Children?

[umbr44 0]

Firstly, for those who think this addon would get the game banned because of perverted textures that would be made may I please point you to the sims 2, where a few minutes search will find nude, mesh edited models of male and female: elders, adults, teenagers, children and im sure i've even see a toddler somewhere.   Perverted yes, but if you look at the models downloadeds you will find that they have very few downloads and lots of ur a sicko comments. I do not see why people would download these for perverted pleasure.

Killing them: OMG please don't kill children because that will cause............absolutely nothing to happen. We are aloud to kill men in this game and I see no difference in killing an adult model to a child model, it is not real life and no game has ever inspired me to do anything.

What will it add to the game: Realism, or are we living in the village peoples paradise in Sahrani, (that includes having women downloads aswell btw), and moral choices to make.  

I could storm in with the tanks, but I might kill that child, now he may be just a model but not killing him will add realism and difficulty to the game. I for one am not very good at this game and im a teenager who loves killing stuff, but I would replay that mission until I did it without killing that child.

(I have nothing against gay people, my point was merely to claim we only have men polulating this whole island)

[NeMeSiS 11]

What will it add to the game: Realism, or are we living in the village peoples paradise in Sahrani, (that includes having women downloads aswell btw), and moral choices to make.  

Definitely, we have several playgrounds on the island. Would you really call an airstrike on those poor children who are playing there? Adds alot to the atmosphere IMO.

[umbr44 0]

Exactly, it won't make much difference since it would be a user addon but I would do it, i'd try a way around it such as attacking the town on foot or firing some shots into the tow so the children clear out of the area.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Firstly, for those who think this addon would get the game banned because of perverted textures that would be made may I please point you to the sims 2, where a few minutes search will find nude, mesh edited models of male and female: elders, adults, teenagers, children and im sure i've even see a toddler somewhere. Perverted yes, but if you look at the models downloadeds you will find that they have very few downloads and lots of ur a sicko comments. I do not see why people would download these for perverted pleasure.

In case you missed it, the thread author was adressing this request towards BIS, not to some addonmakers. Default Sims does not come with nudes, again it´s user-made content. In the original the scenes are censored out.

We´re talking about 2 completely different set of things.

There is no limit on user-created content, neither can do BIS do much if some whackohead abuses their engine for whatever, but having BIS adding children as official content for Arma is totally different story and of course would be judged by authorities, magazines, shitty TV-journals, etc, etc.

It would be a PR bomb for them that would explode right in their face.

Now if someone is creating kids as a custom addon for whatever reasons, there is nothing to debate about. I for sure, do not need children in Arma. There are so many ways you can "simulate" such for atmosphere reasons (ressources, sounds, etc) that I simply do not need such, nor do I see the relevance of such addon.

If this request from the initial author is now heading towards the addon-request thread for modders it should be taken there.

If the request is still adressed at BIS, maybe a PM to one of the developers can finally get us an answer, while I do think that they will follow a more cautious approach then the way some here suggest.

Keep things apart that are not to be mixed.

[Spoock 3]

I want some women as soldiers (with new animations) and and civilians

[canis lupus 20]

I woud love the horrific atmosphere it would give if there were children arround the battles, all the time we talk about making arma realistic, but a realistic part of a soldiers life is to have to deal with the sight of dead chidlren

about the moral part, if its not okay, then why is the news programs on tv okay?

[dreday 1]

I woud love the horrific atmosphere it would give if there were children arround the battles, all the time we talk about making arma realistic, but a realistic part of a soldiers life is to have to deal with the sight of dead chidlren

about the moral part, if its not okay, then why is the news programs on tv okay?

No offense; but I honestly think that posts like these are written by by either very young children or people with very little life experience. I don't see how anyone else could confuse the pursuit for realism in simulation of military equipment and tactics that many of us share with the desire to relive all the horrors of war.

So look here kids, no responsible software company would release a game that focuses on simulating the later. One day, when you are more emotionally developed, you will understand why this is a terrible idea. For now, you'll just have to take our word for it. It's a bad idea - just like playing with fire or running around with scissors.

Peace,

DreDay

[Bald_Maggot 0]

I woud love the horrific atmosphere it would give if there were children arround the battles, all the time we talk about making arma realistic, but a realistic part of a soldiers life is to have to deal with the sight of dead chidlren

about the moral part, if its not okay, then why is the news programs on tv okay?

No offense; but I honestly think that posts like these are written by by either very young children or people with very little life experience.  I don't see how anyone else could confuse the pursuit for realism in simulation of military equipment and tactics that many of us share with the desire to relive all the horrors of war.

So look here kids, no responsible software company would release a game that focuses on simulating the later. One day, when you are more emotionally developed, you will understand why this is a terrible idea.  For now, you'll just have to take our word for it.  It's a bad idea - just like playing with fire or running around with scissors.

Peace,

DreDay

I have to say that although children in OFP is not something that i feel the game misses at all i find it rather amusing that some people on this forum enjoy a touch of hypocracy...

