Quantum physics says goodbye to reality

[karantan 0]

Reality is a representation of our brain about what we see/hear/smell/remember etc. and we are limited in our senses to fully understand the workings of the universe! Our brains have only evolved to cope with the immediate three-dimensional environments that we live in and all of our science is based around this. If you move outside of this environment i.e. go into quantum physics or go the other way and start studying the vastness of space the science that explains most things on earth somehow doesn't work!

In our science everything has a beginning and an ending. Everything has boundaries and can be measured. In quantum physics as in astronomy however, these things fail to make sense as there are can be no boundaries, or if there are what leis beyond and so on!

It's best to just not try and think too much about it, as it will 'do your head in'! Like I said before our brains have not evolved to cope with events which occur outside of our immediate three dimensional environment, so trying to solve problems in quantum physics as with the universe will lead us nowhere but mental!

Just wonderfully putted Red kite, my thouths to the letter ,,, but then in your next posts you get couth into theoretisizing.

Time, space, gravity, all that ,,, does they even exist outside the (puny) human (three dimensional) perception of the (material) world? We humans are full of 'laws' and theories (which is quite natural btw) with which we're trying to define and to explain to ourselves something which is in fact unexplainable to us. The Einsteins' Law of the relativity, the Big Bang theory ,,, With every new and a bit deeper look into what we know and call as Cosmos one (or more) of these 'laws' and theories crumbles into the dust. And of course we're soon replacing them with new, more 'correct' ones ...

Our position in this Cosmos, at which we're gazing with such an admiration, must be lower than the position of the insects in 'our' world. And in our genius brilliancy we'll destroy ourselves before we'll understand and comprehend any of it.

[Journeyman 0]

Reality is a representation of our brain about what we see/hear/smell/remember etc. and we are limited in our senses to fully understand the workings of the universe! Our brains have only evolved to cope with the immediate three-dimensional environments that we live in and all of our science is based around this. If you move outside of this environment i.e. go into quantum physics or go the other way and start studying the vastness of space the science that explains most things on earth somehow doesn't work!

In our science everything has a beginning and an ending. Everything has boundaries and can be measured. In quantum physics as in astronomy however, these things fail to make sense as there are can be no boundaries, or if there are what leis beyond and so on!

It's best to just not try and think too much about it, as it will 'do your head in'! Like I said before our brains have not evolved to cope with events which occur outside of our immediate three dimensional environment, so trying to solve problems in quantum physics as with the universe will lead us nowhere but mental!

Just wonderfully putted Red kite, my thouths to the letter ,,, but then in your next posts you get couth into theoretisizing.

Ha! Ha! Very true! I just find topics like this irresistible though. Best to put this one to bed me thinks!  

Our position in this Cosmos, at which we're gazing with such an admiration, must be lower than the position of the insects in 'our' world. And in our genius brilliancy we'll destroy ourselves before we'll understand and comprehend any of it.

... Also well put and should serve to 'belittle' all of us for what we are!  

[daikan 1]

So the big question is:  ... Is it just a coincidence or is there some superior intelligence gone into all of this and what does that make us? ….. An experiment in some super simulation maybe!  

if the main purpose of this universe is to create consciousness imagine the number of patches necessary to tweak our universe's configuration in order to perform as it should..

after all god is nothing but a game designer and the master plan prolly goes like this:

start - crash - fix - reboot

[daikan 1]

Reality is a representation of our brain about what we see/hear/smell/remember etc. and we are limited in our senses to fully understand the workings of the universe! Our brains have only evolved to cope with the immediate three-dimensional environments that we live in and all of our science is based around this. If you move outside of this environment i.e. go into quantum physics or go the other way and start studying the vastness of space the science that explains most things on earth somehow doesn't work!

i don't think there's any difference between the 'representation' and 'reality'. in fact i think they are one and the same because knowledge is not truth and truth doesn't exist per se. there is only processing of information, which can lead to knowledge, but never to truth.

clear?

[mattxr 9]

This thread makes a good read.. in the end the question will always be "What If"

What If we could see how the universe was created

What If we could see how the universe expands/where it ends

And much much more.. You can only get so far with Science and Technology but in the past 200 years look how much we have really evolved.

[Radnik 18]

Time is illusion...

There is no such time as future, and past!...but...I'll stop at this point couse I would go much deeper .

Now, how can one explain exactly how time passes faster or slower to someone?, in what units?.

Ehough!

[archsceptic 21]

The forward motion of time is relative to the curvature of space-time, which is why, hypothetically, if you had a spacecraft capable of reaching light speed and went on a tour of the local portion of the milky way, travelling at light speed, then arrived back on Earth all your friends and family would be long gone but you would still be alive.

As your spacecraft approaches light speed it would gain so much mass that the curvature of space-time around the spacecraft would increase relative to yourself, so time would pass much more slowly to you aboard, than to someone living in 'normal' space-time back on Earth.

This effect also applies to someone taking a flight on a jet, although to an infinitesimally smaller degree.

[NeMeSiS 11]

The forward motion of time is relative to the curvature of space-time, which is why, hypothetically, if you had a spacecraft capable of reaching light speed and went on a tour of the local portion of the milky way, travelling at light speed, then arrived back on Earth all your friends and family would be long gone but you would still be alive.

As your spacecraft approaches light speed it would gain so much mass that the curvature of space-time around the spacecraft would increase relative to yourself, so time would pass much more slowly to you aboard, than to someone living in 'normal' space-time back on Earth.

