose 2 or maybe 3 honest players from one city or whatever

if it keeps my server free from idiots then actually my server gets a better name, and more people come to play because it is free of idiots.

ID banning is as useless as u like, Keygens are available, and until u prevent the X many digit ID's from connecting to servers u cannot protect them any other way than but to IP range ban, save for locking the server.

with a  good firewall and use of netlog u can be pretty accurate with IP bans, and then u can have all kinds of fun with the hackers, drop them from only 1 port, so they can see your full server that would like to ruin, but OH NO they can't connect, and because ArmA is waiting for info, the game has hung, OH DEAR, best reboot your computer and try again, OOPS, its done it again.

they get bored of rebooting eventually and give up, meaning not only are they not attacking my server, but for 15 minutes or so, they haven't attacked any other server

Esco

I like your solution

[S.O.S 0]

why dont bis add a stream anti hacking system like thay do on most online only games such as Rappelz

ROFL Rappelz

[mattxr 9]

then explain to me why several games got way less cheaters aka barely none

let me name ummm one : ROO

What the hell is Roo. Games that people have heard off.

Big games that actually get a lot of players and are popular always have them.

[RN Escobar 0]

red orcestra online?

i know that RO is red orchestra so i'm just guessing

[1436 1]

Ragnorock online?

[Hitman 10]

Rise of the Triad online?