I dont see what "more emotionally developed" has to do with this idea.

The fact remains that if you are aiming towards a military simulation then these are things that undoubtable would be included if the developer is "allowed" to do such a thing.

It just shows what a confused world we live in at the moment, where the sight of a child doing anything but smiling and playing is stooped in controvercy.

"I don't see how anyone else could confuse the pursuit for realism in simulation of military equipment and tactics that many of us share with the desire to relive all the horrors of war."

This quote i find utterly rediculous and indeed one of the most questionable quotes for a while.  "Relive ALL the horrors of war"?  I think its fair to say that you cant pick and choose what you believe to be the full horror of war.

Simply put; People Die and they can be all types and ages and indeed if this is a military sim where the objective is essentially to kill people using modern weaponary or tactics.

bottom line for me, why do we see child suffering in movies?

I can name plenty of documentrys and films that have these things in them.  What essentially is the difference between this form of "entertainment" and that of a video game?

So basically DreDay, taking the moral highground on a subject such as a "War Simulator" quite frankly does not make any sense to me.

[churnedfortaste 0]

too much 'hypocracy' and 'controvercy' on these forums tbh

[dreday 1]

I have to say that although children in OFP is not something that i feel the game misses at all i find it rather amusing that some people on this forum enjoy a touch of hypocracy...

I dont see what "more emotionally developed" has to do with this idea.

The fact remains that if you are aiming towards a military simulation then these are things that undoubtable would be included if the developer is "allowed" to do such a thing.

It just shows what a confused world we live in at the moment, where the sight of a child doing anything but smiling and playing is stooped in controvercy.

"I don't see how anyone else could confuse the pursuit for realism in simulation of military equipment and tactics that many of us share with the desire to relive all the horrors of war."

This quote i find utterly rediculous and indeed one of the most questionable quotes for a while.  "Relive ALL the horrors of war"?  I think its fair to say that you cant pick and choose what you believe to be the full horror of war.

Simply put; People Die and they can be all types and ages and indeed if this is a military sim where the objective is essentially to kill people using modern weaponary or tactics.

bottom line for me, why do we see child suffering in movies?

I can name plenty of documentrys and films that have these things in them.  What essentially is the difference between this form of "entertainment" and that of a video game?

So basically DreDay, taking the moral highground on a subject such as a "War Simulator" quite frankly does not make any sense to me.

Bald_Maggot,

I really don't want this thread to trun into a discussion on ethics and morality. More so, since you seem to agree that kids have no place in Arma.

However, I will just say that if you consider it hypocritical to differentiate between the depiction the deaths of the armed and dangerous enemies (who are trying to kill you) and and the killing of the unarmed and incocent kids; then we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Peace,

DreDay

[canis lupus 20]

right... we should stop this before we get angry with each other, however I would just like to add that I'm not a kid, and I do have experience, I

have been hunting child pornografi in six years, you can't imagine what horrors I have seen...

perhaps we should turn the conversation in a direction we can agree on, we defenitly need women in arma, at least for the sake of realism, can't think of any country in the world where there's only men...

[dreday 1]

right... we should stop this before we get angry with each other, however I would just like to add that I'm not a kid, and I do have experience, I

have been hunting child pornografi in six years, you can't imagine what horrors I have seen...

perhaps we should turn the conversation in a direction we can agree on, we defenitly need women in arma, at least for the sake of realism, can't think of any country in the world where there's only men...

Agreed. I can't think of any downside of having female civilans in Arma.

Peace,

DreDay

[canis lupus 20]

btw. my internet crashes when I'm in this thread and only in this thread, have no idea why, but someone might wanna have a look

[INNOCENT&CLUELESS 0]

Can we stop that crap? I do not want to see any children in ArmA, even not as subject to protect in a mission, because soon there would be some strange guys virtually starting killing kids for fun.

Usually I am open for everything that is more RL, but here there is a barrier. It is a fact that kids are bot victims and soldiers at the same time in RL and BAS tonal in holy OFP times would add a lot RL if you would fight against 10-20 year old kids wearing AKs. But - you really want to shot at kids? I can wait until it would be necessary in RL, it is early enough.

[klavan 0]

I can already imagine the loads of crap some journalist will put on some TV shows and/or news the moment after the first video with killed 3d model kids will appears on YouTube.......I guess ArmA, and also BIS as a consequence, would be crucified by the media....

And on a personal note I dislike the idea of having childrens ingame.

Klavan

[xnodunitx 0]

Yeap..again this is a perfect example of a- "Just because you can do it does not mean you should do it."

I mean hell, why not just work on soldiers with torso's that can be blown to bits from a tank shell, or maybe even have modelled shrapnel embeddable in soldiers bodies, oh why not also have them appear burned and run around on fire screaming their heads off.