This effect also applies to someone taking a flight on a jet, although to an infinitesimally smaller degree.

Sounds interesting, however i dont see what the speed of light has to do with time. If i would go faster then then light then i would probably only see the 'light' which just happens to cross my path, behind me i would probably see nothing. But i dont see why the world around me would age at a different rate then me, the only difference between me and them would be the speed in which we are moving.

[archsceptic 21]

Light-speed is only really a figure of speech for stating that something can, or is, travelling at 186,000 miles per second. as does a particle of light once it has been ejected from a star. It's the velocity that is important, not the light or particles of light inferred. Once again, every action must have an equal and opposite reaction - so when you accelerate up to the speed of light you are gaining mass, when you gain mass the immediate part of space around you curves around that object of mass, then time cannot move forward in a straight line because space-time is curved.

Ultimately, physics at the quantum level are not obliged to make as much sense as physics at the macro level, we are human and carbon chauvinist, and expect things to be just so.

[zwobot 19]

This thread makes a good read.. in the end the question will always be "What If"

Yes, I like this thread too.

What If we could see how the universe was created

What if the universe never has been created?

[karantan 0]

Hm, again some of these (old) theories about space<->time, energy<->mass, gravity<->(curved) space, traveling back into the future  ,,, they're theories opforum, nothing but a theories.

What if the universe never has been created?

Correct Nepomuk, "what if" ,,,  

[kavoven 4]

Because of all this I decided (after being very sure for 4 years) not to study physics... Just read something about the next stage, about the string theory ... it's just mad

[walker 0]

Hi all

Yes they are the best theories (read answer most questions) as to the nature of the universe.

We have advanced quite a bit in the last century or so and we no longer believe the fiction of genesis; which held sway in many Judeao/Christean/Islamic tradition peoples minds until we actually looked and saw it was a totally unsupportable fiction. Nice to have when your less educated and scientifically aware a bit like the Easter bunny or Father Christmas and the stork is for kids.

Evolution as an explanation put paid to genesis. Now we have moved on to more correct theories based on scientific observation of what actually happens. They are theories based on scientific hypothesis and evidense unlike the fictional elements of the old religious tracts. I for one would not go to doctor who thought DNA was a myth.

Quantum theory leads to quantum mechanics which you are using reading and typing in this thread. So anyone who uses the internet or a computer or modern technology of any kind inherently accepts scientific theory over genesis; or they could not even use it. And they certainly could never make such a device or infrastucture as all the laws it uses kick genesis up the theoglical arse.

Kind Regards walkre

[Zorbtek 0]

In my time away from OFP and waiting for ArmA, I have done a ton of looking into metaphysics... and weird Quantum Mechanical stuff for more than a year now... as difficult as it may be to read and understand....

Do I think this world is a fake?  Yes and No.  I think higher dimensions are far more complicated which makes our dimension look comic-book.

A few people I would suggest reading/watching is Jordan Maxwell and a guy named Michael Tsarion who have some pretty interesting things to say.  Don't trust everything they say, but they show you proof of things.

When I hear people like Richard Dawkins come out and say "There is almost certainly no god."  I can't help but laugh.

This guy thinks that with all our little man-made gizmos and measuring devices we can be almost certain there is no god.  At the same bloody time they are pondering about a multiverse in which they cannot see or measure.  Ohh but trust them it's out there.

A great book having to deal with what I deem to be very important is DMT.

If there is a drug that can get your life on track, end your serious addictions, become a better person and live life completely happy and insightful, we're going to make it a U.S. Schedule 1 illegal drug. Then we're going to put Zoloft and all this other crap on the market which makes people murder each other.

This thing we call life and Earth is not understandable, the more you think you know, the more you don't know.

Here is a good video on Atlantis -

http://video.google.com/videopl....tlantis

I could go on and on.  Sure things don't look great here on Earth.  All I care about is what happens after we die, and so far I have read some good news about that.

Quote[/b] ]Leave a sound recorder in the forest near the soon to be falling tree, then after it falls go retrieve the recorder and see if it recorded any sound

Unfortuantely it's more complicated than that... and... a lot... weirder.

Do a google Video search for the Double Slit experiment.

ohh and then there is Schrodinger's cat which you have to read a few times to understand what da FAHCK is going on.

[Spokesperson 0]

Quantum Mech. is reality. And time is what you measure with a clock.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Hi all

Yes they are the best theories (read answer most questions) as to the nature of the universe.

We have advanced quite a bit in the last century or so and we no longer believe the fiction of genesis; which held sway in many Judeao/Christean/Islamic tradition peoples minds until we actually looked and saw it was a totally unsupportable fiction. Nice to have when your less educated and scientifically aware a bit like the Easter bunny or Father Christmas and the stork is for kids.

Evolution as an explanation put paid to genesis. Now we have moved on to more correct theories based on scientific observation of what actually happens. They are theories based on scientific hypothesis and evidense unlike the fictional elements of the old religious tracts. I for one would not go to doctor who thought DNA was a myth.

Quantum theory leads to quantum mechanics which you are using reading and typing in this thread. So anyone who uses the internet or a computer or modern technology of any kind inherently accepts scientific theory over genesis; or they could not even use it. And they certainly could never make such a device or infrastucture as all the laws it uses kick genesis up the theoglical arse.

Kind Regards walkre

Many people have known that for centuries - and even milleniums.