The community could make the stuff however general media does not usually pay attention to such things, if kids are seen being killed in the game, community made or not, the company will most likely take the blame, I for one would rather like to avoid that over nothing more then this. \

Yes it can be even more realistic, but there are certain realistic aspects that should NOT be considered.

[BraTTy 0]

Suppose I shouldn't tell you that I was/am making a child addon for OFP ?

I don't think children should be in a war game either ,this was something totally different.

Was an animation practice.

I have 2 deaf children and my intent is a "sign language interpreter" that could follow my son around and ASL the words and meanings of the game.I had already planned on making the child to not be able to pick up weapons and possibly be indestructible.

This is intended for solely civilian missions and modding OFP to be other than war simulator.

I also didn't plan on releasing it to the public

It will take alot of work to finish but I still plan on doing it.My son would love it and I would further learn the ASL language by making it (my son is advancing me!!!

[mattxr 9]

Just look at the film Blood Dimond. There is lots of kids with guns and they are being shot and it shows this, did this film get banned? no it got praised.

I dont see what all the fuss would be if there were kids in ArmA BIS obevusly had the time to make playgrounds, WTF would the point in that be if then they dont have kids, myabe the addons makers could of put time into something useful instead of something totaly pointless.

I just dont get why some people want to go as far to deny it, OMG they shouldnt be ingame and what not.. well why it adds the atmosphear of relisem. Yes you will get the odd nutter mass Tking them, if thats the case and you dont like it ban his ass, send him some harmfull PM or something but in the end its just a computer game.

i can 100% bet they will be added to the game by BIS or Some Addon maker, say for example someone making a mod on the african conflict. They will have to mod it to make there mod relistic. if they wanted.

And why havnt we got our animals yet??

And what im saying is we should add something that resembles a teenager.

oh and yeah the addon maker could make it so they are unkillable.

[INNOCENT&CLUELESS 0]

@ Bratty: Cool, but make sure that it does not leave your disk, to many sick guys out there...

[Fekin-Detri 0]

Children in ArmA "again"

Some people want them included, others don't.

Some people who don't want them flame others that do want them included as being sick.

Some people really couldn't care less about the matter.

If you really want to know, I mainly fall into the latter.

A thread called "women civilians" a few weeks back turned into a bit of a flame fest when the subject of children were brought up and it looks like it might start again.

Yes having kids in ArmA as well as women would make far more realistic towns and cities, but the mary whitehouse brigade would probably have a fit.

[dm 9]

Seems this topic touches on a lot of nerves.

More input from me:

1. It appears the "mary whitehouse brigade" are already up in arms about it.

2. The technical aspects are fairly easy to overcome if you know what you're doing, so from a techncial standpoint thats a no-brainer.

3. Where do you draw the line? People are more than happy to kill "adult" men all day long, but as soon as women or children are added to the mix its a travesty and shouldn't be possible. So basically, all you people who are against children (or women) in game on the basis that killing them is morally "wrong", value an adult male's life LESS than a child or a womans? Bit of a double standard there if you ask me...

[Zorbtek 0]

I'd like to pop a few kids in the head, plant some bombs under them, hell - why not cluster some together and laser designate a couple bombs to drop on them?  

Of course I'm not going to do that while my baby cousins are watching, or fire a shotgun blast to a womans head while my wife looks on (if I had one),  So whats the big deal?

I really don't understand this whole issue with putting women and children in videogames.  They are not REAL women and children.  Perhaps it's best to get politically involved because we have real women and children dying over in Iraq.  Stop worrying about a videogame.

What I think women should find more offensive is that BIS has placed female voice selection in the Player info on the main screen, without any female faces.  

And, Armed Assault is not like GTA, where you can smash a woman across the face with a bat, have sex with a prostitute in the car and then shoot her with a rocket launcher when you're finished, or run her over with a tank, hop out and proceed to kick her corpse while she's on the ground.

Sure it all sounds terrible, but when you're actually playing it, it's like nothing.

[canis lupus 20]

I have givin it a thought and though I would like the feeling of real horror on the battlefields, I would have to say no to something that could put BIS in a bad light, even if it its not them who made it, they would be blamed and lets face it sooner or later someone will put the wrong screenshot out on the net...

another idea though, I saw this movie some years ago about russians invading the US, can't remember the name, in the movie a group of teenagers picks up arms against the soviets, so maybe a teenage addon would be something...

(if you happen to know what that movie was called, please tell me I would like to see it again)

[dm 9]

(if you happen to know what that movie was called, please tell me I would like to see it again)

Red Dawn

"Wolverines!"

[Fekin-Detri 0]

Red Dawn.

Heh, beat me to it.

I agree that it does seem double standard that killing adult males in video games is seen as a fun pass time but mention about doing it to women and kids and people start convulsing, scrabling for their keyboards to condem you to hell

But, that is exactly what happens unfortunately, some people base what gender you are and how long you have been living on this earth to dictate how much value they seem to hold about your life.

Is it just a mans job to die ?